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Ok, now I understand, so what do we need to get the power management config=
ured and working?=20
Regards=20
Jose=20
----- Mensagem original -----
De: "Shu Ming" <shuming(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com>=20
Para: "Tim Hildred" <thildred(a)redhat.com>=20
Cc: Users(a)ovirt.org=20
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 18 de Mar=C3=A7o de 2013 5:18:28=20
Assunto: Re: [Users] High Availability=20
Tim Hildred:=20
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> If one host is down because of network interrupt or power=20
> failure, the engine should know how many HA VMs are down and find=20
> out the VM images on the storage domain to start the VM instances on=20
> another host in the cluster. Why do we need power manager to be=20
> configured?=20
Power management allows the Manager to start highly available virtual mac=
hines on
new hosts without worrying that virtual machine hard disk images w=
ill be corrupted.=20
=20
Imagine a situation in which the Manager cannot communicate with the host=
a
highly available virtual machine is running on. If the host is still run=
ning as expected, and the virtual machine is also still running, the virtua=
l machine is writing to its hard disk image.=20
Tim,=20
Thanks for clarification. That is what I expected.=20
=20
If the Manager starts that virtual machine on another host in the cluster=
, then
both virtual machine instances will try and write to the disk image,=
and cause hard disk corruption.=20
=20
Power management lets the Manager be sure that only one instance of the h=
ighly
available virtual machine is running, because the instance on the hos=
t the Manager couldn't communicate cannot survive a host reboot.=20
=20
Tim Hildred, RHCE=20
Content Author II - Engineering Content Services, Red Hat, Inc.=20
Brisbane, Australia=20
Email: thildred(a)redhat.com=20
Internal: 8588287=20
Mobile: +61 4 666 25242=20
IRC: thildred=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Shu Ming" <shuming(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com>=20
> To: "Tim Hildred" <thildred(a)redhat.com>=20
> Cc: dron(a)redhat.com, Users(a)ovirt.org=20
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:31:12 PM=20
> Subject: Re: [Users] High Availability=20
>=20
>=20
> Tim,=20
>=20
> Thanks for your information. I am not sure why we need power=20
> management to be configured for the hosts running HA virtual=20
> machines. We only need a method to check the VM or host status and=20
> a method to restart the VM instances with existing VM images on=20
> another host. Is it required to force powering down the failing host=20
> forever to make sure the failing host will not come back to live=20
> again?=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> *=20
> Power management must be configured for the hosts running the highly=20
> available virtual machines.=20
> *=20
> The host running the highly available virtual machine must be part of=20
> a cluster which has other available hosts.=20
> *=20
> The destination host must be running.=20
> *=20
> The source and destination host must have access to the data domain=20
> on which the virtual machine resides.=20
> *=20
> The source and destination host must have access to the same virtual=20
> networks and VLANs.=20
> *=20
> There must be enough CPUs on the destination host that are not in use=20
> to support the virtual machine's requirements.=20
> *=20
> There must be enough RAM on the destination host that is not in use=20
> to support the virtual machine's requirements.=20
>=20
>=20
> Tim Hildred:=20
>=20
>=20
> You might also find this helpful:=20
> https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Virtua=
lization/3.1/html/Administration_Guide/High_availability_considerations.htm=
l=20
> The topics before and after it explain a bit more about high=20
> availability.=20
>=20
> Tim Hildred, RHCE=20
> Content Author II - Engineering Content Services, Red Hat, Inc.=20
> Brisbane, Australia=20
> Email: thildred(a)redhat.com Internal: 8588287=20
> Mobile: +61 4 666 25242=20
> IRC: thildred=20
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
>=20
> From: "Dafna Ron" <dron(a)redhat.com> To: suporte(a)logicworks.pt Cc:=20
> Users(a)ovirt.org Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:46:51 AM=20
> Subject: Re: [Users] High Availability=20
>=20
> I think that there is some confusion here so I will explain what are=20
> the=20
> configurations for fail-over.=20
>=20
> power management will reboot your host if a connectivity issue is=20
> detected so all your vm's will be killed.=20
> resilience policy will allow you to choose vm migration policy during=20
> a=20
> host failure and its configured in the cluster level (clusters ->=20
> select=20
> cluster -> general sub tab -> edit policy)=20
> High Availability is configured only for servers type vm's and what=20
> it=20
> does is re-run the vm in case the pid of the vm is killed (so most=20
> commonly, if you have power management configured, and the host is=20
> rebooted, the vm will start automatically on a different host).=20
>=20
> so it really depends what you want. if you want vm migration than=20
> look=20
> into cluster policy, if you want a specific vm to always be up and=20
> you=20
> don't care about the other vm's than configure power management and a=20
> HA=20
> vm. it really depends on what you need.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 03/17/2013 07:15 PM, suporte(a)logicworks.pt wrote:=20
>=20
> Is it Mandatory to have power manamement enabled? if yes what=20
> equipment do you recommend to use with it?=20
>=20
> Regards=20
> Jose=20
>=20
>=20
> ----- Mensagem original -----=20
> De: "Ren=C3=A9 Koch" <r.koch(a)ovido.at> Para: suporte(a)logicworks.pt
,=20
> Users(a)ovirt.org Enviadas: Domingo, 17 Mar=C3=A7o, 2013 16:47:41=20
> Assunto: RE: [Users] High Availability=20
>=20
> Hi,=20
>=20
> You have to configure power management to make high availability=20
> working and mark the vms high availability checkbox...=20
>=20
>=20
> Regards,=20
> Ren=C3=A9=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original message-----=20
>=20
> From:suporte@logicworks.pt <suporte(a)logicworks.pt> Sent: Sunday 17th=20
> March 2013 17:28=20
> To: Users(a)ovirt.org Subject: [Users] High Availability=20
>=20
> What should I need to configure to put HA working? I mean, when a=20
> host broke all the VM automatically move to another host.=20
> Do I need to have Power management enabled?=20
>=20
> Thanks=20
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> Dafna Ron=20
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> =E8=88=92=E6=98=8E Shu Ming=20
> Open Virtualization Engineerning; CSTL, IBM Corp.=20
> Tel: 86-10-82451626 Tieline: 9051626 E-mail: shuming(a)cn.ibm.com or=20
> shuming(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com Address: 3/F Ring Building, ZhongGuanCun=20
> Software Park, Haidian District, Beijing 100193, PRC=20
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linux.vnet.ibm.com=20
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lor: #330066'>Ok, now I understand, so what do we need to get the power man=
agement configured and
working?<br><br>Regards<br>Jose<br><br><hr
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hr"><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: normal; font-style:
nor=
mal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 12pt;"><b>De: </b>"Shu Ming"
&lt;shuming(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com&gt;<br><b>=
Para: </b>"Tim Hildred"
&lt;thildred(a)redhat.com&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>Users@ovi=
rt.org<br><b>Enviadas: </b>Segunda-feira, 18 de Mar=C3=A7o de 2013
5:18:28<=
br><b>Assunto: </b>Re: [Users] High Availability<br><br>Tim
Hildred:<br>>=
;> If one host is down because of network interrupt or
power<br>>>=
failure, the engine should know how many HA VMs are down and
find<br>>&=
gt; out the VM images on the storage domain to start the VM instances on<br=
>> another host in the cluster. Why do we need power
manager to be<b=
r>>> configured?<br>> Power
management allows the Manager to start=
highly available virtual machines on new hosts without worrying that virtu=
al machine hard disk images will be corrupted.<br>><br>> Imagine
a si=
tuation in which the Manager cannot communicate with the host a highly avai=
lable virtual machine is running on. If the host is still running as expect=
ed, and the virtual machine is also still running, the virtual machine is w=
riting to its hard disk image.<br>Tim,<br><br>Thanks for clarification.
Tha=
t is what I expected.<br><br>><br>> If the Manager starts
that virtua=
l machine on another host in the cluster, then both virtual machine instanc=
es will try and write to the disk image, and cause hard disk corruption.<br=
><br>> Power management lets the Manager be sure
that only one insta=
nce of the highly available virtual machine is running, because
the instanc=
e on the host the Manager couldn't communicate cannot survive a host reboot=
.<br>><br>> Tim Hildred, RHCE<br>> Content Author
II - Engineering=
Content Services, Red Hat, Inc.<br>> Brisbane, Australia<br>>
Email:=
thildred(a)redhat.com<br>&gt; Internal: 8588287<br>> Mobile: +61 4
666 25=
242<br>> IRC: thildred<br>><br>> ----- Original
Message -----<br>&=
gt;> From: "Shu Ming"
&lt;shuming(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; To:=
"Tim Hildred" &lt;thildred(a)redhat.com&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Cc:
dron(a)redhat.com,=
Users(a)ovirt.org<br>&gt;&gt; Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 1:31:12
PM<br>>=
;> Subject: Re: [Users] High
Availability<br>>><br>>><br>>=
;> Tim,<br>>><br>>> Thanks for your
information. I am not su=
re why we need power<br>>> management to be configured for the hosts
=
running HA virtual<br>>> machines. We only need a method to
che=
ck the VM or host status and<br>>> a method to restart the VM
instanc=
es with existing VM images on<br>>> another host. Is it required to
f=
orce powering down the failing host<br>>> forever to make sure the
fa=
iling host will not come back to live<br>>>
again?<br>>><br>>=
;><br>>><br>>><br>>>
*<br>>>=
Power management must be configured for the hosts running the highly<br>&g=
t;> available virtual machines.<br>>>
*<br>>=
;> The host running the highly available virtual machine must be part of=
<br>>> a cluster which has other available
hosts.<br>>> =
*<br>>> The destination host must be
running.<br>>>=
; *<br>>> The source and destination
host must ha=
ve access to the data domain<br>>> on which the virtual machine
resid=
es.<br>>> *<br>>>
The source and destinatio=
n host must have access to the same virtual<br>>> networks and
VLANs.=
<br>>> *<br>>>
There must be enough CPUs on=
the destination host that are not in use<br>>> to support the
virtua=
l machine's requirements.<br>>>
*<br>>> The=
re must be enough RAM on the destination host that is not in
use<br>>>=
; to support the virtual machine's
requirements.<br>>><br>>><br=
>> Tim
Hildred:<br>>><br>>><br>>> You
might also f=
ind this helpful:<br>>>
https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-U=
S/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Virtualization/3.1/html/Administration_Guide/High_avai=
lability_considerations.html<br>>> The topics before and after it
exp=
lain a bit more about high<br>>>
availability.<br>>><br>>>=
; Tim Hildred, RHCE<br>>> Content Author II - Engineering Content
Ser=
vices, Red Hat, Inc.<br>>> Brisbane,
Australia<br>>> Email: thi=
ldred(a)redhat.com Internal: 8588287<br>>> Mobile: +61 4 666
25242<br>&=
gt;> IRC: thildred<br>>><br>>> -----
Original Message -----<=
br>>><br>>> From: "Dafna Ron"
&lt;dron(a)redhat.com&gt; To: supor=
te(a)logicworks.pt Cc:<br>>> Users(a)ovirt.org Sent: Monday, March 18,
20=
13 4:46:51 AM<br>>> Subject: Re: [Users] High
Availability<br>>>=
;<br>>> I think that there is some confusion here so I will explain
w=
hat are<br>>> the<br>>> configurations for
fail-over.<br>>&g=
t;<br>>> power management will reboot your host if a connectivity
iss=
ue is<br>>> detected so all your vm's will be
killed.<br>>> res=
ilience policy will allow you to choose vm migration policy
during<br>>&=
gt; a<br>>> host failure and its configured in the cluster level
(clu=
sters -><br>>> select<br>>> cluster
-> general sub tab -&=
gt; edit policy)<br>>> High Availability is configured only for
serve=
rs type vm's and what<br>>> it<br>>> does is
re-run the vm in c=
ase the pid of the vm is killed (so most<br>>> commonly, if you have
=
power management configured, and the host is<br>>> rebooted, the vm
w=
ill start automatically on a different
host).<br>>><br>>> so it=
really depends what you want. if you want vm migration than<br>>>
lo=
ok<br>>> into cluster policy, if you want a specific vm to always be
=
up and<br>>> you<br>>> don't care about the
other vm's than con=
figure power management and a<br>>> HA<br>>> vm.
it really depe=
nds on what you
need.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>&g=
t;> On 03/17/2013 07:15 PM, suporte(a)logicworks.pt
wrote:<br>>><br>=
>> Is it Mandatory to have power manamement enabled? if yes
what<br>&=
gt;> equipment do you recommend to use with
it?<br>>><br>>> =
Regards<br>>>
Jose<br>>><br>>><br>>> -----
Mensagem=
original -----<br>>> De: "Ren=C3=A9 Koch"
&lt;r.koch(a)ovido.at&gt; Pa=
ra: suporte(a)logicworks.pt ,<br>>> Users(a)ovirt.org Enviadas: Domingo,
=
17 Mar=C3=A7o, 2013 16:47:41<br>>> Assunto: RE: [Users] High
Availabi=
lity<br>>><br>>>
Hi,<br>>><br>>> You have to config=
ure power management to make high availability<br>>> working and
mark=
the vms high availability
checkbox...<br>>><br>>><br>>>
=
Regards,<br>>> Ren=C3=A9<br>>>
<br>>> <br>&=
gt;> -----Original message-----<br>>><br>>>
From:suporte@log=
icworks.pt &lt;suporte(a)logicworks.pt&gt; Sent: Sunday
17th<br>>> Marc=
h 2013 17:28<br>>> To: Users(a)ovirt.org Subject: [Users] High
Availabi=
lity<br>>><br>>> What should I need to configure
to put HA work=
ing? I mean, when a<br>>> host broke all the VM automatically move
to=
another host.<br>>> Do I need to have Power management
enabled?<br>&=
gt;><br>>> Thanks<br>>>
____________________________________=
___________<br>>> Users mailing list
Users(a)ovirt.org<br>&gt;&gt; http=
://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users<br>>>
_____________________=
__________________________<br>>> Users mailing list
Users(a)ovirt.org<b=
r>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
--<br>>> Daf=
na Ron<br>>>
_______________________________________________<br>>&=
gt; Users mailing list Users(a)ovirt.org<br>&gt;&gt;
http://lists.ovirt.org/m=
ailman/listinfo/users<br>>>
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______<br>>> Users mailing list
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sts.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users<br>>><br>&...
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---<br>>> =E8=88=92=E6=98=8E Shu Ming<br>>> Open
Virtualizatio=
n Engineerning; CSTL, IBM Corp.<br>>> Tel: 86-10-82451626
Tieli=
ne: 9051626 E-mail: shuming(a)cn.ibm.com or<br>>>
shuming(a)linux.vnet.ib=
m.com Address: 3/F Ring Building, ZhongGuanCun<br>>> Software Park,
H=
aidian District, Beijing 100193, PRC<br><br><br>--
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=98=8E Shu Ming<br>Open Virtualization Engineerning; CSTL, IBM Corp.<br>Tel=
: 86-10-82451626 Tieline: 9051626 E-mail: shuming(a)cn.ibm.com or shumi=
ng(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com<br>Address: 3/F Ring Building, ZhongGuanCun Software =
Park, Haidian District, Beijing 100193,
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