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Hi Sharon,
Thanks for your comments. My findings on those:
1. Yes all VMs have ovirt-guest-agent installed and active, =
shutdown time is still about 90 seconds. Any other way to reduce this? I =
see in the logs =E2=80=9CJun 28 11:49:03 pool python: Shutdown scheduled =
for Wed 2017-06-28 11:50:03 CEST, use 'shutdown -c' to cancel.=E2=80=9D =
And then a wait of 60 seconds. Is it possible to adjust this delay?
2. Clicking twice works. Thanks for the tip!
3. =20
a. More VMs per user: yes, could be a good option
b. I have some trouble with the =E2=80=9Cconsole disconnect =
action=E2=80=9D and filed a bug for it last week [1]. Any disconnect =
action (except shutdown) combined with =E2=80=9Cstrict user =
checking=E2=80=9D (security wise recommended) blocks and depletes pool =
resources and in my opinion jeopardizes the pool functionality. I am =
curious what your thoughts are on this.
Kind regards,
Paul
[1]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1464396
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From: Sharon Gratch [mailto:sgratch@redhat.com]=20
Sent: dinsdag 27 juni 2017 19:04
To: Paul <paul(a)kenla.nl>
Cc: users <users(a)ovirt.org>
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] vm shutdown long delay is a problem for users =
of pools
=20
Hi,
Please see comments below.
=20
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Paul <paul(a)kenla.nl =
<mailto:paul@kenla.nl> > wrote:
Hi,
Shutting down VM=E2=80=99s in the portal with the red downfacing arrow =
takes quite some time (about 90 seconds). I read this is mainly due to a =
60 second delay in the ovirt-guest-agent. I got used to right-click and =
use =E2=80=9Cpower off=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9Cshutdown=E2=80=9D, =
which is fine.
=20
My users make use of VM in a VM-pool. They get assigned a VM and after =
console disconnect the VM shuts down (default recommended behavior). My =
issue is that the users stays assigned to this VM for the full 90 =
seconds and cannot do =E2=80=9Cpower off=E2=80=9D. Suppose he =
disconnected by accident, he has to wait 90 seconds until he is assigned =
to the pool again until he can connect to another VM.=20
=20
My questions are:
- Is it possible to decrease the time delay of a VM shutdown? =
90 seconds is quite a lot, 10 seconds should be enough
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8BIs ovirt-guest-agent installed on all pool's VMs? Consider =
installing ovirt-guest-agent in all VMs in your Pool to decrease the =
time taken for the VM shutdown.=20
=20
- Is it possible for normal users to use =E2=80=9Cpower =
off=E2=80=9D?
=E2=80=8BThere is no option in UserPortal to power-off a VM but you can=20
=E2=80=8Btry to click twice (sequential clicks) on the 'shutdown' =
button. Two sequential shutdown requests are handled in oVirt as "power =
off".
- Is it possible to =E2=80=9Cunallocate=E2=80=9D the user from =
a VM if it is powering down? So he can allocate another VM
=E2=80=8BYou can consider assigning two VMs per each user, if possible =
of-course (via WebAdmin->edit Pool -> and set "Maximum number of VMs per =
user" field to "2") so that way while one VM is still shutting down, the =
user can switch and connect to a second VM without waiting.
Another option is to create a pool with a different policy for console =
disconnecting so that the VM won't shutdown each time the user close the =
console (via WebAdmin->Pool->Console tab->"Console Disconnect
Action"). =
Consider changing this field to "Lock screen" or "Logout user" instead
=
of "shutdown virtual machine".=20
This policy will avoid accidentally console disconnection waiting each =
time...but on the other hand the VM state will remain as is since no =
shutdown occurs, so it really depends on your requirements.
Regards,
Sharon
=20
Kind regards,
=20
Paul
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Users mailing list
Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>=20
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi
Sharon,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for your comments. My findings on =
those:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yes all VMs have ovirt-guest-agent installed =
and active, shutdown time is still about 90 seconds. Any other way to =
reduce this? I see in the logs =E2=80=9CJun 28 11:49:03 pool python: =
Shutdown scheduled for Wed 2017-06-28 11:50:03 CEST, use 'shutdown -c' =
to cancel.=E2=80=9D And then a wait of 60 seconds. Is it possible to =
adjust this delay?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
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style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Clicking twice works. Thanks for the =
tip!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
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style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
=
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lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
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style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>More VMs per user: yes, could be a good =
option<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><span
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman"'> =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have some trouble with the =
=E2=80=9Cconsole disconnect action=E2=80=9D and filed a bug for it last =
week [1]. Any disconnect action (except shutdown) combined with =
=E2=80=9Cstrict user checking=E2=80=9D (security wise recommended) =
blocks and depletes pool resources and in my opinion jeopardizes the =
pool functionality. I am curious what your thoughts are on =
this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kind
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
=
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
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</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><a =
href=3D"https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1464396"&...
gzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1464396</a><o:p></o:p&...
=
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;=
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=
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Sharon
=
Gratch [mailto:sgratch@redhat.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 27 juni 2017
=
19:04<br><b>To:</b> Paul
<paul@kenla.nl><br><b>Cc:</b> users =
<users@ovirt.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ovirt-users] vm
shutdown =
long delay is a problem for users of
pools<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic
Sans =
MS"'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Please see comments =
below.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, =
Jun 22, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Paul <<a href=3D"mailto:paul@kenla.nl" =
target=3D"_blank">paul(a)kenla.nl</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Shutting down VM=E2=80=99s in the =
portal with the red downfacing arrow takes quite some time (about 90 =
seconds). I read this is mainly due to a 60 second delay in the =
ovirt-guest-agent. I got used to right-click and use =E2=80=9Cpower =
off=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9Cshutdown=E2=80=9D, which is =
fine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>My users make use of VM in a =
VM-pool. They get assigned a VM and after console disconnect the VM =
shuts down (default recommended behavior). My issue is that the users =
stays assigned to this VM for the full 90 seconds and cannot do =
=E2=80=9Cpower off=E2=80=9D. Suppose he disconnected by accident, he has =
to wait 90 seconds until he is assigned to the pool again until he can =
connect to another VM. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>My questions =
are:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3539624712128639787msolistparagraph><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>-</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> &nb=
sp; </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is it possible to decrease the time delay of a =
VM shutdown? 90 seconds is quite a lot, 10 seconds should be =
enough</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B<span style=3D'font-family:"Comic =
Sans
MS"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=8B<span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>I<span style=3D'color:black'>s ovirt-guest-agent installed
on all =
pool's VMs? Consider installing ovirt-guest-agent in all VMs in your =
Pool to decrease the time taken for the VM shutdown. =
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote
=
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3539624712128639787msolistparagraph><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>-</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> &nb=
sp; </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is it possible for normal users to use =
=E2=80=9Cpower =
off=E2=80=9D?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=8B<span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>There is no option in UserPortal to power-off a VM but you can =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal>=E2=80=8B<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>try to click twice (sequential
=
clicks) on the 'shutdown' button. Two sequential shutdown requests are =
handled in oVirt as "power =
off".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote
=
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3Dgmail-m-3539624712128639787msolistparagraph><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>-</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> &nb=
sp; </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Is it possible to =E2=80=9Cunallocate=E2=80=9D =
the user from a VM if it is powering down? So he can allocate another =
VM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p
=
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>=E2=80=8B<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>You can consider assigning two
VMs =
per each user, if possible of-course (via WebAdmin->edit Pool -> =
and set "Maximum number of VMs per user" field to =
"2") so that way while one VM is still shutting down, the user =
can switch and connect to a second VM without =
waiting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic
Sans =
MS"'>Another option is to create a pool with a different policy for =
console disconnecting so that the VM won't shutdown each time the user =
close the console (via WebAdmin->Pool->Console =
tab->"Console Disconnect Action"). Consider changing this =
field to "Lock screen" or "Logout user" instead of =
"shutdown virtual machine". <br>This policy will avoid =
accidentally console disconnection waiting each time...but on the other =
hand the VM state will remain as is since no shutdown occurs, so it =
really depends on your
requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS"'>Sharon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote
=
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
lang=3DEN-US
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
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