Just for clarity on that bug report; are you suggesting that the guest must
go into a paused state to take a snapshot and that the admin shouldn't be
aware of this state?
Although not horribly concerning for most tasks, wouldn't this lead to a 10
second clock skew every time there is a snapshot? Or does the guest sync
from host hw clock on resume?
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:44 AM, Dafna Ron <dron(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 02/04/2014 08:20 AM, Elad Ben Aharon wrote:
> From what I saw in the thread, libvirt pauses the VM, which effects the
> continuity of its operation.
> I checked it also in one of the latest builds of 3.3 and I observed the
> same behaviour:
> 2014-02-04 10:18:29,441 INFO [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo]
> (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-22) [5cbc7ab5] VM nfs2-1
> 86728f5c-3583-420f-9536-bfabaf11b235 moved from Up --> Paused
>
> Dafna, I saw you've already opened a bug on that:
>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1057587
>
just proves I'm getting senile :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dafna Ron" <dron(a)redhat.com>
> To: "Maor Lipchuk" <mlipchuk(a)redhat.com>
> Cc: "Steve Dainard" <sdainard(a)miovision.com>, "Elad Ben
Aharon" <
> ebenahar(a)redhat.com>, "Karli Sjöberg" <Karli.Sjoberg(a)slu.se>,
> users(a)ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 12:15:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] oVirt 3.3.3 RC EL6 Live Snapshot
>
> Maor I am not saying that we are not doing a live snapshot :) I am
> saying that we need a print in the log that states live snapshot command
> was called i.e: Print in the log: LiveSnapshotCommand -> this can call
> to the rest of snapshotVDSCreateCommand.
>
>
> On 02/03/2014 07:38 PM, Maor Lipchuk wrote:
>
>> On 02/03/2014 07:46 PM, Dafna Ron wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/03/2014 05:34 PM, Maor Lipchuk wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/03/2014 07:18 PM, Dafna Ron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maor,
>>>>>
>>>>> If snapshotVDSCommand is for live snapshot, what is the offline
create
>>>>> snapshot command?
>>>>>
>>>> It is the CreateSnapshotVdsCommand which calls createVolume in VDSM
>>>>
>>> but we need to be able to know that a live snapshot was sent and not an
>>> offline snapshot.
>>>
>> Yes, at the logs we can see the all process :
>>
>> First a request to create a snapshot (new volume) sent to VDSM:
>> 2014-02-02 09:41:09,557 INFO
>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.irsbroker.CreateSnapshotVDSCommand]
>> (pool-6-thread-49) [67ea047a] START, CreateSnapshotVDSCommand(
>> storagePoolId = fcb89071-6cdb-4972-94d1-c9324cebf814,
>> ignoreFailoverLimit = false, storageDomainId =
>> a52938f7-2cf4-4771-acb2-0c78d14999e5, imageGroupId =
>> c1cb6b66-655e-48c3-8568-4975295eb037, imageSizeInBytes = 21474836480,
>> volumeFormat = COW, newImageId = 6d8c80a4-328f-4a53-86a2-a4080a2662ce,
>> newImageDescription = , imageId = 5085422e-6592-415a-9da3-9e43dac9374b,
>> sourceImageGroupId = c1cb6b66-655e-48c3-8568-4975295eb037), log id:
>> 7875f3f5
>>
>> after the snapshot gets created :
>> 2014-02-02 09:41:20,553 INFO
>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.CreateAllSnapshotsFromVmCommand]
>> (pool-6-thread-49) Ending command successfully:
>> org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.CreateAllSnapshotsFromVmCommand
>>
>> then the engine calls the live snapshot (see also [1])
>> 2014-02-02 09:41:30,234 INFO
>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.vdsbroker.SnapshotVDSCommand]
>> (pool-6-thread-49) FINISH, SnapshotVDSCommand, log id: 7e0d7872
>>
>> Elad, somewhere in this flow we need to know that the snapshot was taken
>>> on a running vm :) this seems like a bug to me.
>>>
>>>> we did not say that live snapshot did not succeed :) we said that the
>>>>> vm is paused and restarted - which is something that should not
happen
>>>>> for live snapshot (or at least never did before).
>>>>>
>>>> It's not sure that the restart is related to the live snapshot. but
>>>> that
>>>> should be observed in the libvirt/vdsm logs.
>>>>
>>> yes, I am sure because the user is reporting it and the logs show it...
>>>
>>>> as I wrote before, we know that vdsm is reporting the vm as paused,
>>>>> that
>>>>> is because libvirt is reporting the vm as paused and I think that
its
>>>>> happening because libvirt is not doing a live snapshot and so pauses
>>>>> the
>>>>> vm while taking the snapshot.
>>>>>
>>>> That sounds logic to me, it's need to be checked with libvirt, if
that
>>>> kind of behaviour could happen.
>>>>
>>> Elad, can you please try to reproduce and open a bug to libvirt?
>>>
>>> Dafna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/03/2014 05:08 PM, Maor Lipchuk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From the engine logs it seems that indeed live snapshot is
called
>>>>>> (The
>>>>>> command is snapshotVDSCommand see [1]).
>>>>>> This is done right after the snapshot has been created in the VM
and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> signals the qemu process to start using the new volume created.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When live snapshot does not succeed we should see in the log
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> like "Wasn't able to live snapshot due to
error:...", but it does not
>>>>>> appear so it seems that this worked out fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At some point I can see in the logs that VDSM reports to the
engine
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the VM is paused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> 2014-02-02 09:41:20,564 INFO
>>>>>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.vdsbroker.SnapshotVDSCommand]
>>>>>> (pool-6-thread-49) START, SnapshotVDSCommand(HostName =
ovirt002,
>>>>>> HostId
>>>>>> = 3080fb61-2d03-4008-b47f-9b66276a4257,
>>>>>> vmId=e261e707-a21f-4ae8-9cff-f535f4430446), log id: 7e0d7872
>>>>>> 2014-02-02 09:41:21,119 INFO
>>>>>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.VdsUpdateRunTimeInfo]
>>>>>> (DefaultQuartzScheduler_Worker-93) VM snapshot-test
>>>>>> e261e707-a21f-4ae8-9cff-f535f4430446 moved from Up --> Paused
>>>>>> 2014-02-02 09:41:30,234 INFO
>>>>>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.vdsbroker.vdsbroker.SnapshotVDSCommand]
>>>>>> (pool-6-thread-49) FINISH, SnapshotVDSCommand, log id: 7e0d7872
>>>>>> 2014-02-02 09:41:30,238 INFO
>>>>>> [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.CreateSnapshotCommand]
(pool-6-thread-49)
>>>>>> [67ea047a] Ending command successfully:
>>>>>> org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.CreateSnapshotCommand
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Maor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/03/2014 06:24 PM, Dafna Ron wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Steve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from the logs I can see that the create snapshot succeeds and
that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> vm is resumed.
>>>>>>> the vm moves to pause as part of libvirt flows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-02-02 14:41:20.872+0000: 5843: debug :
>>>>>>> qemuProcessHandleStop:728 :
>>>>>>> Transitioned guest snapshot-test to paused state
>>>>>>> 2014-02-02 14:41:30.031+0000: 5843: debug :
>>>>>>> qemuProcessHandleResume:776
>>>>>>> : Transitioned guest snapshot-test out of paused into resumed
state
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are bugs here but I am not sure yet if this is libvirt
>>>>>>> regression
>>>>>>> or engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm adding Elad and Maor since in engine logs I can't
see anything
>>>>>>> calling for live snapshot (only for snapshot) - Maor,
shouldn't live
>>>>>>> snapshot command be logged somewhere in the logs?
>>>>>>> Is it possible that engine is calling to create snapshot and
not
>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>> live snapshot which is why the vm pauses?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elad, if engine is not logging live snapshot anywhere I would
open
>>>>>>> a bug
>>>>>>> for engine (to print that in the logs).
>>>>>>> Also, there is a bug in vdsm log for sdc where the below is
logged
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> ERROR and not INFO:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thread-23::ERROR::2014-02-02
>>>>>>>
09:51:19,497::sdc::137::Storage.StorageDomainCache::(_findDomain)
>>>>>>> looking for unfetched domain
a52938f7-2cf4-4771-acb2-0c78d14999e5
>>>>>>> Thread-23::ERROR::2014-02-02
>>>>>>> 09:51:19,497::sdc::154::Storage.StorageDomainCache::(_
>>>>>>> findUnfetchedDomain)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> looking for domain a52938f7-2cf4-4771-acb2-0c78d14999e5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the engine was sending live snapshot or if there is no
>>>>>>> difference in
>>>>>>> the two commands in engine side than I would open a bug for
libvirt
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> pausing the vm during live snapshot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dafna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/03/2014 02:41 PM, Steve Dainard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [root@ovirt002 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 getStorageDomainInfo
>>>>>>>> a52938f7-2cf4-4771-acb2-0c78d14999e5
>>>>>>>> uuid = a52938f7-2cf4-4771-acb2-0c78d14999e5
>>>>>>>> pool = ['fcb89071-6cdb-4972-94d1-c9324cebf814']
>>>>>>>> lver = 5
>>>>>>>> version = 3
>>>>>>>> role = Master
>>>>>>>> remotePath = gluster-store-vip:/rep1
>>>>>>>> spm_id = 2
>>>>>>>> type = NFS
>>>>>>>> class = Data
>>>>>>>> master_ver = 1
>>>>>>>> name = gluster-store-rep1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Dafna Ron
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>>>>>>>> <mailto:dron@redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> please run vdsClient -s 0 getStorageDomainInfo
>>>>>>>> a52938f7-2cf4-4771-acb2-0c78d14999e5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dafna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 02/02/2014 03:02 PM, Steve Dainard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Logs attached with VM running on
qemu-kvm-rhev packages
>>>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Dafna Ron
<
>>>>>>>> dron(a)redhat.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:dron@redhat.com>
<mailto:dron@redhat.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:dron@redhat.com>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can you please upload full engine, vdsm,
libvirt
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> vm's
>>>>>>>> qemu logs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 02/02/2014 02:08 AM, Steve Dainard
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have two CentOS 6.5 Ovirt hosts
(ovirt001,
>>>>>>>> ovirt002)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've installed the applicable
qemu-kvm-rhev
>>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>>> from this
>>>>>>>> site:
>>>>>>>>
http://www.dreyou.org/ovirt/vdsm32/Packages/ on
>>>>>>>> ovirt002.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On ovirt001 if I take a live
snapshot:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Snapshot 'test qemu-kvm'
creation for VM
>>>>>>>> 'snapshot-test' was
>>>>>>>> initiated by admin@internal.
>>>>>>>> The VM is paused
>>>>>>>> Failed to create live snapshot
'test qemu-kvm'
>>>>>>>> for VM
>>>>>>>> 'snapshot-test'. VM restart
is recommended.
>>>>>>>> Failed to complete snapshot 'test
qemu-kvm'
>>>>>>>> creation
>>>>>>>> for VM
>>>>>>>> 'snapshot-test'.
>>>>>>>> The VM is then started, and the
status for the
>>>>>>>> snapshot
>>>>>>>> changes to OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On ovirt002 (with the packages from
dreyou) I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> get any
>>>>>>>> messages about a snapshot failing,
but my VM is
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> paused
>>>>>>>> to complete the snapshot. Is there
something
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> other than
>>>>>>>> the qemu-kvm-rhev packages that would
enable
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> functionality?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've looked for some information
on when the
>>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> built as required in the CentOS
repos, but I
>>>>>>>> don't see
>>>>>>>> anything definitive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/users/2013-December/
>>>>>>>> 019126.html
>>>>>>>> Looks like one of the maintainers is
waiting
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> someone to
>>>>>>>> tell him what flags need to be set.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, another thread here:
>>>>>>>>
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.ovirt.
>>>>>>>> arch/1618
>>>>>>>> same maintainer, mentioning that he
hasn't seen
>>>>>>>> anything in
>>>>>>>> the bug tracker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a bug here:
>>>>>>>>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1009100that
>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>> to have ended in finding a way for
qemu to
>>>>>>>> expose
>>>>>>>> whether it
>>>>>>>> supports live snapshots, rather than
figuring
>>>>>>>> out how
>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>> the CentOS team the info they need to
build the
>>>>>>>> packages with
>>>>>>>> the proper flags set.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have bcc'd both dreyou
(packaged the
>>>>>>>> qemu-kvm-rhev
>>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>>> listed above) and Russ (CentOS
maintainer
>>>>>>>> mentioned in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> other threads) if they wish to chime
in and
>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>> collaborate on which flags, if any,
should be
>>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> qemu-kvm builds so we can get a
CentOS bug
>>>>>>>> report
>>>>>>>> going and
>>>>>>>> hammer this out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **crosses fingers and hopes for live
snapshots
>>>>>>>> soon**
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 1:26 PM,
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>>>>>>>> <sdainard(a)miovision.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sdainard@miovision.com>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sdainard@miovision.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sdainard@miovision.com>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sdainard@miovision.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sdainard@miovision.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sdainard@miovision.com
>>>>>>>>
<mailto:sdainard@miovision.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would you developers,
speaking for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> oVirt-community,
>>>>>>>> propose to
>>>>>>>> solve this for CentOS _now_
?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would imagine that the
easiest way is
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> you build and
>>>>>>>> host this one
>>>>>>>> package(qemu-kvm-rhev), since
you´ve
>>>>>>>> basically
>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> the source
>>>>>>>> and recipe (since you´re
already
>>>>>>>> providing it
>>>>>>>> for RHEV
>>>>>>>> anyway). Then,
>>>>>>>> once that´s in place, it´s
more a
>>>>>>>> question of
>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>> host the
>>>>>>>> packages, in what repository.
Be it
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> own,
>>>>>>>> or some
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> repo set up
>>>>>>>> for the SIG.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is my view, how I as a
user view
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think this is a pretty valid
view.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would it take to get the
correct qemu
>>>>>>>> package
>>>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> ovirt repo?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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