--Apple-Mail-BEC7796A-D99C-4DBE-B890-89AF12E27C9A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rajat, OK, I see. Well, so just consider that ceph will not work at best in your se= tup, unless you add at least a physical machine. Same is true for ovirt if y= ou are only using native NFS, as you loose a real HA. Having said this, of course you choose what's best for your site or affordab= le, but your setup looks quite fragile to me. Happy to help more if you need= . Regards, Alessandro
Il giorno 18 dic 2016, alle ore 18:22, rajatjpatel <rajatjpatel@gmail.com>= ha scritto: =20 Alessandro, =20 Right now I dont have cinder running in my setup in case if ceph don't wor= k then I have get one vm running open stack all in one and have all these di= sk connect my open stack using cinder I can present storage to my ovirt. =20 At the same time I not getting case study for the same. =20 Regards Rajat =20 Hi =20 =20 Regards, Rajat Patel =20 http://studyhat.blogspot.com FIRST THEY IGNORE YOU... THEN THEY LAUGH AT YOU... THEN THEY FIGHT YOU... THEN YOU WIN... =20 =20
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Alessandro De Salvo <Alessandro.DeSalvo@= roma1.infn.it> wrote: Hi, oh, so you have only 2 physical servers? I've understood they were 3! Wel= l, in this case ceph would not work very well, too few resources and redunda= ncy. You could try a replica 2, but it's not safe. Having a replica 3 could b= e forced, but you would end up with a server with 2 replicas, which is dange= rous/useless. Okay, so you use nfs as storage domain, but in your setup the HA is not g= uaranteed: if a physical machine goes down and it's the one where the storag= e domain resides you are lost. Why not using gluster instead of nfs for the o= virt disks? You can still reserve a small gluster space for the non-ceph mac= hines (for example a cinder VM) and ceph for the rest. Where do you have you= r cinder running? Cheers, =20 Alessandro =20
Il giorno 18 dic 2016, alle ore 18:05, rajatjpatel <rajatjpatel@gmail.co= m> ha scritto: =20 Hi Alessandro, =20 Right now I have 2 physical server where I have host ovirt these are HP p= roliant dl 380 each server 1*500GB SAS & 1TB *4 SAS Disk and 1*500GB SSD. S= o right now I have use only one disk which 500GB of SAS for my ovirt to run o= n both server. rest are not in use. At present I am using NFS which coming f= rom mapper to ovirt as storage, go forward we like to use all these disk as = hyper-converged for ovirt. RH I could see there is KB for using gluster. Bu= t we are looking for Ceph bcoz best pref romance and scale. =20 <Screenshot from 2016-12-18 21-03-21.png> Regards Rajat =20 Hi =20 =20 Regards, Rajat Patel =20 http://studyhat.blogspot.com FIRST THEY IGNORE YOU... THEN THEY LAUGH AT YOU... THEN THEY FIGHT YOU... THEN YOU WIN... =20 =20
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Alessandro De Salvo <Alessandro.DeSalv= o@roma1.infn.it> wrote: Hi Rajat, sorry but I do not really have a clear picture of your actual setup, ca= n you please explain a bit more? In particular: =20 1) what to you mean by using 4TB for ovirt? In which machines and how d= o you make it available to ovirt? =20 2) how do you plan to use ceph with ovirt? =20 I guess we can give more help if you clarify those points. Thanks, =20 Alessandro=20 =20
Il giorno 18 dic 2016, alle ore 17:33, rajatjpatel <rajatjpatel@gmail.= com> ha scritto: =20 Great, thanks! Alessandro ++ Yaniv ++=20 =20 What I want to use around 4 TB of SAS disk for my Ovirt (which going t= o be RHV4.0.5 once POC get 100% successful, in fact all product will be RH )=
=20 I had done so much duckduckgo for all these solution and use lot of re= ference from ovirt.org & access.redhat.com for setting up a Ovirt engine and= hyp. =20 We dont mind having more guest running and creating ceph block storage= and which will be presented to ovirt as storage. Gluster is not is use righ= t now bcoz we have DB will be running on guest. =20 Regard Rajat=20 =20
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 8:21 PM Alessandro De Salvo <Alessandro.DeSal= vo@roma1.infn.it> wrote: Hi, having a 3-node ceph cluster is the bare minimum you can have to make= it working, unless you want to have just a replica-2 mode, which is not saf= e. It's not true that ceph is not easy to configure, you might use very e= asily ceph-deploy, have puppet configuring it or even run it in containers. U= sing docker is in fact the easiest solution, it really requires 10 minutes t= o make a cluster up. I've tried it both with jewel (official containers) and= kraken (custom containers), and it works pretty well. The real problem is not creating and configuring a ceph cluster, but u= sing it from ovirt, as it requires cinder, i.e. a minimal setup of openstack= . We have it and it's working pretty well, but it requires some work. For yo= ur reference we have cinder running on an ovirt VM using gluster. Cheers, =20 Alessandro=20 =20 > Il giorno 18 dic 2016, alle ore 17:07, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com>= ha scritto: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:29 PM, rajatjpatel <rajatjpatel@gmail.com>= wrote: > =E2=80=8BDear Team, >=20 > We are using Ovirt 4.0 for POC what we are doing I want to check wit= h all Guru's Ovirt. >=20 > We have 2 hp proliant dl 380 with 500GB SAS & 1TB *4 SAS Disk and 50= 0GB SSD. >=20 > Waht we are done we have install ovirt hyp on these h/w and we have p= hysical server where we are running our manager for ovirt. For ovirt hyp we a= re using only one 500GB of one HDD rest we have kept for ceph, so we have 3 n= ode as guest running on ovirt and for ceph. My question you all is what I am= doing is right or wrong. >=20 > I think Ceph requires a lot more resources than above. It's also a b= it more challenging to configure. I would highly recommend a 3-node cluster w= ith Gluster. > Y. > =20 >=20 > Regards > Rajat=E2=80=8B >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =20 --=20 Sent from my Cell Phone - excuse the typos & auto incorrect =20 =20 =20
<font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif" size=3D"4" style=3D"background-color:rgb(= 243,243,243)" color=3D"#0000ff"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"tahoma, s= ans-serif" size=3D"4" style=3D"background-color:rgb(243,243,243)" color=3D"#= 0000ff"><br></font></div>Regards,<br>Rajat Patel<br><br><a href=3D"http://st= udyhat.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://studyhat.blogspot.com</a><br>= FIRST THEY IGNORE YOU...<br>THEN THEY LAUGH AT YOU...<br>THEN THEY FIGHT YOU= ...<br>THEN YOU WIN...</font><br><br></div></div></div> <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Alessandro D= e Salvo <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Alessandro.DeSalvo@roma1.inf= n.it" target=3D"_blank">Alessandro.DeSalvo@roma1.infn.it</a>></span> wrot= e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le= ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>Hi,</d= iv><div>oh, so you have only 2 physical servers? I've understood they were 3= ! Well, in this case ceph would not work very well, too few resources and re= dundancy. You could try a replica 2, but it's not safe. Having a replica 3 c= ould be forced, but you would end up with a server with 2 replicas, which is= dangerous/useless.</div><div>Okay, so you use nfs as storage domain, but in= your setup the HA is not guaranteed: if a physical machine goes down and it= 's the one where the storage domain resides you are lost. Why not using glus= ter instead of nfs for the ovirt disks? You can still reserve a small gluste= r space for the non-ceph machines (for example a cinder VM) and ceph for the= rest. Where do you have your cinder running?</div><div>Cheers,</div><div><b= r></div><div> Alessandro</div><span class=3D""><div><br>Il gior= no 18 dic 2016, alle ore 18:05, rajatjpatel <<a href=3D"mailto:rajatjpate= l@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rajatjpatel@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br>= <br></div></span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D= "gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:larg= e;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Hi Alessandro,<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul= t" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0= ,0,255)"><span class=3D"">Right now I have 2 physical server where I have ho= st ovirt these are HP proliant dl 380 each server 1*500GB SAS & 1T= B *4 SAS Disk and 1*500GB SSD. So right now I have use only one disk which 5= 00GB of SAS for my ovirt to run on both server. rest are not in use. At pres= ent I am using NFS which coming from mapper to ovirt as storage, go forward w= e like to use all these disk as hyper-converged for ovirt. RH I could s= ee there is KB for using gluster. But we are looking for Ceph bcoz best pref= romance and scale.<br><br></span><Screenshot from 2016-12-18 21-03-21.pn= g><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans m= s,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Regards<br></div><div class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:l= arge;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Rajat<br></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"m_79061084183831192= 04gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>= <font style=3D"background-color:rgb(243,243,243)" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000f= f" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Hi</font></div><font style=3D"background-colo= r:rgb(243,243,243)" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"= <div><font style=3D"background-color:rgb(243,243,243)" size=3D"4" color=3D"= #0000ff" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font style=3D"ba= ckground-color:rgb(243,243,243)" size=3D"4" color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"tahoma= , sans-serif"><br></font></div>Regards,<br>Rajat Patel<br><br><a href=3D"htt=
<div><br></div><div>1) what to you mean by using 4TB for ovirt? In which ma= chines and how do you make it available to ovirt?</div><div><br></div><div>2= ) how do you plan to use ceph with ovirt?</div><div><br></div><div>I guess w= e can give more help if you clarify those points.</div><div>Thanks,</div><di= v><br></div><div> Alessandro </div><div><div class=3D"m_790= 6108418383119204h5"><div><br>Il giorno 18 dic 2016, alle ore 17:33, rajatjpa= tel <<a href=3D"mailto:rajatjpatel@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rajatjpat= el@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div= <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Great, thanks! Alessandro ++ Yani= v ++ <br><br></div>What I want to use around 4 TB of SAS disk for my Ovirt (= which going to be RHV4.0.5 once POC get 100% successful, in fact all product= will be RH )<br><br></div>I had done so much duckduckgo for all these solut= ion and use lot of reference from <a href=3D"http://ovirt.org" target=3D"_bl= ank">ovirt.org</a> & <a href=3D"http://access.redhat.com" target=3D"_bla= nk">access.redhat.com</a> for setting up a Ovirt engine and hyp.<br><br></di= v>We dont mind having more guest running and creating ceph block storage and= which will be presented to ovirt as storage. Gluster is not is use right no= w bcoz we have DB will be running on guest.<br><br></div>Regard<br></div>Raj= at <br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Dec 18,= 2016 at 8:21 PM Alessandro De Salvo <<a href=3D"mailto:Alessandro.DeSalv= o@roma1.infn.it" target=3D"_blank">Alessandro.DeSalvo@roma1.infn<wbr>.it</a>= > wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0= .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D= "m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><div class=3D"m_7906108= 418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></div><div class=3D"m_79061084183= 83119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Hi,</div><div class=3D"m_790610841838= 3119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">having a 3-node ceph cluster is the ba= re minimum you can have to make it working, unless you want to have just a r= eplica-2 mode, which is not safe.</div><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_= 324330166984056793gmail_msg">It's not true that ceph is not easy to configur= e, you might use very easily ceph-deploy, have puppet configuring it or even= run it in containers. Using docker is in fact the easiest solution, it real= ly requires 10 minutes to make a cluster up. I've tried it both with jewel (= official containers) and kraken (custom containers), and it works pretty wel= l.</div><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Th= e real problem is not creating and configuring a ceph cluster, but using it f= rom ovirt, as it requires cinder, i.e. a minimal setup of openstack. We have= it and it's working pretty well, but it requires some work. For your refere= nce we have cinder running on an ovirt VM using gluster.</div><div class=3D"= m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Cheers,</div><div class=3D= "m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><br class=3D"m_79061084= 18383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></div><div class=3D"m_790610841838= 3119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"> Alessandro </div></d= iv><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail= _msg"><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><br c= lass=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Il giorno 18 dic= 2016, alle ore 17:07, Yaniv Kaul <<a href=3D"mailto:ykaul@redhat.com" cl= ass=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg" target=3D"_blank"= ykaul@redhat.com</a>> ha scritto:<br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324= 330166984056793gmail_msg"><br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_32433016698405= 6793gmail_msg"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"m_790610841838311920= 4m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_3243301= 66984056793gmail_msg"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_32433= 0166984056793gmail_msg"><br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_3243301669840567= 93gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_extra m_7906108418383119204m_32433016698405= 6793gmail_msg"><br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_m= sg"><div class=3D"gmail_quote m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail= _msg">On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:29 PM, rajatjpatel <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D= "m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><<a href=3D"mailto:r= ajatjpatel@gmail.com" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmai= l_msg" target=3D"_blank">rajatjpatel@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clas= s=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><blockquote class=3D= "gmail_quote m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg" style=3D"ma= rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr= " class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><div class=3D= "m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793m_-4293604042961126787m_-815575019= 4716306479gmail_signature m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg= "><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_m= sg"><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">=E2=80= =8BDear Team,<br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg= "><br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">We are us= ing Ovirt 4.0 for POC what we are doing I want to check with all Guru's Ovir= t.<br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><br class= =3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">We have 2 hp prolian= t dl 380 with 500GB SAS & 1TB *4 SAS Disk and 500GB SSD.<br class=3D"m_7= 906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><br class=3D"m_790610841838= 3119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Waht we are done we have install ovirt= hyp on these h/w and we have physical server where we are running our manag= er for ovirt. For ovirt hyp we are using only one 500GB of one HDD rest we h= ave kept for ceph, so we have 3 node as guest running on ovirt and for ceph.= My question you all is what I am doing is right or wrong.<br class=3D"m_790= 6108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></blo= ckquote><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><b= r class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></div><div cl= ass=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">I think Ceph requ= ires a lot more resources than above. It's also a bit more challenging to co= nfigure. I would highly recommend a 3-node cluster with Gluster.</div><div c= lass=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Y.</div><div cla= ss=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"> </div><block= quote class=3D"gmail_quote m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_ms= g" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
<div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793m_-42936040429611267= 87m_-8155750194716306479gmail_signature m_7906108418383119204m_3243301669840= 56793gmail_msg"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_32433016698= 4056793gmail_msg"><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gma= il_msg"><br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></d= iv><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Regards= <br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></div><div c= lass=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Rajat=E2=80=8B</=
--Apple-Mail-BEC7796A-D99C-4DBE-B890-89AF12E27C9A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D= utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>Hi Rajat,</div><div>OK, I s= ee. Well, so just consider that ceph will not work at best in your setup, un= less you add at least a physical machine. Same is true for ovirt if you are o= nly using native NFS, as you loose a real HA.</div><div>Having said this, of= course you choose what's best for your site or affordable, but your setup l= ooks quite fragile to me. Happy to help more if you need.</div><div>Regards,= </div><div><br></div><div> Alessandro</div><div><br>Il giorno 18= dic 2016, alle ore 18:22, rajatjpatel <<a href=3D"mailto:rajatjpatel@gma= il.com">rajatjpatel@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br><br></div><blockquote t= ype=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Alessa= ndro,<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic s= ans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Right now I dont have c= inder running in my setup in case if ceph don't work then I have get one vm r= unning open stack all in one and have all these disk connect my open stack u= sing cinder I can present storage to my ovirt.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gm= ail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;c= olor:rgb(0,0,255)">At the same time I not getting case study for the same.<b= r></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans= -serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def= ault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rg= b(0,0,255)">Regards<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami= ly:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">Rajat<br></d= iv></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gma= il_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font= face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif" size=3D"4" style=3D"background-color:rgb(243,24= 3,243)" color=3D"#0000ff">Hi</font></div><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif" s= ize=3D"4" style=3D"background-color:rgb(243,243,243)" color=3D"#0000ff"><div= p://studyhat.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://studyhat.blogspot.com</= a><br>FIRST THEY IGNORE YOU...<br>THEN THEY LAUGH AT YOU...<br>THEN THEY FIG= HT YOU...<br>THEN YOU WIN...</font><br><br></div></div></div> <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Alessandro D= e Salvo <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Alessandro.DeSalvo@roma1.inf= n.it" target=3D"_blank">Alessandro.DeSalvo@roma1.<wbr>infn.it</a>></span>= wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord= er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div>H= i Rajat,</div><div>sorry but I do not really have a clear picture of your ac= tual setup, can you please explain a bit more?</div><div>In particular:</div= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"= div><br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></div><= /div> </div> <br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">___________= ___________________<wbr>_________________<br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m= _324330166984056793gmail_msg"> Users mailing list<br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmai= l_msg"> <a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166= 984056793gmail_msg" target=3D"_blank">Users@ovirt.org</a><br class=3D"m_7906= 108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"> <a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" rel=3D"noreferrer"= class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg" target=3D"_bla= nk">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman<wbr>/listinfo/users</a><br class=3D"m_790= 6108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"> <br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></blockquot= e></div><br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></d= iv></div> </div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m= _324330166984056793gmail_msg"><div class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166= 984056793gmail_msg"><span class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793= gmail_msg">______________________________<wbr>_________________</span><br cl= ass=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><span class=3D"m_= 7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg">Users mailing list</span><= br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><span class=3D= "m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"><a href=3D"mailto:Users= @ovirt.org" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg" tar= get=3D"_blank">Users@ovirt.org</a></span><br class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m= _324330166984056793gmail_msg"><span class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_32433016= 6984056793gmail_msg"><a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/user= s" class=3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg" target=3D"_b= lank">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman<wbr>/listinfo/users</a></span><br class= =3D"m_7906108418383119204m_324330166984056793gmail_msg"></div></blockquote><= /div></blockquote></div><div dir=3D"ltr">-- <br></div><div data-smartmail=3D= "gmail_signature"><p dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my Cell Phone - excuse the typos &= amp; 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