
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050109040900040906090402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 01/14/2013 10:13 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
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*From: *"Alexandru Vladulescu" <avladulescu@bfproject.ro> *To: *"Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> *Cc: *"users" <users@ovirt.org> *Sent: *Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:49:25 PM *Subject: *Re: [Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages
Dear Doron,
I had the case retested now and I am writing you the results.
Furthermore, if this information should be useful for you, my network setup is the following: 2 Layer 2 (Zyxel es2108-g & ES2200-8) switches configured with 2 VLANs ( 1 inside backbone network -- added br0 to Ovirt ; 1 outside network -- running on ovirtmgmt interface for Internet traffic to VMs). The backbone switch is a gigabit capable one, and each host runs on jumbo frame setup. There is one more firewall server that routes the subnets through trunking port and VLAN configuration. The Ovirt software has been setup with backbone network subnet.
As you could guess the network infrastructure is not the problem here.
The test case was the same as described before:
1. Vm running on Hyper01, none on Hyper02. Host had configured the High Available check box. 2. Hand power off of Hyper01 from power network (no soft/manual shutdown). 3. After a while, Ovirt marks the Hyper01 as Non Responsive 4. Manually clicked on Confirm host reboot and the VM starts after Ovirt's manual fence to Hyper01 on Hyper02 host.
I have provided engine log attached. The Confirm Host reboot was done at precise time of 21:31:45 On the cluster section, in Ovirt, I did try changing the "Resilience Policy" attribute from "Migrate Virtual Machines" to "Migrate only High Available Virtual Machines" but with the same results.
As I am guessing from the engine log the Node Controller sees the Hyper01 node as it has a "network fault" no route to host, although this was shut down.
Is this supposed to be the default behavior in this case, as the scenario might overlap with a real case of network outage.
My Regards, Alex.
On 01/13/2013 10:54 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
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*From: *"Alexandru Vladulescu" <avladulescu@bfproject.ro> *To: *"Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> *Cc: *"users" <users@ovirt.org> *Sent: *Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:46:41 AM *Subject: *Re: [Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages
Dear Doron,
I haven't collected the logs from the tests, but I would gladly re-do the case and get back to you asap.
This feature is the main reason of which I have chosen to go with Ovirt in the first place, besides other virt environments.
Could you please inform me what logs should I be focusing on, besides the engine log; vdsm maybe or other relevant logs?
Regards, Alex
-- Sent from phone.
On 13.01.2013, at 09:56, Doron Fediuck <dfediuck@redhat.com <mailto:dfediuck@redhat.com>> wrote:
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*From: *"Alexandru Vladulescu" <avladulescu@bfproject.ro <mailto:avladulescu@bfproject.ro>> *To: *"users" <users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org>> *Sent: *Friday, January 11, 2013 2:47:38 PM *Subject: *[Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages
Hi,
Today, I started testing on my Ovirt 3.1 installation (from dreyou repos) running on 3 x Centos 6.3 hypervisors the High Availability features and the fence mechanism.
As yesterday, I have reported in a previous email thread, that the migration priority queue cannot be increased (bug) in this current version, I decided to test what the official documentation says about the High Availability cases.
This will be a disaster case scenarios to suffer from if one hypervisor has a power outage/hardware problem and the VMs running on it are not migrating on other spare resources.
In the official documenation from ovirt.org <http://ovirt.org> it is quoted the following:
/High availability /
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/Allows critical VMs to be restarted on another host in the event of hardware failure with three levels of priority, taking into account resiliency policy. /
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* /Resiliency policy to control high availability VMs at the cluster level. / * /Supports application-level high availability with supported fencing agents. /
As well as in the Architecture description:
/High Availability - restart guest VMs from failed hosts automatically on other hosts/
So the testing went like this -- One VM running a linux box, having the check box "High Available" and "Priority for Run/Migration queue:" set to Low. On Host we have the check box to "Any Host in Cluster", without "Allow VM migration only upon Admin specific request" checked.
My environment:
Configuration : 2 x Hypervisors (same cluster/hardware configuration) ; 1 x Hypervisor + acting as a NAS (NFS) server (different cluster/hardware configuration)
Actions: Went and cut-off the power from one of the hypervisors from the 2 node clusters, while the VM was running on. This would translate to a power outage.
Results: The hypervisor node that suffered from the outage is showing in Hosts tab as Non Responsive on Status, and the VM has a question mark and cannot be powered off or nothing (therefore it's stuck).
In the Log console in GUI, I get:
Host Hyper01 is non-responsive. VM Web-Frontend01 was set to the Unknown status.
There is nothing I could I could do besides clicking on the Hyper01 "Confirm Host as been rebooted", afterwards the VM starts on the Hyper02 with a cold reboot of the VM.
The Log console changes to:
Vm Web-Frontend01 was shut down due to Hyper01 host reboot or manual fence All VMs' status on Non-Responsive Host Hyper01 were changed to 'Down' by admin@internal Manual fencing for host Hyper01 was started. VM Web-Frontend01 was restarted on Host Hyper02
I would like you approach on this problem, reading the documentation & features pages on the official website, I suppose that this would have been an automatically mechanism working on some sort of a vdsm & engine fencing action. Am I missing something regarding it ?
Thank you for your patience reading this.
Regards, Alex.
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Hi Alex, Can you share with us the engine's log from the relevant time period?
Doron
Hi Alex, engine log is the important one, as it will indicate on the decision making process. VDSM logs should be kept in case something is unclear, but I suggest we begin with engine.log.
Hi Alex,in tab, rig In order to have HA working in host level (which is what you're testing now) you need to configure power management to each of the relevant hosts (Go to Hosts maht click a host and choose edit. Now select the Power management tab and you'll see it). In the details you gave us it's not clear how you defined Power management for your hosts, so I can only assume it's not defined properly.
The reason for this necessity is that we cannot resume a VM on a different host before we verified the original hosts status. If, for example the VM is still running on the original host and we lost network connectivity to it, we're in a risk of running the same VM on 2 different hosts at the same time which will corrupt its disk(s). So the only way to prevent it, is rebooting the original host which will ensure the VM is not running there. We call the reboot procedure fencing, and if you'll check your logs you'll be able to see:
2013-01-13 21:29:42,380 ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.VdsNotRespondingTreatmentCommand] (pool-3-thread-44) [a1803d1] Failed to run Fence script on vds:Hyper01, VMs moved to UnKnown instead.
So the only way for you to handle it, is to confirm host was rebooted (as you did), which will allow resuming the VM on a different host.
Doron
Hi Doron, Regarding your reply I don't have such fence mechanism through IMM or iLO interface as the hardware that I am using doesn't support such IPMI technology. Seeing your response makes me consider the option of really getting an add-on card that will be able to do the basic reboot, restart, reset functions for our hardware. Thank you very much for your advice on this. Alex --------------050109040900040906090402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/14/2013 10:13 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:1145936324.4069952.1358151211713.JavaMail.root@redhat.com" type="cite"> <style type="text/css">p { margin: 0; }</style> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><br> <br> <hr id="zwchr"> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Alexandru Vladulescu" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:avladulescu@bfproject.ro"><avladulescu@bfproject.ro></a><br> <b>To: </b>"Doron Fediuck" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dfediuck@redhat.com"><dfediuck@redhat.com></a><br> <b>Cc: </b>"users" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:users@ovirt.org"><users@ovirt.org></a><br> <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:49:25 PM<br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages<br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br> Dear Doron,<br> <br> <br> I had the case retested now and I am writing you the results.<br> <br> Furthermore, if this information should be useful for you, my network setup is the following: 2 Layer 2 (Zyxel es2108-g & ES2200-8) switches configured with 2 VLANs ( 1 inside backbone network -- added br0 to Ovirt ; 1 outside network -- running on ovirtmgmt interface for Internet traffic to VMs). The backbone switch is a gigabit capable one, and each host runs on jumbo frame setup. There is one more firewall server that routes the subnets through trunking port and VLAN configuration. The Ovirt software has been setup with backbone network subnet.<br> <br> As you could guess the network infrastructure is not the problem here.<br> <br> The test case was the same as described before:<br> <br> 1. Vm running on Hyper01, none on Hyper02. Host had configured the High Available check box.<br> 2. Hand power off of Hyper01 from power network (no soft/manual shutdown).<br> 3. After a while, Ovirt marks the Hyper01 as Non Responsive<br> 4. Manually clicked on Confirm host reboot and the VM starts after Ovirt's manual fence to Hyper01 on Hyper02 host.<br> <br> I have provided engine log attached. The Confirm Host reboot was done at precise time of 21:31:45 On the cluster section, in Ovirt, I did try changing the "Resilience Policy" attribute from "Migrate Virtual Machines" to "Migrate only High Available Virtual Machines" but with the same results.<br> <br> <br> As I am guessing from the engine log the Node Controller sees the Hyper01 node as it has a "network fault" no route to host, although this was shut down. <br> <br> Is this supposed to be the default behavior in this case, as the scenario might overlap with a real case of network outage.<br> <br> <br> My Regards,<br> Alex.<br> <br> <br> <br> On 01/13/2013 10:54 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:917703155.3933743.1358067259764.JavaMail.root@redhat.com"> <style>p { margin: 0; }</style> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><br> <br> <hr id="zwchr"> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Alexandru Vladulescu" <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:avladulescu@bfproject.ro" target="_blank"><avladulescu@bfproject.ro></a><br> <b>To: </b>"Doron Fediuck" <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dfediuck@redhat.com" target="_blank"><dfediuck@redhat.com></a><br> <b>Cc: </b>"users" <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank"><users@ovirt.org></a><br> <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:46:41 AM<br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages<br> <br> <div>Dear Doron,</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I haven't collected the logs from the tests, but I would gladly re-do the case and get back to you asap. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>This feature is the main reason of which I have chosen to go with Ovirt in the first place, besides other virt environments.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Could you please inform me what logs should I be focusing on, <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">besides the engine log; vdsm maybe or other relevant logs?</span></div> <div><br> <div> <div>Regards,</div> <div>Alex</div> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><br> </div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">--</span></div> <div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Sent from phone.</span></div> </div> <div><br> On 13.01.2013, at 09:56, Doron Fediuck <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dfediuck@redhat.com" target="_blank">dfediuck@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> </div> <blockquote> <div> <div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><br> <br> <hr id="zwchr"> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Alexandru Vladulescu" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avladulescu@bfproject.ro" target="_blank">avladulescu@bfproject.ro</a>><br> <b>To: </b>"users" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:users@ovirt.org" target="_blank">users@ovirt.org</a>><br> <b>Sent: </b>Friday, January 11, 2013 2:47:38 PM<br> <b>Subject: </b>[Users] Testing High Availability and Power outages<br> <br> <br> Hi,<br> <br> <br> Today, I started testing on my Ovirt 3.1 installation (from dreyou repos) running on 3 x Centos 6.3 hypervisors the High Availability features and the fence mechanism.<br> <br> As yesterday, I have reported in a previous email thread, that the migration priority queue cannot be increased (bug) in this current version, I decided to test what the official documentation says about the High Availability cases. <br> <br> This will be a disaster case scenarios to suffer from if one hypervisor has a power outage/hardware problem and the VMs running on it are not migrating on other spare resources.<br> <br> <br> In the official documenation from <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ovirt.org" target="_blank">ovirt.org</a> it is quoted the following:<br> <h3> <span class="mw-headline" id="High_availability"> <font color="#333399"><i><small>High availability </small></i></font></span></h3> <font color="#333399"><i><small> </small></i></font> <p><font color="#333399"><i><small>Allows critical VMs to be restarted on another host in the event of hardware failure with three levels of priority, taking into account resiliency policy. </small></i></font></p> <font color="#333399"><i><small> </small></i></font> <ul> <li><font color="#333399"><i><small> Resiliency policy to control high availability VMs at the cluster level. </small></i></font></li> <li><font color="#333399"><i><small> Supports application-level high availability with supported fencing agents. </small></i></font></li> </ul> <br> As well as in the Architecture description:<br> <font color="#333399"><br> <small><i>High Availability - restart guest VMs from failed hosts automatically on other hosts</i></small></font><br> <br> <br> <br> So the testing went like this -- One VM running a linux box, having the check box "High Available" and "Priority for Run/Migration queue:" set to Low. On Host we have the check box to "Any Host in Cluster", without "Allow VM migration only upon Admin specific request" checked.<br> <br> <br> <br> My environment:<br> <br> <br> Configuration : 2 x Hypervisors (same cluster/hardware configuration) ; 1 x Hypervisor + acting as a NAS (NFS) server (different cluster/hardware configuration)<br> <br> Actions: Went and cut-off the power from one of the hypervisors from the 2 node clusters, while the VM was running on. This would translate to a power outage.<br> <br> Results: The hypervisor node that suffered from the outage is showing in Hosts tab as Non Responsive on Status, and the VM has a question mark and cannot be powered off or nothing (therefore it's stuck).<br> <br> In the Log console in GUI, I get: <br> <br> <span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important; float: none; ">Host Hyper01 is non-responsive.</span><br> <span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important; float: none; ">VM Web-Frontend01 was set to the Unknown status.</span><br> <br> There is nothing I could I could do besides clicking on the Hyper01 "Confirm Host as been rebooted", afterwards the VM starts on the Hyper02 with a cold reboot of the VM.<br> <br> The Log console changes to:<br> <br> <span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important; float: none; ">Vm Web-Frontend01 was shut down due to Hyper01 host reboot or manual fence</span><br> <span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important; float: none; ">All VMs' status on Non-Responsive Host Hyper01 were changed to 'Down' by admin@internal</span><br> <span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important; float: none; ">Manual fencing for host Hyper01 was started.</span><br> <span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 26px; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nowrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(102, 102, 102); display: inline !important; float: none; ">VM Web-Frontend01 was restarted on Host Hyper02</span><br> <br> <br> I would like you approach on this problem, reading the documentation & features pages on the official website, I suppose that this would have been an automatically mechanism working on some sort of a vdsm & engine fencing action. Am I missing something regarding it ?<br> <br> <br> Thank you for your patience reading this.<br> <br> <br> Regards,<br> Alex.<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Users mailing list<br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target="_blank">Users@ovirt.org</a><br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" target="_blank">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users</a><br> </blockquote> Hi Alex,<br> Can you share with us the engine's log from the relevant time period?<br> <br> Doron<br> </div> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> Hi Alex,<br> engine log is the important one, as it will indicate on the decision making process.<br> VDSM logs should be kept in case something is unclear, but I suggest we begin with<br> engine.log.<br> <br> </div> </blockquote> <br> </blockquote> Hi Alex,in tab, rig<br> In order to have HA working in host level (which is what you're testing now) you need to<br> configure power management to each of the relevant hosts (Go to Hosts maht click a host<br> and choose edit. Now select the Power management tab and you'll see it). In the details you<br> gave us it's not clear how you defined Power management for your hosts, so I can only assume<br> it's not defined properly.<br> <br> The reason for this necessity is that we cannot resume a VM on a different host before we<br> verified the original hosts status. If, for example the VM is still running on the original<br> host and we lost network connectivity to it, we're in a risk of running the same VM on 2 different<br> hosts at the same time which will corrupt its disk(s). So the only way to prevent it, is<br> rebooting the original host which will ensure the VM is not running there. We call the reboot<br> procedure fencing, and if you'll check your logs you'll be able to see:<br> <br> 2013-01-13 21:29:42,380 ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.VdsNotRespondingTreatmentCommand] (pool-3-thread-44) [a1803d1] Failed to run Fence script on vds:Hyper01, VMs moved to UnKnown instead.<br> <br> So the only way for you to handle it, is to confirm host was rebooted (as you did), which will<br> allow resuming the VM on a different host.<br> <br> Doron<br> </div> </blockquote> <br> Hi Doron,<br> <br> Regarding your reply I don't have such fence mechanism through IMM or iLO interface as the hardware that I am using doesn't support such IPMI technology. Seeing your response makes me consider the option of really getting an add-on card that will be able to do the basic reboot, restart, reset functions for our hardware.<br> <br> Thank you very much for your advice on this.<br> <br> Alex<br> <br> <br> </body> </html> --------------050109040900040906090402--