Re: [ovirt-users] Unable to put Host into Maintenance mode

On Feb 15, 2018 7:35 PM, "Christopher Cox" <ccox(a)endlessnow.com&gt; wrote: On 02/15/2018 11:10 AM, Michal Skrivanek wrote: ..snippity... with regards to oVirt 3.5 I know I'll catch heat for this, but by "old" you mean like December of 2015? Just trying put things into perspective. Thus it goes with the ancient and decrepit Red Hat Ent. 7.1 days, right? I know, I know, FOSS... the only thing worse than running today's code is running yesterday's. We still run a 3.5 oVirt in our dev lab, btw. But I would not have set that up (not that I would have recommended oVirt to begin with), preferring 3.4 at the time. I would have waited for 3.6. With that said, 3.5 isn't exactly on the "stable line" to Red Hat Virtualization, that was 3.4 and then 3.6. Red Hat doesn't support 3.x anymore, unless its 3.6 with specific subscription that extends its support. Some people can't afford major (downtime) upgrades every 3-6 months or so. But, arguably, maybe we shouldn't be running oVirt. Maybe it's not designed for "production". 3.4,5,6 are minor releases of 3.x. The same way that 4.1 and 4.2 are minor releases of 4.x. I agree that with lots of changing landscape (for example, the move from EL6 to EL7) and with the number of features introduced, they don't seem that minor. But there's an ongoing effort to both keep backwards compatibility as well continously improve quality - which regretfully, requires updating from time to time. I guess oVirt isn't really for production by definition, but many of us are doing so. So... not really a "ding" against oVirt developers, it's just a rapidly moving target with the normal risks that come with that. People just need to understand that. And with that said, the fact that many of us are running those ancient decrepit evil versions of oVirt in production today, is actually a testimony to its quality. Good job devs! Or a warning sign that upgrade is not yet easy as it should be. I believe we've improved the experience and quality of the upgrade flow over time, but we can certainly do a better job. I also think there are two additional factors : 1. Don't fix what ain't broken - it works, why bother? Not much the oVirt community can do here. 2. Newer versions do not provide enough incentive to upgrade. This is a tougher one - I believe they do, both in terms of quality as well as new features that bring value to different use-cases. However, we may not be doing enough 'marketing' work around them, or they are not documented well enough, etc. Y. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users(a)ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users