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------=_Part_17968748_1116807764.1492593713626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi yaniv,=20 Thanks for your response. My answers below.=20 cordialement, regards,=20 =09Nelson LAMEIRAS=20 Ing=C3=A9nieur Syst=C3=A8mes et R=C3=A9seaux / Systems and Networks enginee= r=20 Tel: +33 5 32 09 09 70=20 nelson.lameiras@lyra-network.com=20 www.lyra-network.com | www.payzen.eu=20 =09 =09 =09 Lyra Network, 109 rue de l'innovation, 31670 Lab=C3=A8ge, FRANCE=20 From: "Yaniv Kaul" <ykaul@redhat.com>=20 To: "Nelson Lameiras" <nelson.lameiras@lyra-network.com>=20 Cc: "ovirt users" <users@ovirt.org>=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:13:27 AM=20 Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] massive simultaneous vms migrations ?=20 On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Nelson Lameiras < nelson.lameiras@lyra-net= work.com > wrote:=20 hello,=20 When putting a host on "maintenance mode", all vms start migrating to other= hosts.=20 We have some hosts that have 60 vms. So this will create a 60 vms migrating= simultaneously.=20 Some vms are under so much heavy loads that migration fails often (our gues= s is that massive simultaneous migrations does not help migration convergen= ce) - even with "suspend workload if needed" migraton policy.=20 - Does oVirt really launches 60 simultaneous migrations or is there a queui= ng system ?=20 - If there is a queuing system, is there a way to configure a maximum numbe= r of simultaneous migrations ?=20 I did see a "migration bandwidth limit", but this is quite what we are look= ing for.=20 What migration policy are you using?=20 -- "suspend workkiad if needed"=20 Are you using a dedicated migration network, or the ovirtmgmt network?=20 -- ovirtmgmt network=20 BQ_BEGIN my setup:=20 ovirt-engine +hosted engine 4.1.1=20 hosts : centos 7.3 fully updated.=20 for full context to understand this question : 2 times in the past, when tr= ying to put a host in maintenance, host stopped responding during massive m= igrations and was fenced by engine. It's still unclear why host stopped res= ponding, but we think that migrating 60+ vms simultaneously puts a heavy st= rain on storage ? So we would like to better control migration process in o= rder to better understand what's happening. This scenario is "production on= ly" since our labs do not contain nearly as much vm with such heavy loads. = So rather than trying to reproduce, we are trying to avoid ;)=20 BQ_END If you could open a bug with relevant logs on the host not responding, that= 'd be great.=20 -- Too late, we made the "precipitaded" mistake of reinstalling server (bea= use of other reasons), so all traces are lost. Next time I will make sure t= o keep traces.=20 Live migration doesn't touch the storage (disks re not moving anywhere), bu= t it does stress the network. I doubt it, but perhaps you over-saturate the= ovirtmgmt network.=20 -- This makes sens. It's a long shot though. Maybe it would be possible to = create a VLAN dedicated to migrations in same physical network et use QOS t= o reserve always some bandwith to oVirt administration ? (maybe opening can= of worms here....)=20 Y.=20 BQ_BEGIN cordialement, regards,=20 =09Nelson LAMEIRAS=20 Ing=C3=A9nieur Syst=C3=A8mes et R=C3=A9seaux / Systems and Networks enginee= r=20 Tel: +33 5 32 09 09 70=20 nelson.lameiras@lyra-network.com=20 www.lyra-network.com | www.payzen.eu=20 =09 =09 =09 Lyra Network, 109 rue de l'innovation, 31670 Lab=C3=A8ge, FRANCE=20 _______________________________________________=20 Users mailing list=20 Users@ovirt.org=20 http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users=20 BQ_END ------=_Part_17968748_1116807764.1492593713626 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_17968749_723979428.1492593713626" ------=_Part_17968749_723979428.1492593713626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s= ize: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi yaniv,<br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus= =3D"1"></div><div>Thanks for your response. 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So this will create a 60 vms migrating simultaneously.<br></div><div>= Some vms are under so much heavy loads that migration fails often (our gues= s is that massive simultaneous migrations does not help migration convergen= ce) - even with "suspend workload if needed" migraton policy.<br></div><br>= <div>- Does oVirt really launches 60 simultaneous migrations or is there a = queuing system ?<br></div><div>- If there is a queuing system, is there a w= ay to configure a maximum number of simultaneous migrations ?<br></div><br>= <div>I did see a "migration bandwidth limit", but this is quite what we are= looking for.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>What migration pol= icy are you using? <br></div><div> -- "suspend workkiad if needed"<br= data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Are you using a dedicated migration networ= k, or the ovirtmgmt network?</div><div> -- ovirtmgmt network<br= ></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></= div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef= t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,hel= vetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><br><div>my setup:<br></div= ><div>ovirt-engine +hosted engine 4.1.1<br></div><div>hosts : centos 7.3 fu= lly updated.<br></div><br><div><div>for full context to understand this que= stion : 2 times in the past, when trying to put a host in maintenance, host= stopped responding during massive migrations and was fenced by engine. It'= s still unclear why host stopped responding, but we think that migrating 60= + vms simultaneously puts a heavy strain on storage ? So we would like to b= etter control migration process in order to better understand what's happen= ing. This scenario is "production only" since our labs do not contain nearl= y as much vm with such heavy loads. So rather than trying to reproduce, we = are trying to avoid ;)<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>If = you could open a bug with relevant logs on the host not responding, that'd = be great.</div><div> -- Too late, we made the "precipitaded" mistake = of reinstalling server (beause of other reasons), so all traces are lost. N= ext time I will make sure to keep traces.<br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><di= v>Live migration doesn't touch the storage (disks re not moving anywhere), = but it does stress the network. I doubt it, but perhaps you over-saturate t= he ovirtmgmt network.</div><div> -- This makes sens. It's a long shot= though. Maybe it would be possible to create a VLAN dedicated to migration= s in same physical network et use QOS to reserve always some bandwith to oV= irt administration ? (maybe opening can of worms here....) <br data-mce-bog= us=3D"1"></div><div>Y.</div><div> </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"= ><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;c= olor:#000000"><div><br><div>cordialement, regards,</div><br><table style=3D= "margin:0px;table-layout:fixed;border:none;width:345pt;padding:0px" width= =3D"460" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td st= yle=3D"margin:0;font-size:11px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:#2b3c7a;l= ine-height:16px;width:86.25pt;text-align:left" width=3D"115" valign=3D"top"= ><a href=3D"https://www.lyra-network.com/" style=3D"border:none;text-decora= tion:none;width:100%;display:block;clear:both" target=3D"_blank"><img src= =3D"cid:5610d659091be91322f0555c608bacb8b7ef1b77@zimbra" alt=3D"" width=3D"= 115" height=3D"94" border=3D"0"></a><br></td><td style=3D"margin:0;font-siz= 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