On Monday 21 November 2011 19:12:36 Federico Simoncelli wrote:

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From: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> To: users@ovirt.org Cc: "VDSM Project Development" <vdsm-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:13:20 PM Subject: Re: [Users] ovirt-node on Gentoo

On Monday 21 November 2011 16:00:26 Doron Fediuck wrote:

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On Monday 21 November 2011 14:49:43 Mike Burns wrote:

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On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 07:42 -0500, Ayal Baron wrote:

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Actually we're thinking about NetworkManager, not netcf.

Does NetworkManager have an api or library level package that doesn't pull in all the UI bits? ovirt-node does not currently include NetworkManager packages at all and we don't want to pull anything that is going to pull in X or another UI.

Mike

+1 NetworkManager pulls in gnome, while it's net being used in many cases, especially in servers. As for netcf in Gentoo, there's not substantial support which will make it easy to work with.

Clarifying my cryptic typos- netcf has no proper support in Gentoo. It will be helpful if vdsm takes a more generic approach.

Configuring the network is a difficult task. Taking a more generic approach means facing again the problems that NetworkManager found and resolved in the past.

Do you know any other (mature) project that is trying to fill in the gaps between the network configurations in the various distro? I'm worried that taking a generic approach we'll end up creating a small NetworkManager clone with a smaller scope (usable only for the vdsm tasks).

We could use our effort to improve NetworkManager where it's lacking of functionality/packaging. For example I've been waiting for the bridge support for a long time, I hope to see it soon.

Federico, Since I personally know the one who wrote most of the vdsm-ovirt/rhel integration bugs (not the code, just the bugs...) I'm fully aware of network complexity, and the impact of supporting several distro's. This is exactly why I asked for a /generic/ approach, which will not pull in numerous packages which are distro or desktop-env specific. Having said that, I can tell you that last night I did some more investigations in Gentoo, and I was pleasantly surprised to see the following: emerge -DuNavt --with-bdeps=y --keep-going net-misc/networkmanager These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] net-misc/networkmanager-0.8.4.0-r2 USE="bluetooth ppp -avahi -connection-sharing -dhclient -dhcpcd -doc -gnutls -nss -resolvconf" 1,634 kB [ebuild N ] net-misc/modemmanager-0.4 USE="policykit -doc -test" 435 kB Total: 2 packages (2 new), Size of downloads: 2,069 kB This means that network manager no longer pulls gnome-related packages, which is very good news. If this is the case in other distro's I think we can converge on this solution. I guess we only need some input from Suse / Ubuntu people to see if it works for them as well. -- /d "This message will self destruct in the future. Or not."