[ovirt-users] Re: Is there a plan for ovirt 4.5 and furture versions?

On 26. 1. 2021, at 9:04, Sandro Bonazzola <sbonazzo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: Il giorno lun 25 gen 2021 alle ore 20:00 Thomas Hoberg <thomas(a)hoberg.net <mailto:thomas@hoberg.net>> ha scritto: To your question "Is it worth building a new virtualization platform based on ovirt?" Sandro answered "currently there's no change in the Red Hat's support of the oVirt project". That may technically be true, but it doesn't really answer your question, I'd believe. oVirt is a management layer which has carried the motto "oVirt is a free open-source virtualization solution for your entire enterprise" on its head page for years. In my experience oVirt hasn't been nearly ready and stable enough to run an enterprise workload, unless you are ready to maintain a fully redundant team of engineers to do QA on all your use cases. The CentOS base, however, has been enterprise quality, just as good as RHEL without the extra hassle of registration servers: I don't think we ever rolled back an update in over 10 years because it broke any of our workloads. And that was including OpenVZ on dozens of machines and thousands of containers. With oVirt 4.3 and CentOS 7 you knew which part you could trust and where to look for errors (I found more than I believed possible). With the de-facto elimination of CentOS as a functional RHEL clone, oVirt 4.4 becomes upstream-on-upstream and you know how fault probabilities don't add but *multiply* when you combine them. With that you now need three QA teams, one for CentOS-Stream, one for oVirt and another for the integration. Not even oVirt 4.4 on RHEL 8 will be a proper choice, because that combination is also no longer a part of what little test automation oVirt receives.

We expect CentOS Stream to be the preferred upstream platform on which oVirt should be run but I don't see why it shouldn't run on RHEL or on any RHEL rebuild. Only RHV on RHEL will be properly tested and CentOS/oVirt as a dev/QA/home/hobby ramp to RHV/RHEL is lost. And CentOS 8 seems to decay before they even switch to upstream. I've just done an update on my single-node HCI oVirt 4.4 infrastructure the other day, which installed a new kernel on the host (4.18.0-240.10.1.el8_3 vs. 4.18.0-193.19.1.el8_2). It turns out that kernel broke VDO because of kernel/library mismatch caused by repository issues you'd need to manually resolve, while VDO is a key ingredient to the HCI stack (error #1). VDO is still treated as an "external" contribution I don't know how many years after the aquisition. So on top of the mismatching userland and kernel versions, the VDO module isn't signed (error #2), which can throw a wrench in your system if e.g. after a BIOS update your system is reset to secure boot. Error #1 should show on RHEL, too, unless CentOS is no longer downstream of RHEL already, while error #2 indicates that the CentOS process is broken because VDO is only signed for RHEL. In other words, the "enterprise quality" of CentOS is already going up in smoke, while CentOS8 isn't yet officially dead. I might count myself lucky, that I haven't done the oVirt 4.4 migration of my HCI clusters yet, mostly beacuse it's far from seamless, extremely risky and very disruptive.

Now I just won't do that because oVirt 4.4/CentOS 8 is EOL this year, while CentOS 7 still has a couple of years left. By then, I'll hopefully have found a new home for the non-production workloads I manage. My hope of replacing the VMware production environment with a combination of oVirt and RHV has been erased: My confidence that IBM will let oVirt will survive another ten years is practically zero. oVirt is a community project which already has several forks and downstreams. Whatever may or may not happen in ten years, nothing will prevent the community to keep oVirt project going on as for any other community opensource project. Redhat should know that nothing is as important as the size of the user base for software to survive. oVirt/RHV's biggest chance would lie in everybody building their home clusters using 3-node HCI running on Raspberry PI 4 nodes or Atoms... with seamless K8 integration. OpenEuler Virtualization SIG was working on this, and contributions to make this happen are welcome. I would be happy to see oVirt running on RPI4 or Atoms. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users-leave@ovirt.org> Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html <https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html> oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/> List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/DUCWZ6N34ZM... <https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/DUCWZ6N34ZM... -- Sandro Bonazzola MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA R&D RHV Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/> sbonazzo(a)redhat.com <mailto:sbonazzo@redhat.com> <https://www.redhat.com/> Red Hat respects your work life balance. Therefore there is no need to answer this email out of your office hours. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/4JYE5LIH3UN...