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Dear Doron,<br <br <br I
had the case retested now and I am writing you the results.<br <br
Furthermore, if this information should be useful for you, my
network setup is the following: 2 Layer 2 (Zyxel es2108-g &
ES2200-8) switches configured with 2 VLANs ( 1 inside backbone
network -- added br0 to Ovirt ; 1 outside network -- running on
ovirtmgmt interface for Internet traffic to VMs). The backbone
switch is a gigabit capable one, and each host runs on jumbo frame
setup. There is one more firewall server that routes the subnets
through trunking port and VLAN configuration. The Ovirt software
has been setup with backbone network subnet.<br
<br As you could guess the network infrastructure is not the
problem
here.<br <br The test case was the same as described before:<br <br 1.
Vm running on Hyper01, none on Hyper02. Host had configured the
High Available check box.<br 2.
Hand power off of Hyper01 from power network (no soft/manual
shutdown).<br 3. After a while, Ovirt marks
the Hyper01 as Non Responsive<br 4.
Manually clicked on Confirm host reboot and the VM starts after
Ovirt's manual fence to Hyper01 on Hyper02 host.<br <br I
have provided engine log attached. The Confirm Host reboot was
done at precise time of 21:31:45 On the cluster section, in Ovirt,
I did try changing the "Resilience Policy" attribute from "Migrate
Virtual Machines" to "Migrate only High Available Virtual
Machines" but with the same results.<br
<br <br As
I am guessing from the engine log the Node Controller sees the
Hyper01 node as it has a "network fault" no route to host,
although this was shut down. <br
<br Is this supposed to be the default behavior in this case,
as the
scenario might overlap with a real case of network outage.<br <br
<br My Regards,<br
Alex.<br <br <br
<br On 01/13/2013 10:54 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:<br </div
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<br <hr id=3D"zwchr" <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid
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yle:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font=
-size:12pt;"><b>From:
</b>"Alexandru Vladulescu" <a
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" hre=
f=3D"mailto:avladulescu@bfproject.ro"
target=3D"_blank"><avladulescu@bfp=
roject.ro></a><br <b>To:
</b>"Doron Fediuck" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" hre=
f=3D"mailto:dfediuck@redhat.com"
target=3D"_blank">&lt;dfediuck(a)redhat.com&=
gt;</a><br <b>Cc:
</b>"users" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href=3D"mai=
lto:users@ovirt.org"
target=3D"_blank">&lt;users(a)ovirt.org&gt;</a><br <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 13, 2013
10:46:41 AM<br <b>Subject:
</b>Re: [Users] Testing High Availability and
Power outages<br <br <div>Dear Doron,</div <div><br
</div <div>I haven't
collected the logs from the tests, but I would
gladly re-do the case and get back to you asap. </div <div><br
</div <div>This feature is
the main reason of which I have chosen to
go with Ovirt in the first place, besides other virt
environments.</div <div><br </div
<div>Could you please inform me what logs should I be focusing
on, <span class=3D"Apple-style-span"
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227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77,
128, 180, 0.230469); ">besides the engine log; vdsm maybe
or other relevant logs?</span></div
<div><br <div <div>Regards,</div <div>Alex</div </div
<div><br </div <div><br
</div <div><span
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<div><br On 13.01.2013, at 09:56,
Doron Fediuck <<a href=3D"mailto:df=
ediuck(a)redhat.com"
target=3D"_blank">dfediuck(a)redhat.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br <br
</div <blockquote <div
<div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><br <br
<hr id=3D"zwchr"
<blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16,
255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-st=
yle:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font=
-size:12pt;"><b>From:
</b>"Alexandru Vladulescu" <<a
href=3D"mailto:avladule=
scu(a)bfproject.ro"
target=3D"_blank">avladulescu(a)bfproject.ro</a>&gt;<br <b>To: </b>"users"
<<a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org"=
target=3D"_blank">users(a)ovirt.org</a>&gt;<br <b>Sent: </b>Friday, January 11,
2013 2:47:38 PM<br <b>Subject:
</b>[Users] Testing High Availability and
Power outages<br
<br <br Hi,<br
<br <br Today, I started testing on my Ovirt 3.1
installation
(from dreyou repos) running on 3 x Centos 6.3
hypervisors the High Availability features and the
fence mechanism.<br
<br As yesterday, I
have reported in a previous email
thread, that the migration priority queue cannot be
increased (bug) in this current version, I decided to
test what the official documentation says about the
High Availability cases. <br
<br This will be a
disaster case scenarios to suffer from
if one hypervisor has a power outage/hardware problem
and the VMs running on it are not migrating on other
spare resources.<br
<br <br In the official documenation from <a
href=3D"http://ovirt=
.org" target=3D"_blank">ovirt.org</a> it is quoted the
following:<br <h3>
<span class=3D"mw-headline" id=3D"High_availability"=
<font
color=3D"#333399"><i><small>High availability
</small></i></font></span></h3 <font
color=3D"#333399"><i><small>
</small></i></font <p><font
color=3D"#333399"><i><small>Allows critical VMs
to be restarted on another host in the event
of hardware failure with three levels of
priority, taking into account resiliency
policy. </small></i></font></p <font
color=3D"#333399"><i><small>
</small></i></font <ul <li><font
color=3D"#333399"><i><small> Resiliency
policy to control high availability VMs at
the cluster level.
</small></i></font></li
<li><font color=3D"#333399"><i><small>
Supports
application-level high availability with
supported fencing agents.
</small></i></font></=
li </ul
<br As well as in the
Architecture description:<br <font
color=3D"#333399"><br
<small><i>High Availability - restart guest VMs from
failed hosts automatically on other hosts</i></smal=
l></font><br <br <br
<br So the testing
went like this -- One VM running a
linux box, having the check box "High Available" and
"Priority for Run/Migration queue:" set to Low. On
Host we have the check box to "Any Host in Cluster",
without "Allow VM migration only upon Admin specific
request" checked.<br
<br <br <br
My environment:<br <br <br
Configuration : 2 x Hypervisors (same
cluster/hardware configuration) ; 1 x Hypervisor +
acting as a NAS (NFS) server (different
cluster/hardware configuration)<br
<br Actions: Went and
cut-off the power from one of the
hypervisors from the 2 node clusters, while the VM was
running on. This would translate to a power outage.<br <br
Results: The hypervisor node that suffered from the
outage is showing in Hosts tab as Non Responsive on
Status, and the VM has a question mark and cannot be
powered off or nothing (therefore it's stuck).<br <br
In the Log console in GUI, I get: <br
<br <span
style=3D"color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family:
'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important;
float: none; ">Host Hyper01 is
non-responsive.</span><b=
r <span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family:
'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important;
float: none; ">VM Web-Frontend01 was set to the
Unknown status.</span><br
<br There is nothing I
could I could do besides clicking
on the Hyper01 "Confirm Host as been rebooted",
afterwards the VM starts on the Hyper02 with a cold
reboot of the VM.<br
<br The Log console
changes to:<br <br <span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family:
'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important;
float: none; ">Vm Web-Frontend01 was shut down due
to Hyper01 host reboot or manual fence</span><br <span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 255,
255); font-family:
'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important;
float: none; ">All VMs' status on Non-Responsive
Host Hyper01 were changed to 'Down' by
admin@internal</span><br
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family:
'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important;
float: none; ">Manual fencing for host Hyper01 was
started.</span><br
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family:
'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color:
rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important;
float: none; ">VM Web-Frontend01 was restarted on
Host Hyper02</span><br
<br <br I would like you approach on this problem,
reading the
documentation & features pages on the official
website, I suppose that this would have been an
automatically mechanism working on some sort of a vdsm
& engine fencing action. Am I missing something
regarding it ?<br
<br <br Thank you for your patience reading
this.<br <br <br
Regards,<br Alex.<br <br
<br <br <br
_______________________________________________<br
Users mailing list<br <a
href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank">User=
s(a)ovirt.org</a><br <a
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://lists.o=
virt.org/mailman/listinfo/users"
target=3D"_blank">http://lists.ovirt.org/m=
ailman/listinfo/users</a><br
</blockquote Hi Alex,<br Can you share with us the engine's log from
the relevant
time period?<br <br Doron<br
</div </div </blockquote
</blockquote Hi Alex,<br engine log is the important one, as it will indicate on
the
decision making process.<br
VDSM logs should be kept in case something is unclear, but I
suggest we begin with<br
engine.log.<br <br </div
</blockquote <br =20
</blockquote>Hi Alex,<br>In order to have HA working in host level (which i=
s what you're testing now) you need to<br>configure power management to eac=
h of the relevant hosts (Go to Hosts main tab, right click a host<br>and ch=
oose edit. Now select the Power management tab and you'll see it). In the d=
etails you<br>gave us it's not clear how you defined Power management for y=
our hosts, so I can only assume<br>it's not defined
properly.<br><br>The re=
ason for this necessity is that we cannot resume a VM on a different host b=
efore we<br>verified the original hosts status. If, for example the VM is s=
till running on the original<br>host and we lost network connectivity to it=
, we're in a risk of running the same VM on 2 different<br>hosts at the sam=
e time which will corrupt its disk(s). So the only way to prevent it, is<br=
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From: "Alexandru Vladulescu"
<avladulescu(a)bfproject.ro To: "Doron Fediuck"
<dfediuck(a)redhat.com Cc: "users"
<users(a)ovirt.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013
9:49:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages
Dear Doron,
I had the case retested now and I am writing you the results.
Furthermore, if this information should be useful for you, my
network
setup is the following: 2 Layer 2 (Zyxel es2108-g & ES2200-8)
switches configured with 2 VLANs ( 1 inside backbone network --
added br0 to Ovirt ; 1 outside network -- running on ovirtmgmt
interface for Internet traffic to VMs). The backbone switch is a
gigabit capable one, and each host runs on jumbo frame setup. There
is one more firewall server that routes the subnets through trunking
port and VLAN configuration. The Ovirt software has been setup with
backbone network subnet.
As you could guess the network infrastructure is not the problem
here.
The test case was the same as described before:
1. Vm running on Hyper01, none on Hyper02. Host had configured the
High Available check box.
2. Hand power off of Hyper01 from power network (no soft/manual
shutdown).
3. After a while, Ovirt marks the Hyper01 as Non Responsive
4. Manually clicked on Confirm host reboot and the VM starts after
Ovirt's manual fence to Hyper01 on Hyper02 host.
I have provided engine log attached. The Confirm Host reboot was
done
at precise time of 21:31:45 On the cluster section, in Ovirt, I did
try changing the "Resilience Policy" attribute from "Migrate Virtual
Machines" to "Migrate only High Available Virtual Machines" but with
the same results.
As I am guessing from the engine log the Node Controller sees the
Hyper01 node as it has a "network fault" no route to host, although
this was shut down.
Is this supposed to be the default behavior in this case, as the
scenario might overlap with a real case of network outage.
My Regards,
Alex.
On 01/13/2013 10:54 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alexandru Vladulescu"
<avladulescu(a)bfproject.ro >
> > To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck(a)redhat.com >
> > Cc: "users" <users(a)ovirt.org >
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:46:41 AM
>
> > Subject: Re: [Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages
>
> > Dear Doron,
> >
>
> > I haven't collected the logs from the tests, but I
would gladly
> > re-do
> > the case and get back to you asap.
>
> > This feature is the main reason of which I have chosen to
go with
> > Ovirt in the first place, besides other virt environments.
>
> > Could you please inform me what logs should I be focusing
on,
> > besides
> > the engine log; vdsm maybe or other relevant logs?
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Alex
>
> > --
>
> > Sent from phone.
>
> > On 13.01.2013, at 09:56, Doron Fediuck <
dfediuck(a)redhat.com > > wrote:
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >
>
> > > > From: "Alexandru Vladulescu" <
avladulescu(a)bfproject.ro > > >
> >
>
> > > > To: "users" < users(a)ovirt.org > > >
> >
>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:47:38 PM
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Subject: [Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Hi,
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Today, I started testing on my Ovirt 3.1
installation (from
> > > > dreyou
> > > > repos) running on 3 x Centos 6.3 hypervisors the High
> > > > Availability
> > > > features and the fence mechanism.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > As yesterday, I have reported in a previous email
thread,
> > > > that
> > > > the
> > > > migration priority queue cannot be increased (bug) in this
> > > > current
> > > > version, I decided to test what the official documentation
> > > > says
> > > > about the High Availability cases.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > This will be a disaster case scenarios to suffer
from if one
> > > > hypervisor has a power outage/hardware problem and the VMs
> > > > running
> > > > on it are not migrating on other spare resources.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > In the official documenation from ovirt.org it is
quoted the
> > > > following:
> > >
> >
>
> > > > High availability
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Allows critical VMs to be restarted on another
host in the
> > > > event
> > > > of
> > > > hardware failure with three levels of priority, taking into
> > > > account
> > > > resiliency policy.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > * Resiliency policy to control high availability
VMs at the
> > > > cluster
> > > > level.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > * Supports application-level high availability with supported
> > > > fencing
> > > > agents.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > As well as in the Architecture description:
> > >
> >
>
> > > > High Availability - restart guest VMs from failed
hosts
> > > > automatically
> > > > on other hosts
> > >
> >
>
> > > > So the testing went like this -- One VM running a
linux box,
> > > > having
> > > > the check box "High Available" and "Priority for
> > > > Run/Migration
> > > > queue:" set to Low. On Host we have the check box to "Any
> > > > Host
> > > > in
> > > > Cluster", without "Allow VM migration only upon Admin
> > > > specific
> > > > request" checked.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > My environment:
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Configuration : 2 x Hypervisors (same
cluster/hardware
> > > > configuration)
> > > > ; 1 x Hypervisor + acting as a NAS (NFS) server (different
> > > > cluster/hardware configuration)
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Actions: Went and cut-off the power from one of
the
> > > > hypervisors
> > > > from
> > > > the 2 node clusters, while the VM was running on. This would
> > > > translate to a power outage.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Results: The hypervisor node that suffered from
the outage is
> > > > showing
> > > > in Hosts tab as Non Responsive on Status, and the VM has a
> > > > question
> > > > mark and cannot be powered off or nothing (therefore it's
> > > > stuck).
> > >
> >
>
> > > > In the Log console in GUI, I get:
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Host Hyper01 is non-responsive.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > VM Web-Frontend01 was set to the Unknown status.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > There is nothing I could I could do besides
clicking on the
> > > > Hyper01
> > > > "Confirm Host as been rebooted", afterwards the VM starts
on
> > > > the
> > > > Hyper02 with a cold reboot of the VM.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > The Log console changes to:
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Vm Web-Frontend01 was shut down due to Hyper01
host reboot or
> > > > manual
> > > > fence
> > >
> >
>
> > > > All VMs' status on Non-Responsive Host Hyper01 were changed
> > > > to
> > > > 'Down'
> > > > by admin@internal
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Manual fencing for host Hyper01 was started.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > VM Web-Frontend01 was restarted on Host Hyper02
> > >
> >
>
> > > > I would like you approach on this problem,
reading the
> > > > documentation
> > > > & features pages on the official website, I suppose that this
> > > > would
> > > > have been an automatically mechanism working on some sort of
> > > > a
> > > > vdsm
> > > > & engine fencing action. Am I missing something regarding it
> > > > ?
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Thank you for your patience reading this.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Regards,
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Alex.
> > >
> >
>
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Users mailing list
> > >
> >
>
> > > > Users(a)ovirt.org
> > >
> >
>
> > > > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
> > >
> >
>
> > > Hi Alex,
> >
>
> > > Can you share with us the engine's log from the relevant time
> > > period?
> >
>
> > > Doron
> >
>
> Hi Alex,
> engine log is the important one, as it will indicate on the
> decision
> making process.
> VDSM logs should be kept in case something is unclear, but I
> suggest
> we begin with
> engine.log.
Hi Alex,
In order to have HA working in host level (which is what you're testing now) you need
to
configure power management to each of the relevant hosts (Go to Hosts main tab, right
click a host
and choose edit. Now select the Power management tab and you'll see it). In the
details you
gave us it's not clear how you defined Power management for your hosts, so I can only
assume
it's not defined properly.
The reason for this necessity is that we cannot resume a VM on a different host before we
verified the original hosts status. If, for example the VM is still running on the
original
host and we lost network connectivity to it, we're in a risk of running the same VM on
2 different
hosts at the same time which will corrupt its disk(s). So the only way to prevent it, is
rebooting the original host which will ensure the VM is not running there. We call the
reboot
procedure fencing, and if you'll check your logs you'll be able to see:
2013-01-13 21:29:42,380 ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.VdsNotRespondingTreatmentCommand]
(pool-3-thread-44) [a1803d1] Failed to run Fence script on vds:Hyper01, VMs moved to
UnKnown instead.
So the only way for you to handle it, is to confirm host was rebooted (as you did), which
will
allow resuming the VM on a different host.
Doron
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etica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Alexandru
Vladulescu"=
&lt;avladulescu(a)bfproject.ro&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Doron
Fediuck" <dfediuc=
k(a)redhat.com&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"users"
&lt;users(a)ovirt.org&gt;<br><b>Sent: =
</b>Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:49:25 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re:
[Users] Test=
ing High Availability and Power outages<br><brrebooting the original host which will ensure the VM is not running
there.=
We call the reboot<br>procedure fencing, and if you'll check your
logs you=
'll be able to see:<br><br>2013-01-13 21:29:42,380 ERROR
[org.ovirt.engine.=
core.bll.VdsNotRespondingTreatmentCommand] (pool-3-thread-44) [a1803d1] Fai=
led to run Fence script on vds:Hyper01, VMs moved to UnKnown instead.<br><b=
r>So the only way for you to handle it, is to confirm host was rebooted (as=
you did), which will<br>allow resuming the VM on a different
host.<br><br>=
Doron<br></div></body></html