[Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Hi, As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis. When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is. I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not). Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown): http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ... I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page. Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages. Easy to do? -Bob
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From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:53:13 PM Subject: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
Hi Bob, I'm not against it and I'm aware of the fact that pages tend to become out of date. Since every page has a history as you can see in the attached, adding another date seems needles. What do you think? 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On 03/13/2014 03:28 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:53:13 PM Subject: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
Hi Bob, I'm not against it and I'm aware of the fact that pages tend to become out of date. Since every page has a history as you can see in the attached, adding another date seems needles.
What do you think?
Hi Doron, I was thinking of something very simple - a clear text date on ever page on the Wiki. I can't see anything that looks like your attached picture of menus on this page, for example: http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine Do you have to log in to see that menu? If so, that's not very helpful to those without accounts... -Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:17:22 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
On 03/13/2014 03:28 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:53:13 PM Subject: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
Hi Bob, I'm not against it and I'm aware of the fact that pages tend to become out of date. Since every page has a history as you can see in the attached, adding another date seems needles.
What do you think?
Hi Doron,
I was thinking of something very simple - a clear text date on ever page on the Wiki.
I can't see anything that looks like your attached picture of menus on this page, for example: http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
Do you have to log in to see that menu? If so, that's not very helpful to those without accounts...
-Bob
Hi Bob, so for that we have the update date: Current status Initial POC devel Last updated: March 13, 2014
Il 14/03/2014 04:16, Doron Fediuck ha scritto:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:17:22 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
On 03/13/2014 03:28 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:53:13 PM Subject: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
Hi Bob, I'm not against it and I'm aware of the fact that pages tend to become out of date. Since every page has a history as you can see in the attached, adding another date seems needles.
What do you think?
Hi Doron,
I was thinking of something very simple - a clear text date on ever page on the Wiki.
I can't see anything that looks like your attached picture of menus on this page, for example: http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
Do you have to log in to see that menu? If so, that's not very helpful to those without accounts...
-Bob
Hi Bob, so for that we have the update date:
Current status Initial POC devel Last updated: March 13, 2014
There is an ongoing discussion about adding correct edit dates to all wiki pages http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2014-February/005448.html The above timestamp is not right. Last change was done on November 2013 Fixed wiki for displaying last revision correctly as didi suggested. We're waiting on someone with enough rights for updating all wiki pages possibly in automated manner adding the correct line there. Otherwise we've to go over all pages and do that manually.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandro Bonazzola" <sbonazzo@redhat.com> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com>, "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org>, "Yedidyah Bar David" <didi@redhat.com> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 10:15:04 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Il 14/03/2014 04:16, Doron Fediuck ha scritto:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:17:22 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
On 03/13/2014 03:28 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:53:13 PM Subject: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
Hi Bob, I'm not against it and I'm aware of the fact that pages tend to become out of date. Since every page has a history as you can see in the attached, adding another date seems needles.
What do you think?
Hi Doron,
I was thinking of something very simple - a clear text date on ever page on the Wiki.
I can't see anything that looks like your attached picture of menus on this page, for example: http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
Do you have to log in to see that menu? If so, that's not very helpful to those without accounts...
-Bob
Hi Bob, so for that we have the update date:
Current status Initial POC devel Last updated: March 13, 2014
There is an ongoing discussion about adding correct edit dates to all wiki pages http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2014-February/005448.html
Indeed. Last post in that thread [1] is from 3 weeks ago. Any news about that? [1] http://lists.ovirt.org/pipermail/infra/2014-February/005502.html Best, -- Didi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:17:22 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
On 03/13/2014 03:28 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:53:13 PM Subject: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
Hi Bob, I'm not against it and I'm aware of the fact that pages tend to become out of date. Since every page has a history as you can see in the attached, adding another date seems needles.
What do you think?
Hi Doron,
I was thinking of something very simple - a clear text date on ever page on the Wiki.
I can't see anything that looks like your attached picture of menus on this page, for example: http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
Do you have to log in to see that menu? If so, that's not very helpful to those without accounts...
1. So create an account, it's free :-) 2. It's indeed *shown* only to logged in users, but the links are accessible to everyone. You can "guess" them by looking at any other mediawiki site. E.g. for this page, the history one is: http://www.ovirt.org/index.php?title=Features/Self_Hosted_Engine&action=history (You'll still need to be logged in in order to edit a page). Not sure why this is so - probably the default of the theme used there or something like that. -- Didi
On 03/16/2014 04:35 AM, Yedidyah Bar David wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com>
>> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com>
>> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:17:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
>>
>>
>> On 03/13/2014 03:28 PM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com>
>>>> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:53:13 PM
>>>> Subject: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's
>>>> out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be
>>>> true - it's the nature of Wikis.
>>>>
>>>> When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most
>>>> current information is.
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a
>>>> useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most
>>>> useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be
>>>> useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number
>>>> of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context
>>>> (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's
>>>> addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
>>>>
>>>> Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing
>>>> configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the
>>>> following links (in order shown):
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine
>>>> http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell
>>>> about the 2nd page.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate
>>>> how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation.
>>>> Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even
>>>> help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
>>>>
>>>> Easy to do?
>>>>
>>>> -Bob
>>>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>> I'm not against it and I'm aware of the fact that pages tend to become out
>>> of date.
>>> Since every page has a history as you can see in the attached, adding
>>> another date
>>> seems needles.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>> Hi Doron,
>>
>> I was thinking of something very simple - a clear text date on ever page
>> on the Wiki.
>>
>> I can't see anything that looks like your attached picture of menus on
>> this page, for example:
>> http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
>>
>> Do you have to log in to see that menu? If so, that's not very helpful
>> to those without accounts...
> 1. So create an account, it's free :-)
>
> 2. It's indeed *shown* only to logged in users, but the links are accessible
> to everyone. You can "guess" them by looking at any other mediawiki site.
> E.g. for this page, the history one is:
>
> http://www.ovirt.org/index.php?title=Features/Self_Hosted_Engine&action=history
I trust we can both agree we could do better, without too much trouble.
We want to make our Wiki pages as easy to use and as helpful as possible
to everyone, not just people with accounts who have logged in before
searching for information, or who know how to do magical transformations
on Wiki URLs to determine the date ;)
I'm not trying to be critical of where we are now - just trying to
establish a baseline of what we should hope to achieve.
Regards,
Bob
Hi Bob, What I'd love to see is a way for people to flag content out-of-date. "Last updated" doesn't tell you about the feature that is stable and unchanged since 3.0, nor does it tell you that the feature is in constant flux and the latest commit just changed everything. You need 2 dates for maximum usefulness: "Last updated", and "Flagged out of date" - if last updated is after the flagged date, something is wrong (flag should have been removed). If the flag is there then the page needs updating. Ideally, flagging the page would indicate the reason for the flag. Anyone know how you'd do this in a maintainable way in MediaWiki? Cheers, Dave. On 03/13/2014 05:53 PM, Bob Doolittle wrote:
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
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The problem with (the obvious implementation of) a flag like that is you have to trust everybody in order to believe it. Let's face it, we've all been newbs at one time or another. Operator error happens all the time. If just anybody can flag a page as "out of date" (and if it only takes one vote), is the flag actually useful? Probably not. Seems like a good candidate for crowd sourcing. What if we could vote (up or down) on the usefulness of a page? What if old votes timed out so you always saw a reasonably current indication (I suppose a vote of 0 might also indicate a page nobody visits any more). This would flag pages that need work, and also pages that are very helpful so need vigilance to keep them so. A place for talking about the page would also be useful (may be already there, I don't think I ever had a login for the Wiki). Sounds hard to do, but one can dream. Maybe somebody has a clever idea of how to do this. A date should be pretty easy, though ;) -Bob On 03/14/2014 01:16 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi Bob,
What I'd love to see is a way for people to flag content out-of-date. "Last updated" doesn't tell you about the feature that is stable and unchanged since 3.0, nor does it tell you that the feature is in constant flux and the latest commit just changed everything.
You need 2 dates for maximum usefulness: "Last updated", and "Flagged out of date" - if last updated is after the flagged date, something is wrong (flag should have been removed). If the flag is there then the page needs updating. Ideally, flagging the page would indicate the reason for the flag.
Anyone know how you'd do this in a maintainable way in MediaWiki?
Cheers, Dave.
On 03/13/2014 05:53 PM, Bob Doolittle wrote:
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
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Il 14/03/2014 18:16, Dave Neary ha scritto:
Hi Bob,
What I'd love to see is a way for people to flag content out-of-date. "Last updated" doesn't tell you about the feature that is stable and unchanged since 3.0, nor does it tell you that the feature is in constant flux and the latest commit just changed everything.
You need 2 dates for maximum usefulness: "Last updated", and "Flagged out of date" - if last updated is after the flagged date, something is wrong (flag should have been removed). If the flag is there then the page needs updating. Ideally, flagging the page would indicate the reason for the flag.
Anyone know how you'd do this in a maintainable way in MediaWiki?
Looking at mediawiki the only way I see is flagging all pages not updated in the last month with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Outdated And having people to review them. I'm not sure if a bot can do the work of automatically flagging all pages not updated.
Cheers, Dave.
On 03/13/2014 05:53 PM, Bob Doolittle wrote:
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
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I would have no issue manually doing this, but the problem is as soon as I do, every page will automatically be updated to today's date with my name as soon as I hit "Save." So a bot might be good. Or a template change. BKP ----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandro Bonazzola" <sbonazzo@redhat.com> To: "Dave Neary" <nearyd@gmail.com>, "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com>, "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:03:23 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Il 14/03/2014 18:16, Dave Neary ha scritto:
Hi Bob,
What I'd love to see is a way for people to flag content out-of-date. "Last updated" doesn't tell you about the feature that is stable and unchanged since 3.0, nor does it tell you that the feature is in constant flux and the latest commit just changed everything.
You need 2 dates for maximum usefulness: "Last updated", and "Flagged out of date" - if last updated is after the flagged date, something is wrong (flag should have been removed). If the flag is there then the page needs updating. Ideally, flagging the page would indicate the reason for the flag.
Anyone know how you'd do this in a maintainable way in MediaWiki?
Looking at mediawiki the only way I see is flagging all pages not updated in the last month with
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Outdated
And having people to review them. I'm not sure if a bot can do the work of automatically flagging all pages not updated.
Cheers, Dave.
On 03/13/2014 05:53 PM, Bob Doolittle wrote:
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
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Il 17/03/2014 13:15, Brian Proffitt ha scritto:
I would have no issue manually doing this, but the problem is as soon as I do, every page will automatically be updated to today's date with my name as soon as I hit "Save." So a bot might be good. Or a template change.
I guess we can just go over http://www.ovirt.org/Special:AncientPages, contact owner / writer of the page / feature and ask him / her to update to current status.
BKP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandro Bonazzola" <sbonazzo@redhat.com> To: "Dave Neary" <nearyd@gmail.com>, "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com>, "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:03:23 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Il 14/03/2014 18:16, Dave Neary ha scritto:
Hi Bob,
What I'd love to see is a way for people to flag content out-of-date. "Last updated" doesn't tell you about the feature that is stable and unchanged since 3.0, nor does it tell you that the feature is in constant flux and the latest commit just changed everything.
You need 2 dates for maximum usefulness: "Last updated", and "Flagged out of date" - if last updated is after the flagged date, something is wrong (flag should have been removed). If the flag is there then the page needs updating. Ideally, flagging the page would indicate the reason for the flag.
Anyone know how you'd do this in a maintainable way in MediaWiki?
Looking at mediawiki the only way I see is flagging all pages not updated in the last month with
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Outdated
And having people to review them. I'm not sure if a bot can do the work of automatically flagging all pages not updated.
Cheers, Dave.
On 03/13/2014 05:53 PM, Bob Doolittle wrote:
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
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FYI, I am in discussion with the sysadmin for OSAS to build a script to perhaps stick a universal "Lastupdated..." field on every page, down by the footer. That should do it. BKP ----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandro Bonazzola" <sbonazzo@redhat.com> To: "Brian Proffitt" <bproffit@redhat.com> Cc: "Dave Neary" <nearyd@gmail.com>, "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com>, "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:26:19 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Il 17/03/2014 13:15, Brian Proffitt ha scritto:
I would have no issue manually doing this, but the problem is as soon as I do, every page will automatically be updated to today's date with my name as soon as I hit "Save." So a bot might be good. Or a template change.
I guess we can just go over http://www.ovirt.org/Special:AncientPages, contact owner / writer of the page / feature and ask him / her to update to current status.
BKP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandro Bonazzola" <sbonazzo@redhat.com> To: "Dave Neary" <nearyd@gmail.com>, "Bob Doolittle" <bob@doolittle.us.com>, "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:03:23 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Request for Wiki - dates
Il 14/03/2014 18:16, Dave Neary ha scritto:
Hi Bob,
What I'd love to see is a way for people to flag content out-of-date. "Last updated" doesn't tell you about the feature that is stable and unchanged since 3.0, nor does it tell you that the feature is in constant flux and the latest commit just changed everything.
You need 2 dates for maximum usefulness: "Last updated", and "Flagged out of date" - if last updated is after the flagged date, something is wrong (flag should have been removed). If the flag is there then the page needs updating. Ideally, flagging the page would indicate the reason for the flag.
Anyone know how you'd do this in a maintainable way in MediaWiki?
Looking at mediawiki the only way I see is flagging all pages not updated in the last month with
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Outdated
And having people to review them. I'm not sure if a bot can do the work of automatically flagging all pages not updated.
Cheers, Dave.
On 03/13/2014 05:53 PM, Bob Doolittle wrote:
Hi,
As most are aware, there's a lot of information on the Ovirt Wiki that's out of date. In spite of our best efforts, that will probably always be true - it's the nature of Wikis.
When I look for information on our Wiki, I never know where the most current information is.
I think it would be really helpful if someplace on each Wiki page was a useful date to let us know the currency of the info. Probably the most useful date is last-modified, although creation date might also be useful. Maybe we could even map/display the date to the version number of whatever the current stable release was at the time for context (sometimes the content of a page calls out a particular version it's addressing, but a lot of the time it does not).
Just as an example, I want to find out about migrating my existing configuration to self-hosted, using 3.4 RC2. A google search shows the following links (in order shown):
http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine http://www.ovirt.org/Hosted_Engine_Howto ...
I'm sure the Features page is ancient at this point. It's hard to tell about the 2nd page.
Of course the date a page was last modified doesn't directly indicate how correct/current the information is, but there's a correlation. Knowing the date would be useful in making a judgment. It might even help the task of identifying and cleaning up obsolete pages.
Easy to do?
-Bob
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