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On 03 Feb 2016, at 08:07, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <paul@pazion.nl> = wrote: =20 I checked again and hosted engine still says 4096. =20 I also see "Graphics protocol" says SPICE, but I connect through = VNC=E2=80=A6
that might be similar issue as below, unless it=E2=80=99s an upgrade = from 3.5. in which case bug 1297404 might be relevant for the console part
=20 =20 =20 Op di 2 feb. 2016 om 21:02 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion = <paul@pazion.nl <mailto:paul@pazion.nl>>: Allright. Still old value. I'll keep an eye and report back tomorrow if it is still old value. =20 Op di 2 feb. 2016 om 20:45 schreef Simone Tiraboschi = <stirabos@redhat.com <mailto:stirabos@redhat.com>>: On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion = <paul@pazion.nl <mailto:paul@pazion.nl>> wrote: Hi Simone, =20 I have exactly as you stated, but found maybe a problem/bug. =20 1. I put hosted engine to maintenance and powered it off 2. Changed memory in /etc/ovirt-hosted-engine/vm.conf to memSize=3D8192 3. I restarted both ovirt-ha-agent and ovirt-ha-broker: = /etc/init.d/ovirt-ha-broker restart && /etc/init.d/ovirt-ha-agent = restart 4. I started hosted-engine and turned off global maintenance. =20 The hostedengine webinterface still says 4096MB =20 Now I logged on with ssh and ran the command "free -m" This command shows: Mem: 7870 ... =20 So, I believe my hostedengine was updated, but the webinterface is = showing incorrect values: http://screencast.com/t/Bg5xU0Ja = <http://screencast.com/t/Bg5xU0Ja> =20 Any idea why web interface is not showing correct value under Defined = or Physical memory? =20 You are not the first that reports that: it seams that it's just a = timeout/refresh issue and you have just to wait. Adding Michal here.
=20 =20 Regards, Paul =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Op di 2 feb. 2016 om 09:31 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion = <paul@pazion.nl <mailto:paul@pazion.nl>>: Hi Simone, =20 Thanks! I think I did not restart broker and agent before going out of =
doesn=E2=80=99t sound likely, i would more suspect the import HE 3.6 = feature, adding Roy originally there were no further config updates to external VMs once it = was added maintenance mode.
I will try these steps and let you know. =20 Regards, Paul =20 Op di 2 feb. 2016 om 09:26 schreef Simone Tiraboschi = <stirabos@redhat.com <mailto:stirabos@redhat.com>>: On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion = <paul@pazion.nl <mailto:paul@pazion.nl>> wrote: I am trying to change memory of my hosted engine. I am running oVirt 3.6 with CentOS 6 Hosts with hosted engine on nfs3 =20 We didn't build VDSM and hosted-engine-ha from 3.6 for Centos 6 so = basically your hosts are still with oVirt 3.5. =20 In order to edit the hosted-engine VM on oVirt 3.5, you have to: 1. set global-maintenance mode 2. shutdown the engine VM 3. manually edit /etc/ovirt-hosted-engine/vm.conf on each host = (keeping ti coherent is up to you, take a backup) 4. restart ovirt-ha-broker and ovirt-ha-agent services on each host. 5. exits global maintenance mode =20 Updating to oVirt 3.6 you will be able to edit some parameters of the = engine VM from the engine itself. =20 =20 1. I put hosted-engine to maintenance, shutdown vm 2. update /etc/ovirt-hosted-engine/vm.conf=20 3. restart vm disable maintenance =20 Memory is still old value. How can I change the hosted engine VM? =20 I did found: = http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Hosted_Engine_configuration_on_shared_storag= e = <http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Hosted_Engine_configuration_on_shared_stora= ge> =20 When I check /etc/ovirt-hosted-engine/hosted-engine.conf there is no=20=
"conf_volume_UUID" entry. =20 Do I need to create a shared config volume entry ( conf_volume_UUID ), = so I can edit hosted engine VM? If so, how can this be done? =20 I did try to rerun engine-setup, but this did not trigger anything. =20 Kind regards, =20 Paul Groeneweg Pazion =20 ***disclaimer***=20 "This e-mail and any attachments thereto may contain information which = is confidential and/or protected by intellectual property rights and are = intended for the sole use of the recipient(s) named above. Any use of = the information contained herein (including, but not limited to, total = or partial reproduction, communication or distribution in any form) by = persons other than the designated recipient(s) is prohibited. If you = have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender either by = telephone or by e-mail and delete the material from any computer. 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--Apple-Mail=_61956D60-CF11-45DE-80B6-D8C03D6888BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On 03 Feb 2016, at 08:07, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <<a = href=3D"mailto:paul@pazion.nl" class=3D"">paul@pazion.nl</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I checked again and hosted engine still says = 4096.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I also see = "<span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 21.6667px;" = class=3D"">Graphics protocol</span>" says SPICE, but I connect through = VNC=E2=80=A6</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>that = might be similar issue as below, unless it=E2=80=99s an upgrade from = 3.5.</div><div>in which case bug 1297404 might be relevant for the = console part</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br= class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br= class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Op di = 2 feb. 2016 om 21:02 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <<a = href=3D"mailto:paul@pazion.nl" class=3D"">paul@pazion.nl</a>>:<br = class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"">Allright.<div class=3D"">Still old value.<div class=3D"">I'll = keep an eye and report back tomorrow if it is still old value.<br = class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"">Op di 2 feb. 2016 om 20:45 schreef Simone Tiraboschi <<a = href=3D"mailto:stirabos@redhat.com" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">stirabos@redhat.com</a>>:<br = class=3D""></div></div></div></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at = 8:33 PM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a = href=3D"mailto:paul@pazion.nl" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">paul@pazion.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Hi Simone,<div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have exactly as you = stated, but found maybe a problem/bug.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. I put hosted engine to maintenance = and powered it off</div><div class=3D"">2. Changed memory in <span = style=3D"color:rgb(219,68,55)" = class=3D"">/etc/ovirt-hosted-engine/vm.conf</span><span = style=3D"color:rgb(219,68,55)" class=3D""> to </span><span = style=3D"color:rgb(219,68,55)" class=3D"">memSize=3D8192</span></div> <div class=3D"">3. I restarted both ovirt-ha-agent and = ovirt-ha-broker: <span style=3D"color:rgb(219,68,55)" = class=3D"">/etc/init.d/ovirt-ha-broker restart && = /etc/init.d/ovirt-ha-agent restart</span></div><div class=3D"">4. I = started hosted-engine and turned off global maintenance.</div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The hostedengine = webinterface still says 4096MB</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Now I logged on with ssh and ran the = command "free -m"</div><div class=3D"">This command shows:</div><div = class=3D""><p class=3D""><span class=3D"">Mem: = 7870 ...</span></p></div><div = class=3D"">So, I believe my hostedengine was updated, but the = webinterface is showing incorrect values: <a = href=3D"http://screencast.com/t/Bg5xU0Ja" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://screencast.com/t/Bg5xU0Ja</a></div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Any idea why web interface is not = showing correct value under Defined or Physical = memory?</div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div></div></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">You are = not the first that reports that: it seams that it's just a = timeout/refresh issue and you have just to wait. Adding Michal = here.</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockq= uote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br = class=3D""></div>doesn=E2=80=99t sound likely, i would more suspect the = import HE 3.6 feature, adding Roy</div><div>originally there were no = further config updates to external VMs once it was added</div><div><br = class=3D""></div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D""> <br= class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 = 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Regards,</div><div class=3D"">Paul</div><div class=3D""><p = class=3D""><br class=3D""></p><p class=3D""><span class=3D""><br = class=3D""></span></p></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Op di = 2 feb. 2016 om 09:31 schreef Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <<a = href=3D"mailto:paul@pazion.nl" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">paul@pazion.nl</a>>:<br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Hi Simone,<div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks!</div><div = class=3D"">I think I did not restart broker and agent before going out = of maintenance mode.</div><div class=3D"">I will try these steps and let = you know.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Regards,</div><div class=3D"">Paul<br class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Op di = 2 feb. 2016 om 09:26 schreef Simone Tiraboschi <<a = href=3D"mailto:stirabos@redhat.com" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">stirabos@redhat.com</a>>:<br = class=3D""></div></div></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at = 12:11 AM, Paul Groeneweg | Pazion <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a = href=3D"mailto:paul@pazion.nl" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">paul@pazion.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left= -style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I am trying = to change memory of my hosted engine.<div class=3D"">I am running oVirt = 3.6 with CentOS 6 Hosts with hosted engine on = nfs3</div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div></div></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"">We = didn't build VDSM and hosted-engine-ha from 3.6 for Centos 6 so = basically your hosts are still with oVirt 3.5.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In order to edit the hosted-engine VM = on oVirt 3.5, you have to:</div><div class=3D"">1. set = global-maintenance mode</div><div class=3D"">2. shutdown the engine = VM</div><div class=3D"">3. manually edit = /etc/ovirt-hosted-engine/vm.conf on each host (keeping ti coherent is up = to you, take a backup)</div><div class=3D"">4. restart ovirt-ha-broker = and ovirt-ha-agent services on each host.</div><div class=3D"">5. exits = global maintenance mode</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Updating to oVirt 3.6 you will be able to edit some = parameters of the engine VM from the engine itself.</div><div = class=3D""> </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left= -style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div></div></div><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div = class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left= -style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. I put hosted-engine = to maintenance, shutdown vm</div><div class=3D"">2. = update /etc/ovirt-hosted-engine/vm.conf </div><div class=3D"">3.= restart vm disable maintenance</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Memory is still old value.</div><div = class=3D"">How can I change the hosted engine VM?<br class=3D""></div><div= class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I did found: <a = href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Hosted_Engine_configuration_on_share= d_storage" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Hosted_Engine_configuration_on_sh= ared_storage</a></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">When I = check /etc/ovirt-hosted-engine/hosted-engine.conf there is = no </div><div class=3D"">"conf_volume_UUID" entry.</div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Do I need to create a = shared config volume entry ( <span style=3D"line-height: normal; = white-space: pre-wrap;" class=3D"">conf_volume_UUID ), so I can edit = hosted engine VM? If so, how can this be done?</span></div><div = class=3D""><span style=3D"line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap;" = class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span = style=3D"line-height: normal; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=3D"">I did = try to rerun engine-setup, but this did not trigger = anything.</span></div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"">Kind regards,<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">Paul= Groeneweg<div class=3D"">Pazion</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""> ***disclaimer*** <br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">"This e-mail and any attachments = thereto may contain information which is confidential and/or protected = by intellectual property rights and are intended for the sole use of the = recipient(s) named above. 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