31 Oct
2017
31 Oct
'17
7:50 p.m.
--Apple-Mail=_85EB1EDA-DB79-4495-BCF0-638902063E10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and will miss = it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, but I=E2=80=99= m never going to use it for primary work. Please prioritize ease of use = on Desktop over Mobile! > From: FERNANDO FREDIANI <fernando.frediani@upx.com> > Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now = available for testing > Date: October 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT > To: users@ovirt.org >=20 >=20 > On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander Wels wrote: >>>=20 >>> Will the right click dialog be available in the final release? = Because, >>> currently in 4.2 we need to go at the up right corner to interact = with >>> object (migrate, maintenance...) >>>=20 >> Short answer: No, we removed it on purpose. >>=20 >> Long answer: No, here are the reasons why: >> - We are attempting to get the UI more mobile friendly, and while its = not 100% >> there yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. = Mobile devices >> don't have a right click, so hiding functionality in there would make = no >> sense. > Please don't put mobile usage over Desktop usage. While mobile usage = is nice to have in "certain" situations. In real day by day operation = nobody uses mobile devices to do their deployments and manage their = large environments. If having both options where you can switch between = then is nice, but if something should prevail should always be Desktop. = We are not talking about a Stock Trading interface or something you need = that level or flexibility and mobility to do static things anytime = anywhere. >=20 > So I beg you to consider well before remove things which are pretty = useful for a day by day and real management usage because of a new trend = or buzz stuff. > Right click is always on popular on Desktop enviroments and will be = for quite a while. >> - You can now right click and get the browsers menu instead of ours = and you >> can do things like copy from the menu. >> - We replicated all the functionality from the menu in the = buttons/kebab menu >> available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly used = actions as >> a button, and less often used actions in the kebab to declutter the = interface. >> We traded an extra click for some mouse travel >> - Lots of people didn't realize there even was a right click menu = because its >> a web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was = only >> available in the right click menu. >>=20 >> Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good move or = not. For >> now we want to see how it plays out, if a lot of people want it back, = it is >> certainly possible we will put it back. >>=20 >>>> that is something you are interested in. Its also much faster and = better >>>> than before. >>>>=20 >>>>> On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote: >>>>>> The oVirt Project is pleased to announce the availability of the = First >>>>>> Beta Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This is pre-release software. This pre-release should not to be = used >>>>>> in production. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to ask >>>>>> questions and interact with developers and users.All issues or = bugs >>>>>> should be reported via oVirt Bugzilla[2]. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This update is the first beta release of the 4.2.0 version. This >>>>>> release brings more than 230 enhancements and more than one = thousand >>>>>> bug fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, = on >>>>>> top of oVirt 4.1 series. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> What's new in oVirt 4.2.0? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * >>>>>> The Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned = using >>>>>> Patternfly, a widely adopted standard in web application = design. >>>>>> It now features a cleaner, more intuitive design, for an = improved >>>>>> user experience. >>>>>> * >>>>>> There is an all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users. >>>>>> * >>>>>> A new High Performance virtual machinetype has been added = to the >>>>>> New VM dialog box in the Administration Portal. >>>>>> * >>>>>> Open Virtual Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch = software >>>>>> defined networking (SDN). >>>>>> * >>>>>> oVirt now supports Nvidia vGPU. >>>>>> * >>>>>> The ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common >>>>>> administration tasks. >>>>>> * >>>>>> Virt-v2vnow supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> For more information about these and other features, check out = the >>>>>> oVirt 4.2.0 blog post >>>>>> <https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/>. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This release is available now on x86_64 architecture for: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and ppc64le >>>>>> architectures for: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> See the release notes draft [3] for installation / upgrade >>>>>> instructions and a list of new features and bugs fixed. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Notes: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - oVirt Appliance is already available. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - An async release of oVirt Node will follow soon. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Additional Resources: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * Read more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights: >>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ >>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: = https://twitter.com/ovirt >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * Check out the latest project news on the oVirt blog: >>>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/blog/ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> [1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ = <https://www.ovirt.org/community/> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> [2] = https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt >>>>>> <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/ >>>>>> <http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> [4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/ >>>>>> <http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> SANDRO BONAZZOLA >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION = R&D >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> <https://red.ht/sig> >>>>>> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> <http://www.teraplan.it/redhat-osd-2017/> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Users mailing list >>>>>> Users@ovirt.org >>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Users mailing list >>>> Users@ovirt.org >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users@ovirt.org >> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org> > http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users = <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users> --Apple-Mail=_85EB1EDA-DB79-4495-BCF0-638902063E10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D"">Agreed. I use the right click functionality all the time and = will miss it. With 70+ VMs, I may check status in a mobile interface, = but I=E2=80=99m never going to use it for primary work. Please = prioritize ease of use on Desktop over Mobile!<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D""><hr style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid = #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:0 0 0 0;margin:10px 0 5px 0;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px" id=3D"RwhHeaderAttributes" = class=3D""><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 13.0px Helvetica; color: #000000" class=3D""><b = class=3D"">From:</b> FERNANDO FREDIANI <<a = href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" = class=3D"">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>></font></span><br class=3D""> <span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 13.0px = Helvetica; color: #000000" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: = [ovirt-users] [ANN] oVirt 4.2.0 First Beta Release is now available for = testing</font></span><br class=3D""> <span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 13.0px = Helvetica; color: #000000" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Date:</b> October = 31, 2017 at 11:59:20 AM CDT</font></span><br class=3D""> <span style=3D"margin: -1.3px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"4" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 13.0px = Helvetica; color: #000000" class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a = href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" = class=3D"">users@ovirt.org</a></font></span><br class=3D""> <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><br = style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; = font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; = display: inline !important;" class=3D"">On 31/10/2017 13:43, Alexander = Wels wrote:</span><br style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; = font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote= type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; = font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><br class=3D"">Will the right click dialog be available in = the final release? Because,<br class=3D"">currently in 4.2 we need to go = at the up right corner to interact with<br class=3D"">object (migrate, = maintenance...)<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote>Short answer: = No, we removed it on purpose.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Long answer: = No, here are the reasons why:<br class=3D"">- We are attempting to get = the UI more mobile friendly, and while its not 100%<br class=3D"">there = yet, it is actually quite useable on a mobile device now. Mobile = devices<br class=3D"">don't have a right click, so hiding functionality = in there would make no<br class=3D"">sense.<br = class=3D""></blockquote><span style=3D"font-family: = FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; = display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Please don't put mobile usage = over Desktop usage. While mobile usage is nice to have in "certain" = situations. In real day by day operation nobody uses mobile devices to = do their deployments and manage their large environments. If having both = options where you can switch between then is nice, but if something = should prevail should always be Desktop. We are not talking about a = Stock Trading interface or something you need that level or flexibility = and mobility to do static things anytime anywhere.</span><br = style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; = font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: = FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; = font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: = inline !important;" class=3D"">So I beg you to consider well before = remove things which are pretty useful for a day by day and real = management usage because of a new trend or buzz stuff.</span><br = style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; = font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: = FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; = display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Right click is always on popular = on Desktop enviroments and will be for quite a while.</span><br = style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; = font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = style=3D"font-family: FantasqueSansMono-Regular; font-size: 13px; = font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: = 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">- You can now right click = and get the browsers menu instead of ours and you<br class=3D"">can do = things like copy from the menu.<br class=3D"">- We replicated all the = functionality from the menu in the buttons/kebab menu<br = class=3D"">available on the right. Our goal was to have all the commonly = used actions as<br class=3D"">a button, and less often used actions in = the kebab to declutter the interface.<br class=3D"">We traded an extra = click for some mouse travel<br class=3D"">- Lots of people didn't = realize there even was a right click menu because its<br class=3D"">a = web interface, and they couldn't find some functionality that was = only<br class=3D"">available in the right click menu.<br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">Now that being said, we are still debating if it was a good = move or not. For<br class=3D"">now we want to see how it plays out, if a = lot of people want it back, it is<br class=3D"">certainly possible we = will put it back.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">that is something you = are interested in. Its also much faster and better<br class=3D"">than = before.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D"">On 31/10/2017 10:13, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:<br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">The oVirt Project is = pleased to announce the availability of the First<br class=3D"">Beta = Release of oVirt 4.2.0, as of October 31st, 2017<br class=3D""><br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">This is pre-release software. This pre-release = should not to be used<br class=3D"">in production.<br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">Please take a look at our community page[1] to learn how to = ask<br class=3D"">questions and interact with developers and users.All = issues or bugs<br class=3D"">should be reported via oVirt = Bugzilla[2].<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This update is the first beta = release of the 4.2.0 version. This<br class=3D"">release brings more = than 230 enhancements and more than one thousand<br class=3D"">bug = fixes, including more than 380 high or urgent severity fixes, on<br = class=3D"">top of oVirt 4.1 series.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">What's new in oVirt 4.2.0?<br class=3D""><br = class=3D""> *<br = class=3D""> The = Administration Portalhas been completely redesigned using<br = class=3D""> Patternfly, a widely adopted = standard in web application design.<br = class=3D""> It now features a cleaner, more = intuitive design, for an improved<br = class=3D""> user experience.<br = class=3D""> *<br = class=3D""> There is an = all-new VM Portalfor non-admin users.<br = class=3D""> *<br = class=3D""> A new High = Performance virtual machinetype has been added to the<br = class=3D""> New VM dialog box in the = Administration Portal.<br class=3D""> *<br = class=3D""> Open Virtual = Network (OVN)adds support for Open vSwitch software<br = class=3D""> defined networking (SDN).<br = class=3D""> *<br = class=3D""> oVirt now = supports Nvidia vGPU.<br class=3D""> *<br = class=3D""> The = ovirt-ansible-rolespackage helps users with common<br = class=3D""> administration tasks.<br = class=3D""> *<br = class=3D""> Virt-v2vnow = supports Debian/Ubuntu based VMs.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">For more = information about these and other features, check out the<br = class=3D"">oVirt 4.2.0 blog post<br class=3D""><<a = href=3D"https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/" = class=3D"">https://ovirt.org/blog/2017/09/introducing-ovirt-4.2.0/</a>>= .<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This release is available = now on x86_64 architecture for:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">* Red Hat = Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">* CentOS = Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">This release supports Hypervisor Hosts on x86_64 and = ppc64le<br class=3D"">architectures for:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">* = Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">* = CentOS Linux (or similar) 7.4 or later<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">* = oVirt Node 4.2 (available for x86_64 only)<br class=3D""><br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">See the release notes draft [3] for = installation / upgrade<br class=3D"">instructions and a list of new = features and bugs fixed.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">Notes:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">- oVirt Appliance is = already available.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">- An async release of = oVirt Node will follow soon.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">Additional Resources:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">* Read = more about the oVirt 4.2.0 release highlights:<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/" = class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/</a><br = class=3D""><http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">* Get more oVirt project updates on Twitter: = https://twitter.com/ovirt<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">* Check out the = latest project news on the oVirt blog:<br = class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/blog/<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">[1] https://www.ovirt.org/community/ = <https://www.ovirt.org/community/><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">[2] = https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3DoVirt<br = class=3D""><https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?classification=3D= oVirt><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">[3] = http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/<br = class=3D""><http://www.ovirt.org/release/4.2.0/><br class=3D""><br = class=3D"">[4] http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/<br = class=3D""><http://resources.ovirt.org/pub/ovirt-4.2-pre/iso/><br = class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">SANDRO BONAZZOLA<br = class=3D""><br class=3D"">ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA = ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Red Hat EMEA = <https://www.redhat.com/><br class=3D""><br = class=3D""><https://red.ht/sig><br class=3D"">TRIED. 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