--Apple-Mail=_226A0167-F20F-4CB7-A36B-CB780B00784B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Dec 6, 2013, at 5:25 AM, Vinzenz Feenstra <vfeenstr@redhat.com> = wrote:
I understand that you're disappointed and we're trying to make our = best to make the user experience better. You should be considering the = age of the project and what we're actually already providing. Yes not = everything is perfect, but we're working hard on improving it. We're working in a collaborative way together with the community, if = you're missing something, there's always the possibility to help out. = Even if you're not a programmer you can help improving the experience.
Bob pretty much said it all for me already=85I=92m not so much as = disappointed in ovirt development as I am the marketing of it. ovirt is = being marketed as an ESXi replacement when it surely isn=92t. Probably = 90%+ of what ESXi is used for is virtualizing Windows. Give ovirt in = it=92s current form to a typical Windows user and they=92ll self = destruct. The first issue with the agents as I can=92t even find any documentation = on what agents really need installing, and what features I=92m getting = with that agent! Another thing is, I would think that Fedora would be integrated enough = with ovirt that it would be able to automatically detect it=92s running = on ovirt and install all the required agents automatically. I forgot my number 5) BIOS needs to work like a standard PC BIOS (as = does ESXi) in allowing you to press F8 to get a boot menu or F12 for = network boot. This run once stuff is silly. It works fine the first = time I create a VM as there=92s no bootable OS on the datastore, but if = I need to re-PXE boot a VM, then I have to Run Once..OK, fine, but when = the PXE completes it reboots, back into network boot, then I have to = kill the VM and restart it normally. Under a PC (or ESXi) BIOS, I just = hit F12, network boot, OS re-installs, then reboots normally. Much = better user experience. I gave our Red Hat sales people feedback on = this issue and was told it=92s not going to change.=20= --Apple-Mail=_226A0167-F20F-4CB7-A36B-CB780B00784B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On Dec 6, 2013, at 5:25 AM, Vinzenz = Feenstra <<a = href=3D"mailto:vfeenstr@redhat.com">vfeenstr@redhat.com</a>> = wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">I = understand that you're disappointed and we're trying to make our best to = make the user experience better. You should be considering the age of = the project and what we're actually already providing. Yes not = everything is perfect, but we're working hard on improving it.<br>We're = working in a collaborative way together with the community, if you're = missing something, there's always the possibility to help out. Even if = you're not a programmer you can help improving the = experience.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Bob pretty much = said it all for me already=85I=92m not so much as disappointed in ovirt = development as I am the marketing of it. ovirt is being marketed = as an ESXi replacement when it surely isn=92t. Probably 90%+ of = what ESXi is used for is virtualizing Windows. Give ovirt in it=92s = current form to a typical Windows user and they=92ll self = destruct.</div><div><br></div><div>The first issue with the agents as I = can=92t even find any documentation on what agents really need = installing, and what features I=92m getting with that = agent!</div><div><br></div><div>Another thing is, I would think that = Fedora would be integrated enough with ovirt that it would be able to = automatically detect it=92s running on ovirt and install all the = required agents automatically.</div><div><br></div><div>I forgot my = number 5) BIOS needs to work like a standard PC BIOS (as does = ESXi) in allowing you to press F8 to get a boot menu or F12 for network = boot. This run once stuff is silly. It works fine the first = time I create a VM as there=92s no bootable OS on the datastore, but if = I need to re-PXE boot a VM, then I have to Run Once..OK, fine, but when = the PXE completes it reboots, back into network boot, then I have to = kill the VM and restart it normally. Under a PC (or ESXi) BIOS, I = just hit F12, network boot, OS re-installs, then reboots normally. = Much better user experience. I gave our Red Hat sales = people feedback on this issue and was told it=92s not going to = change. </div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_226A0167-F20F-4CB7-A36B-CB780B00784B--