Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for testing

Tuesday, 31 October 2017

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Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them for 
different proposes.

Fernando

On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali wrote:
...
 As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but not the only one.
You 
 see right click less and less in web applications, as it isn't 
 considered a good user experience. This is also the patternfly 
 guideline (patternfly is a framework we heavily use throughout the 
 application).

 We will however consider bringing this back if there will be high demand.

 Thanks for the feedback!
 Oved

 On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell Budic" <budic(a)onholyground.com 
 <mailto:budic@onholyground.com>> wrote:

     Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will
     miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface,
     but I’m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize
     ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani(a)upx.com
>     <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release
>     is now available for testing
>     *Date:* October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT
>     *To:* users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>
>
>
>     On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:
>>>
>>>     Will the right click dialog be available in the final release?
>>>     Because,
>>>     currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to
>>>     interact with
>>>     object (migrate, maintenance...)
>>>
>>     Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.
>>
>>     Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:
>>     - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and
>>     while its not 100%
>>     there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now.
>>     Mobile devices
>>     don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would
>>     make no
>>     sense.
>     Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile
>     usage is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day
>     operation nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
>     manage their large environments. If having both options where you
>     can switch between then is nice, but if something should prevail
>     should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a Stock
>     Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility
>     and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.
>
>     So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are
>     pretty useful for a day by day and real management usage because
>     of a new trend or buzz stuff.
>     Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will
>     be for quite a while.
>>     - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of
>>     ours and you
>>     can do things like copy from the menu.
>>     - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the
>>     buttons/kebab menu
>>     available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly
>>     used actions as
>>     a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter
>>     the interface.
>>     We traded an extra click for some mouse travel
>>     - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click
>>     menu because its
>>     a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that
>>     was only
>>     available in the right click menu.
>>
>>     Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move
>>     or not. For
>>     now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it
>>     back, it is
>>     certainly possible we will put it back.
>>
>>>>     that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster
>>>>     and better
>>>>     than before.
>>>>
>>>>>     On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>>>>>>     The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of
>>>>>>     the First
>>>>>>     Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to
>>>>>>     be used
>>>>>>     in production.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to
ask
>>>>>>     questions and interact with developers and users.All issues
>>>>>>     or bugs
>>>>>>     should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2].
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version.
This
>>>>>>     release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one
>>>>>>     thousand
>>>>>>     bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity
>>>>>>     fixes, on
>>>>>>     top of oVirt 4.1 series.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       *
>>>>>>             The Administration Portalhas been completely
>>>>>>     redesigned using
>>>>>>          Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web
>>>>>>     application design.
>>>>>>          It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for
>>>>>>     an improved
>>>>>>          user experience.
>>>>>>          *
>>>>>>             There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.
>>>>>>          *
>>>>>>             A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been
>>>>>>     added to the
>>>>>>          New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal.
>>>>>>          *
>>>>>>             Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open
>>>>>>     vSwitch software
>>>>>>          defined networking (SDN).
>>>>>>          *
>>>>>>             oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.
>>>>>>          *
>>>>>>             The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with
common
>>>>>>          administration tasks.
>>>>>>          *
>>>>>>             Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     For more information about these and other features, check
>>>>>>     out the
>>>>>>     oVirt 4.2.0 blog post
>>>>>>     <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/
>>>>>>    
<https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>>;.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le
>>>>>>     architectures for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade
>>>>>>     instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Notes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - oVirt Appliance is already available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Additional Resources:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:
>>>>>>     http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter:
>>>>>>     https://twitter.com/ovirt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog:
>>>>>>     http://www.ovirt.org/blog/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>     <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>
>>>>>>     <https://www.ovirt.org/community/
>>>>>>     <https://www.ovirt.org/community/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     [2]
>>>>>>    
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>>>>>    
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>
>>>>>>    
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt
>>>>>>    
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=oVirt>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>
>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/
>>>>>>     <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>     <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>
>>>>>>     <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/
>>>>>>    
<http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     SANDRO BONAZZOLA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG
>>>>>>     VIRTUALIZATION R&D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     <https://red.ht/sig>
>>>>>>     TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/
>>>>>>     <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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    <p>Question is: who is the user ? There are different types of them
      for different proposes.</p>
    <p>Fernando<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/2017 15:57, Oved Ourfali
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAJ_kCt6q9Q+B-1qVgrUdZwOOeTkuWwLiYUs1bGpeyYoZhpo9HA@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="auto">As mentioned earlier, this is one motivation but
        not the only one. You see right click less and less in web
        applications, as it isn't considered a good user experience.
        This is also the patternfly guideline (patternfly is a framework
        we heavily use throughout the application). 
        <div dir="auto"><br>
          <div dir="auto">We will however consider bringing this back if
            there will be high demand. </div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Thanks for the feedback!</div>
          <div dir="auto">Oved </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 31, 2017 7:50 PM, "Darrell
          Budic" &lt;<a href="mailto:budic@onholyground.com"
            target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=&quot;true&quot;&gt;budic(a)onholyground.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
          wrote:<br type="attribution">
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div

style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Agreed.
              I use the right click functionality all the time and will
              miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile
              interface, but I’m never going to use it for primary work.
              Please prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
                <div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <hr style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df
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                        FERNANDO FREDIANI &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com"
                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send=&quot;true&quot;&gt;fernando.frediani(a)upx.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
                    <span><font style="font:13.0px
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                        [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta
                        Release is now available for
testing</font></span><br>
                    <span><font style="font:13.0px
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                        31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT</font></span><br>
                    <span><font style="font:13.0px
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                          href="mailto:users@ovirt.org"
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                    <br

class="m_-768768173616435518Apple-interchange-newline">
                    <div><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                      <span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">On
                        31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote:</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                      <blockquote type="cite"
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                        <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                          Will the right click dialog be available in
                          the final release? Because,<br>
                          currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right
                          corner to interact with<br>
                          object (migrate, maintenance...)<br>
                          <br>
                        </blockquote>
                        Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose.<br>
                        <br>
                        Long answer: No, here are the reasons why:<br>
                        - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile
                        friendly, and while its not 100%<br>
                        there yet, it is actually quite useable on a
                        mobile device now. Mobile devices<br>
                        don't have a right click, so hiding
                        functionality in there would make no<br>
                        sense.<br>
                      </blockquote>
                      <span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Please
                        don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While
                        mobile usage is nice to have in "certain"
                        situations. In real day by day operation nobody
                        uses mobile devices to do their deployments and
                        manage their large environments. If having both
                        options where you can switch between then is
                        nice, but if something should prevail should
                        always be Desktop. We are not talking about a
                        Stock Trading interface or something you need
                        that level or flexibility and mobility to do
                        static things anytime anywhere.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                      <br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                      <span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">So
                        I beg you to consider well before remove things
                        which are pretty useful for a day by day and
                        real management usage because of a new trend or
                        buzz stuff.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                      <span
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Right
                        click is always on popular on Desktop
                        enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
                      <blockquote type="cite"
style="font-family:FantasqueSansMono-Regular;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">-
                        You can now right click and get the browsers
                        menu instead of ours and you<br>
                        can do things like copy from the menu.<br>
                        - We replicated all the functionality from the
                        menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br>
                        available on the right. Our goal was to have all
                        the commonly used actions as<br>
                        a button, and less often used actions in the
                        kebab to declutter the interface.<br>
                        We traded an extra click for some mouse travel<br>
                        - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a
                        right click menu because its<br>
                        a web interface, and they couldn't find some
                        functionality that was only<br>
                        available in the right click menu.<br>
                        <br>
                        Now that being said, we are still debating if it
                        was a good move or not. For<br>
                        now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of
                        people want it back, it is<br>
                        certainly possible we will put it back.<br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">that is something you
                            are interested in. Its also much faster and
                            better<br>
                            than before.<br>
                            <br>
                            <blockquote type="cite">On 31/10/2017 10:13,
                              Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote type="cite">The oVirt Project
                                is pleased to announce the availability
                                of the First<br>
                                Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of
                                October 31st, 2017<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                This is pre-release software. This
                                pre-release should not to be used<br>
                                in production.<br>
                                <br>
                                Please take a look at our community
                                page[1] to learn how to ask<br>
                                questions and interact with developers
                                and users.All issues or bugs<br>
                                should be reported via oVirt
                                Bugzilla[2].<br>
                                <br>
                                This update is the first beta release of
                                the 4.2.0 version. This<br>
                                release brings more than 230
                                enhancements and more than one thousand<br>
                                bug fixes, including more than 380 high
                                or urgent severity fixes, on<br>
                                top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br>
                                <br>
                                  *<br>
                                        The Administration Portalhas
                                been completely redesigned using<br>
                                     Patternfly, a widely adopted
                                standard in web application design.<br>
                                     It now features a cleaner, more
                                intuitive design, for an improved<br>
                                     user experience.<br>
                                     *<br>
                                        There is an all-new VM Portalfor
                                non-admin users.<br>
                                     *<br>
                                        A new High Performance virtual
                                machinetype has been added to the<br>
                                     New VM dialog box in the
                                Administration Portal.<br>
                                     *<br>
                                        Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds
                                support for Open vSwitch software<br>
                                     defined networking (SDN).<br>
                                     *<br>
                                        oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU.<br>
                                     *<br>
                                        The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage
                                helps users with common<br>
                                     administration tasks.<br>
                                     *<br>
                                        Virt-v2vnow supports
                                Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br>
                                <br>
                                For more information about these and
                                other features, check out the<br>
                                oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br>
                                &lt;<a

href="https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/"
                                  target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/<wbr&g...
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                This release is available now on x86_64
                                architecture for:<br>
                                <br>
                                * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
                                <br>
                                * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                This release supports Hypervisor Hosts
                                on x86_64 and ppc64le<br>
                                architectures for:<br>
                                <br>
                                * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br>
                                <br>
                                * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br>
                                <br>
                                * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64
                                only)<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                See the release notes draft [3] for
                                installation / upgrade<br>
                                instructions and a list of new features
                                and bugs fixed.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Notes:<br>
                                <br>
                                - oVirt Appliance is already available.<br>
                                <br>
                                - An async release of oVirt Node will
                                follow soon.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Additional Resources:<br>
                                <br>
                                * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0
                                release highlights:<br>
                                <a
                                  href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/"
                                  target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr&...
                                &lt;<a
                                  href="http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/"
                                  target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/release/<wbr&...
                                <br>
                                * Get more oVirt project updates on
                                Twitter: <a
                                  href="https://twitter.com/ovirt"
                                  target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://twitter.com/ovirt</a>&l...
                                <br>
                                * Check out the latest project news on
                                the oVirt blog:<br>
                                <a href="http://www.ovirt.org/blog/"
                                  target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ovirt.org/blog/</a>&...
                                <br>
                                <br>
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