Le 10 mai 2017 =C3=A0 08:21, Oved Ourfali <oourfali@redhat.com> a = =C3=A9crit : =20 =20 =20 On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Fabrice Bacchella = <fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr <mailto:fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr>> = wrote: I'm whining because ovirt is a wonderful product, peoples behind are = nice, but ho boy, what about the execution ! =20 =20 I couldn't agree more with James here. It is good to whine, complain, and seek for improvements. We all want = a better project! However, there are pleasant ways to express your thoughts and = concerns. You seem to choose unpleasant ones, which are also = unproductive and insulting to others. That can result in people not taking your thoughts and concerns in a = serious way, as it is just unpleasant for them to read and reply to. I remember someone already sent you the community code of conduct [1]. = I suggest you read that again before sharing your next post with us. =20 Oved =20 [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ = <https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/> =20 And no I have done much more than empty complains as I have open my = share a bug report, written a blog entry about using ovirt+kerberos+SSO, = written a full fledged CLI and trying to finished the SDK. So I'm not = just complaining. =20
Le 9 mai 2017 =C3=A0 22:28, James Michels = <karma.sometimes.hurts@gmail.com = <mailto:karma.sometimes.hurts@gmail.com>> a =C3=A9crit : =20 Seriously, what's wrong with you? I've being reading your comments = for some time and the only things I see are whining, unproductive = complaining and disrespectful comments. =20 Please, stop it. There are tons of ways to say something, and the way = you use is insulting for dozens of people developing this project. Most =
--Apple-Mail=_6EF264BF-468F-4E40-9226-B2A9C0F8D42C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'm might be saying things in a harsh way, but there is a real big = problem with public documentation at ovirt, especially the latest python = sdk. I'm coding a python wrapper around the sdk4 and fighting a lot with = documentation.=20 First I tried to google: ovirt python sdk4 ovirt python sdk 4 ovirt rest api 4 I was finally given http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/master, but = http://ovirt.github.io returns a 404, the sdk is hidden under = http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/, a mini-site that is barely = usable, as it very hard to navigate between page. For example, when = you're at : = http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/master/version.m.html, how do = you go to the first page ? If I try to gogle the title of this page, I found = http://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/infra/python-sdk/= as first result and it's even not in the first page of results . Or you can have a look at = https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_virtualization/4.1/h= tml-single/python_sdk_guide/, that talks only about v3 sdk, which is = deprecated. The python sdk change log: http://www.ovirt.org/develop/sdk/python-sdk-changelog/ At pypi, no links to the sdk documentation https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ovirt-engine-sdk-python I requested the events codes, I was given that: = https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-engine/blob/master/backend/manager/modules/= common/src/main/java/org/ovirt/engine/core/common/AuditLogType.java#L726 Is there a formal list somewhere ? people here are seeking help and/or trying to be useful aiding others in = what they can. If you don't like oVirt or you have that much complains = maybe you should start your project yourself and do things like you = consider they should be done.
=20 James =20 2017-05-09 15:59 GMT+01:00 Fabrice Bacchella = <fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr <mailto:fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr>>: The documentation is alway a good laugh at ovirt. Look for RHEL = instead. =20
Le 9 mai 2017 =C3=A0 16:13, Juan Pablo <pablo.localhost@gmail.com = <mailto:pablo.localhost@gmail.com>> a =C3=A9crit : =20 Team, Is just me or the documentation pages are not being updated ? = many are outdated.. how can we collaborate?=20 =20 whats up with http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/admin-guide/ = <http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/admin-guide/> ? =20 regards, JP _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users = <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users> =20 =20
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<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">At pypi, no links = to the sdk documentation</div><div class=3D""><a =
--Apple-Mail=_6EF264BF-468F-4E40-9226-B2A9C0F8D42C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">I'm might be saying things in a harsh way, = but there is a real big problem with public documentation at ovirt, = especially the latest python sdk.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I'm coding a python wrapper around the = sdk4 and fighting a lot with documentation. </div><div class=3D""><br= class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">First I tried to google:</div><div = class=3D"">ovirt python sdk4</div><div class=3D"">ovirt python sdk = 4</div><div class=3D"">ovirt rest api 4</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I was finally given <a = href=3D"http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/master" = class=3D"">http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/master</a>, but <a = href=3D"http://ovirt.github.io" class=3D"">http://ovirt.github.io</a> = returns a 404, the sdk is hidden under <a = href=3D"http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/" = class=3D"">http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/</a>, a mini-site = that is barely usable, as it very hard to navigate between page. For = example, when you're at : <a = href=3D"http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/master/version.m.html" = class=3D"">http://ovirt.github.io/ovirt-engine-sdk/master/version.m.html</= a>, how do you go to the first page ?</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If I try to gogle the title of this = page, I found <a = href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/infra/pyt= hon-sdk/" = class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/infra/= python-sdk/</a> as first result and it's even not in the first page of = results .</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Or = you can have a look at <a = href=3D"https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_virtualizati= on/4.1/html-single/python_sdk_guide/" = class=3D"">https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_virtualiz= ation/4.1/html-single/python_sdk_guide/</a>, that talks only about v3 = sdk, which is deprecated.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">The python sdk change log:</div><div class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/develop/sdk/python-sdk-changelog/" = class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/develop/sdk/python-sdk-changelog/</a></div= href=3D"https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ovirt-engine-sdk-python" = class=3D"">https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ovirt-engine-sdk-python</a></div><= div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I requested the = events codes, I was given that:</div><div class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-engine/blob/master/backend/manager/= modules/common/src/main/java/org/ovirt/engine/core/common/AuditLogType.jav= a#L726" = class=3D"">https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-engine/blob/master/backend/manag= er/modules/common/src/main/java/org/ovirt/engine/core/common/AuditLogType.= java#L726</a></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Is= there a formal list somewhere ?</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">Le 10 mai 2017 =C3=A0 08:21, Oved Ourfali = <<a href=3D"mailto:oourfali@redhat.com" = class=3D"">oourfali@redhat.com</a>> a =C3=A9crit :</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br= class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Fabrice = Bacchella<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><span = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a href=3D"mailto:fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr" = target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr</a>></span><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br = class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; = border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">I'm whining because ovirt is = a wonderful product, peoples behind are nice, but ho boy, what about the = execution !<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I couldn't agree more = with James here.</div><div class=3D"">It is good to whine, complain, and = seek for improvements. We all want a better project!</div><div = class=3D"">However, there are pleasant ways to express your thoughts and = concerns. You seem to choose unpleasant ones, which are also = unproductive and insulting to others.</div><div class=3D"">That can = result in people not taking your thoughts and concerns in a serious way, = as it is just unpleasant for them to read and reply to.</div><div = class=3D"">I remember someone already sent you the community code of = conduct [1]. I suggest you read that again before sharing your next post = with us.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Oved<br= class=3D""></div><div class=3D""> </div><div class=3D"">[1] <a = href=3D"https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/" = class=3D"">https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/</a>= </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; = border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: = rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word;" class=3D""><div class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">And no I = have done much more than empty complains as I have open my share a bug = report, written a blog entry about using ovirt+kerberos+SSO, written a = full fledged CLI and trying to finished the SDK. So I'm not just = complaining.</div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail-h5"><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">Le 9 mai 2017 =C3=A0 22:28, James Michels = <<a href=3D"mailto:karma.sometimes.hurts@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">karma.sometimes.hurts@gmail.<wbr class=3D"">com</a>> a = =C3=A9crit :</div><br = class=3D"gmail-m_5139079229713401712Apple-interchange-newline"><div = class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Seriously, what's wrong with you? = I've being reading your comments for some time and the only things I see = are whining, unproductive complaining and disrespectful comments.<div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Please, stop it. There = are tons of ways to say something, and the way you use is insulting for = dozens of people developing this project. Most people here are seeking = help and/or trying to be useful aiding others in what they can. If you = don't like oVirt or you have that much complains maybe you should start = your project yourself and do things like you consider they should be = done.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">James<br = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_quote">2017-05-09 15:59 GMT+01:00 Fabrice Bacchella<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D""><<a href=3D"mailto:fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr" = target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr</a>></span>:<br = class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; = border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div = style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D"">The documentation is alway a = good laugh at ovirt. Look for RHEL instead.<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail-m_5139079229713401712h5"><div class=3D"">Le= 9 mai 2017 =C3=A0 16:13, Juan Pablo <<a = href=3D"mailto:pablo.localhost@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">pablo.localhost@gmail.com</a>> a =C3=A9crit :</div><br = class=3D"gmail-m_5139079229713401712m_8030520292843597762Apple-interchange= -newline"></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail-m_5139079229713401712h5"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D"">Team, Is just me or the documentation pages = are not being updated ? many are outdated.. how can we collaborate?<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">whats up with<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/admin-guide/" target=3D"_blank"= class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/documenta<wbr = class=3D"">tion/admin-guide/</a><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>?<br class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div>regards,<br class=3D""></div>JP<br = class=3D""></div></div></div>______________________________<wbr = class=3D"">_________________<br class=3D"">Users mailing list<br = class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">Users@ovirt.org</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman<wbr = class=3D"">/listinfo/users</a><br class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D"">______________________________<wbr = class=3D"">_________________<br class=3D"">Users mailing list<br = class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">Users@ovirt.org</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" rel=3D"noreferrer" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman<wbr = class=3D"">/listinfo/users</a><br class=3D""><br = class=3D""></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></div>______________________________<wbr = class=3D"">_________________<br class=3D"">Users mailing list<br = class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">Users@ovirt.org</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://lists.ovirt.org/<wbr = class=3D"">mailman/listinfo/users</a><br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></div></div><br = class=3D"">______________________________<wbr = class=3D"">_________________<br class=3D"">Users mailing list<br = class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" = class=3D"">Users@ovirt.org</a><br class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" rel=3D"noreferrer" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">http://lists.ovirt.org/<wbr = class=3D"">mailman/listinfo/users</a><br class=3D""><br = class=3D""></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></div><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; 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