On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Gary Pedretty <gary@ravnalaska.net> = wrote: =20 I just tried running the most recent update that came out for Ovirt = Hosted Engine setup. This is a glusterized setup with 4 hosts setup as =
--Apple-Mail=_82355EF7-10FA-498D-A0CF-51866FF509DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 After more testing, I can get the engine vm to run manually with = ha-agent stopped. It still fails the liveliness check. Here is the = repeating error in the engine.log from the engine vm ERROR [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.Backend] (ServerService Thread Pool =E2=80= =94 46) [] Error in getting DB connection, database is inaccessible: = Error retrieving database metadata; nested exception is = org.springframework.jdbc.support.MetaDataAccessException: Could not get = Connection for extracting meta data; nested exception is = org.springframework.jdbc.CannotGetJdbcConnectionException: Could not get = JDBC Connection; nested exception is java.sql.SQLException: = javax.resource.ResourceException: IJ000453: Unable to get managed = connection for java:/ENGINEDataSource Found a suggestion about trying a test connection to the database and = get the following. [root@fai-kvm-engine ~]# psql --host localhost --port 5432 --user engine = --password engine Password for user engine: psql: could not connect to server: Connection refused Is the server running on host "localhost" (::1) and accepting TCP/IP connections on port 5432? could not connect to server: Connection refused Is the server running on host "localhost" (127.0.0.1) and = accepting TCP/IP connections on port 5432? [root@fai-kvm-engine ~]# and checking that postgresql is running shows=20 [root@fai-kvm-engine ~]# systemctl status postgresql =C3=A2=E2=80=94=7F postgresql.service - PostgreSQL database server Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/postgresql.service; enabled; = vendor preset: disabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sat 2017-01-07 20:58:04 UTC; = 2s ago Process: 23867 ExecStart=3D/usr/bin/pg_ctl start -D ${PGDATA} -s -o -p = ${PGPORT} -w -t 300 (code=3Dexited, status=3D1/FAILURE) Process: 23860 ExecStartPre=3D/usr/bin/postgresql-check-db-dir = ${PGDATA} (code=3Dexited, status=3D0/SUCCESS) Jan 07 20:58:03 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net systemd[1]: Starting = PostgreSQL database server... Jan 07 20:58:03 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net pg_ctl[23867]: pg_ctl: = another server might be running; trying to start server anyway Jan 07 20:58:03 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net pg_ctl[23867]: FATAL: = pre-existing shared memory block (key 5432001, ID 0) is still in use Jan 07 20:58:03 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net pg_ctl[23867]: HINT: If = you're sure there are no old server processes still running, remove the = shared memory block or just delete the file "postmaster.pid". Jan 07 20:58:04 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net pg_ctl[23867]: pg_ctl: = could not start server Jan 07 20:58:04 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net pg_ctl[23867]: Examine the = log output. Jan 07 20:58:04 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net systemd[1]: = postgresql.service: control process exited, code=3Dexited status=3D1 Jan 07 20:58:04 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net systemd[1]: Failed to = start PostgreSQL database server. Jan 07 20:58:04 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net systemd[1]: Unit = postgresql.service entered failed state. Jan 07 20:58:04 fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net systemd[1]: = postgresql.service failed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Pedretty gary@ravnalaska.net = <mailto:gary@eraalaska.net> Systems Manager www.flyravn.com = <http://www.flyravn.com/> Ravn Alaska /\ 907-450-7251 5245 Airport Industrial Road / \/\ 907-450-7238 fax Fairbanks, Alaska 99709 /\ / \ \ Second greatest commandment Serving All of Alaska / \/ /\ \ \/\ =E2=80=9CLove your = neighbor as Really loving the record green up date! Summmer!! yourself=E2=80=9D = Matt 22:39 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ per the Documentation. Each host had the icon showing upgrades = available so I started clicking upgrade for each host doing them one at = time. 3 of them went into maintenance fine, migrated their VMs and then = activated when done. The last one to do was the one actually running = the hosted-engine VM. This host also had one other VM. It migrated the = other VM just fine, but stalled trying to migrate the hosted-engine. = Eventually the web interface became non-responsive and I moved to = command line. I have tried everything to get the engine to start up. I = have tried putting all the hosts in maintenance so that I could = selectively tell it to start the hosted-engine VM on one host = specifically, but each fails with the =E2=80=9CFailed Liveliness error. = I have tried restarting the ha agents, re-initializing the lockspace all = with no success. All my VMs are still running fine, I just cannot get = the hosted-engine to run. I can if necessary shutdown all the VMs and = restart all the hosts, but was trying to avoid that unless I have to.
=20 Ideas. =20 Gary =20 =20 =
Gary Pedretty = gary@ravnalaska.net <mailto:gary@eraalaska.net> Systems Manager = www.flyravn.com <http://www.flyravn.com/> Ravn Alaska /\ = 907-450-7251 5245 Airport Industrial Road / \/\ 907-450-7238 = fax Fairbanks, Alaska 99709 /\ / \ \ Second greatest = commandment Serving All of Alaska / \/ /\ \ \/\ =E2=80=9CLove your = neighbor as Really loving the record green up date! Summmer!! yourself=E2=80=9D = Matt 22:39 =
=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
--Apple-Mail=_82355EF7-10FA-498D-A0CF-51866FF509DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D"">After more testing, I can get the engine vm to run manually = with ha-agent stopped. It still fails the liveliness check. = Here is the repeating error in the engine.log from the engine = vm<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">ERROR = [org.ovirt.engine.core.bll.Backend] (ServerService Thread Pool =E2=80=94 = 46) [] Error in getting DB connection, database is inaccessible: Error = retrieving database metadata; nested exception is = org.springframework.jdbc.support.MetaDataAccessException: Could not get = Connection for extracting meta data; nested exception is = org.springframework.jdbc.CannotGetJdbcConnectionException: Could not get = JDBC Connection; nested exception is java.sql.SQLException: = javax.resource.ResourceException: IJ000453: Unable to get managed = connection for java:/ENGINEDataSource</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Found a suggestion about trying a test connection to the = database and get the following.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">[root@fai-kvm-engine = ~]# psql --host localhost --port 5432 --user engine --password = engine</div><div class=3D"">Password for user engine:</div><div = class=3D"">psql: could not connect to server: Connection = refused</div><div class=3D""> Is the server = running on host "localhost" (::1) and accepting</div><div = class=3D""> TCP/IP connections on port = 5432?</div><div class=3D"">could not connect to server: Connection = refused</div><div class=3D""> Is the server = running on host "localhost" (127.0.0.1) and accepting</div><div = class=3D""> TCP/IP connections on port = 5432?</div><div class=3D"">[root@fai-kvm-engine ~]#</div></div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">and checking that = postgresql is running shows </div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">[root@fai-kvm-engine = ~]# systemctl status postgresql</div><div class=3D"">=C3=A2=E2=80=94=7F = postgresql.service - PostgreSQL database server</div><div = class=3D""> Loaded: loaded = (/usr/lib/systemd/system/postgresql.service; enabled; vendor preset: = disabled)</div><div class=3D""> Active: failed (Result: = exit-code) since Sat 2017-01-07 20:58:04 UTC; 2s ago</div><div = class=3D""> Process: 23867 ExecStart=3D/usr/bin/pg_ctl start -D = ${PGDATA} -s -o -p ${PGPORT} -w -t 300 (code=3Dexited, = status=3D1/FAILURE)</div><div class=3D""> Process: 23860 = ExecStartPre=3D/usr/bin/postgresql-check-db-dir ${PGDATA} (code=3Dexited, = status=3D0/SUCCESS)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:03 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> systemd[1]: Starting = PostgreSQL database server...</div><div class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:03 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> pg_ctl[23867]: pg_ctl: = another server might be running; trying to start server anyway</div><div = class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:03 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> pg_ctl[23867]: FATAL: = pre-existing shared memory block (key 5432001, ID 0) is still in = use</div><div class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:03 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> pg_ctl[23867]: HINT: = If you're sure there are no old server processes still running, = remove the shared memory block or just delete the file = "postmaster.pid".</div><div class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:04 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> pg_ctl[23867]: pg_ctl: = could not start server</div><div class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:04 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> pg_ctl[23867]: Examine the = log output.</div><div class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:04 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> systemd[1]: = postgresql.service: control process exited, code=3Dexited = status=3D1</div><div class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:04 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> systemd[1]: Failed to start = PostgreSQL database server.</div><div class=3D"">Jan 07 20:58:04 <a = href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> systemd[1]: Unit = postgresql.service entered failed state.</div><div class=3D"">Jan 07 = 20:58:04 <a href=3D"http://fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net" = class=3D"">fai-kvm-engine.ravnalaska.net</a> systemd[1]: = postgresql.service failed.</div></div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: = auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: = 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: = auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: = 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: = auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: = 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Menlo" = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; letter-spacing: normal; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------= ---------</div><div class=3D"">Gary Pedretty = = <a = href=3D"mailto:gary@eraalaska.net" = class=3D"">gary@ravnalaska.net</a></div><div class=3D"">Systems Manager = = = <a href=3D"http://www.flyravn.com" = class=3D"">www.flyravn.com</a></div><div class=3D"">Ravn Alaska = = /\ = 907-450-7251</div><div class=3D"">5245 Airport Industrial = Road / \/\ = 907-450-7238 fax</div><div class=3D"">Fairbanks, Alaska = 99709 /\ / \ \ = Second greatest commandment</div></font><font face=3D"Monaco" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;" class=3D"">Serving All of = Alaska / \/ /\ \ \/\ = =E2=80=9CLove your neighbor as</span></font><br = style=3D"font-family: Monaco;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Menlo" = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: = 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;" class=3D"">Really = loving the record green up date! Summmer!! yourself=E2=80=9D M= att 22:39</span></font><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Menlo;" = class=3D""></div><font face=3D"Menlo" style=3D"font-size: 12px;" = class=3D""></font><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: = normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 12px;" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Menlo" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------= ---------</div></font></span><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><font = face=3D"Menlo" style=3D"font-size: 12px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></font></div></div><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 12px;" = class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><span = style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: = 0px; font-size: 12px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><span style=3D"color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: = 12px;" class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><br= class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Gary Pedretty <<a = href=3D"mailto:gary@ravnalaska.net" class=3D"">gary@ravnalaska.net</a>>= wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta= http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" = class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I just tried = running the most recent update that came out for Ovirt Hosted Engine = setup. This is a glusterized setup with 4 hosts setup as per the = Documentation. Each host had the icon showing upgrades available = so I started clicking upgrade for each host doing them one at time. 3 of = them went into maintenance fine, migrated their VMs and then activated = when done. The last one to do was the one actually running the = hosted-engine VM. This host also had one other VM. It = migrated the other VM just fine, but stalled trying to migrate the = hosted-engine. Eventually the web interface became non-responsive = and I moved to command line. I have tried everything to get the = engine to start up. I have tried putting all the hosts in = maintenance so that I could selectively tell it to start the = hosted-engine VM on one host specifically, but each fails with the = =E2=80=9CFailed Liveliness error. I have tried restarting the ha = agents, re-initializing the lockspace all with no success. All my = VMs are still running fine, I just cannot get the hosted-engine to run. = I can if necessary shutdown all the VMs and restart all the = hosts, but was trying to avoid that unless I have to.<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Ideas.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Gary</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: = auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: = 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: = auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: = 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: = auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div style=3D"orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: = 0px; widows: auto; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Menlo" = style=3D"font-size: 12px; letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" = class=3D""><div = class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------= ---------</div><div class=3D"">Gary Pedretty = = <a = href=3D"mailto:gary@eraalaska.net" = class=3D"">gary@ravnalaska.net</a></div><div class=3D"">Systems Manager = = = <a href=3D"http://www.flyravn.com/" = class=3D"">www.flyravn.com</a></div><div class=3D"">Ravn Alaska = = /\ = 907-450-7251</div><div class=3D"">5245 Airport Industrial = Road / \/\ = 907-450-7238 fax</div><div class=3D"">Fairbanks, Alaska = 99709 /\ / \ \ = Second greatest commandment</div></font><font face=3D"Monaco" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;" class=3D"">Serving All of = Alaska / \/ /\ \ \/\ = =E2=80=9CLove your neighbor as</span></font><br = style=3D"font-family: Monaco;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Menlo" = style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;" class=3D"">Really loving the = record green up date! Summmer!! yourself=E2=80=9D Matt = 22:39</span></font><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: = 0px; font-family: Menlo;" class=3D""></div><font face=3D"Menlo" = style=3D"font-size: 12px;" class=3D""></font><span = style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: = 12px;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Menlo" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------= ---------</div></font></span><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Menlo" = style=3D"font-size: 12px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></font></div></div><span style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 12px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><span = style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: = 12px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><span = style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: = 12px;" class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div><br= class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div> <br = class=3D""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br = class=3D"">Users mailing list<br class=3D""><a = href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" class=3D"">Users@ovirt.org</a><br = class=3D"">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users<br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_82355EF7-10FA-498D-A0CF-51866FF509DE--