[ovirt-users] Re: oVirt longevity after CentOS 8, RHV changes

I first received news about the RHEV and OpenShift convergence from my Red Hat TAM at one of my jobs. However, a quick search on Google produces this: https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhev, which says, in part: Moving forward the RHV management feature set will be converged with OpenShift and OpenShift Virtualization providing customers with requirements for containers and VMs a migration path and a common platform for deploying and managing both. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, April 3, 2021 4:52 AM, Timo Veith <timo.veith(a)uni-tuebingen.de&gt; wrote: > Dear David, > > do you have a link to that anouncement which you have referenced below "so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me“ > > Cheers > Timo > >> Am 02.04.2021 um 17:10 schrieb David White via Users users(a)ovirt.org: >> I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so as not to hijack the original thread. >> I'm sure that this topic has come up before. >> I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing with oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to the mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to deploy to a production environment. >> I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my experience grow. >> I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture to allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm concerned about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going to support RHV going forward. >> What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that it is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to prevent Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what happened to CentOS 8? >> As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others help to contribute to the project to ensure its longevity? Or should I really just go find an alternative in the future? (I had been planning to use oVirt for a while, and did some testing last fall, so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I don't have time to switch gears and change my plans to use something else, like Proxmox or something. >> From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can understand Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, now that OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that OpenShift is a lot more complicated and requires more resources. I really don't need a full kubernetes environment. I just need a stable virtualization platform. >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:44 PM, Thomas Hoberg thomas(a)hoberg.net wrote: >> >>> I personally consider the fact that you gave up on 4.3/CentOS7 before CentOS 8 could have even been remotely reliable to run "a free open-source virtualization solution for your entire enterprise", a rather violent break of trust. >>> I understand Redhat's motivation with Python 2/3 etc., but users just don't. Please just try for a minute to view this from a user's perspective. >>> With CentOS 7 supported until 2024, we naturally expect the added value on top via oVirt to persist just as long. >>> And with CentOS 8 support lasting until the end of this year, oVirt 4.4 can't be considered "Petrus" or a rock to build on. >>> Most of us run oVirt simply because we are most interested in the VMs it runs (tenants paying rent). >>> We're not interested in keeping oVirt itself stable and from failing after any update to the house of cards. >>> And yes, by now I am sorry to have chosen oVirt at all, finding that 4.3 was abandonend before 4.4 or the CentOS 8 below was even stable and long before the base OS ran out of support. >>> To the users out there oVirt is a platform, a tool, not a means to itself. >> <publickey - dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com - 0x320CD582.asc>_______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org >> Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html >> oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ >> List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/IBWLTSCR5OS... > Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ > List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/UXUMNX46AGN... _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/DDPI635O2MQ...