HP ProLiant ML10 v2 or ML110 Gen9 with Windows Server Essentials 2012 R2 guest

Hi, I planned for a new customer to use oVirt instead of competitor virtualization. Here are the environment: Server choices: 1. HP ProLiant ML10 v2: 1x Dual Core 3,1GHz with 12GB RAM 2. HP ProLiant ML110 Gen9: 1x Xeon 1,6GHz with 12GB RAM Harddisk: - Raid1 on two SATA 2TB drives Guests: - 1x Windows Server Essentials 2012 R2 - 2x CentOS 7 Clients: - 6 Windows Clients Will the ML10 v2 server serve the needed performance? Because its a way cheaper than the ML110. And will Windows Server 2012 run in oVirt, because on my test machine (HP ProLiant ML350 G5) it didn't (maybe the CPU is to old). regards gregor

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:56 PM, gregor <gregor_forum@catrix.at> wrote:
Hi,
I planned for a new customer to use oVirt instead of competitor virtualization.
Here are the environment:
Server choices: 1. HP ProLiant ML10 v2: 1x Dual Core 3,1GHz with 12GB RAM 2. HP ProLiant ML110 Gen9: 1x Xeon 1,6GHz with 12GB RAM
What you really need to compare first of all are the processors, where more cores is (usually) preferred, then memory speed and lastly, expandability. But of course, it really depends on budget and use case (for example, if IO is critical, I'd spend more on higher performing drives / more drives / caching). There's no clear cut winner here, especially without knowing the price difference and use case. Y.
Harddisk: - Raid1 on two SATA 2TB drives
Guests: - 1x Windows Server Essentials 2012 R2 - 2x CentOS 7
Clients: - 6 Windows Clients
Will the ML10 v2 server serve the needed performance? Because its a way cheaper than the ML110. And will Windows Server 2012 run in oVirt, because on my test machine (HP ProLiant ML350 G5) it didn't (maybe the CPU is to old).
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The price is nearly double ML10 v2 about 900€ and ML110 Gen9 about 1800€ but the ML10 has only 2 cores and the ML110 6 cores. Thanks for the hints I will compare different vendors too. The use case is very simple: - 6 clients - 1 windows server to manage the clients - 1 linux server for nagios, controller for wifi and other stuff - 1 linux server for the firewall regards gregor On 17/01/16 14:23, Yaniv Kaul wrote:
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:56 PM, gregor <gregor_forum@catrix.at <mailto:gregor_forum@catrix.at>> wrote:
Hi,
I planned for a new customer to use oVirt instead of competitor virtualization.
Here are the environment:
Server choices: 1. HP ProLiant ML10 v2: 1x Dual Core 3,1GHz with 12GB RAM 2. HP ProLiant ML110 Gen9: 1x Xeon 1,6GHz with 12GB RAM
What you really need to compare first of all are the processors, where more cores is (usually) preferred, then memory speed and lastly, expandability. But of course, it really depends on budget and use case (for example, if IO is critical, I'd spend more on higher performing drives / more drives / caching). There's no clear cut winner here, especially without knowing the price difference and use case. Y.
Harddisk: - Raid1 on two SATA 2TB drives
Guests: - 1x Windows Server Essentials 2012 R2 - 2x CentOS 7
Clients: - 6 Windows Clients
Will the ML10 v2 server serve the needed performance? Because its a way cheaper than the ML110. And will Windows Server 2012 run in oVirt, because on my test machine (HP ProLiant ML350 G5) it didn't (maybe the CPU is to old).
regards gregor _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Once upon a time, gregor <gregor_forum@catrix.at> said:
And will Windows Server 2012 run in oVirt, because on my test machine (HP ProLiant ML350 G5) it didn't (maybe the CPU is to old).
I just went through trying to get Windows Server 2012 Essentials (both "original" and R2) running on a cluster with Nehalem CPUs, and it would blue-screen during install. I replicated the problem on my Fedora desktop with plain KVM set up to emulate a Nehalem CPU. When I switched to Westmere or newer, Windows worked. This appears to be some difference between Essentials and Standard edition (I am running Windows Server 2012 Standard VMs on my cluster just fine). A co-worker searching around on the Internet also found some VirtualBox users having similar issues with Essentials. So, with Westmere or newer CPU, I think Essentials should be okay, but don't try it with Nehalem. -- Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>

Thank you, I realized the same hours ago and play currently with qemu on my machine to see if this works. The host CPU on my workstation is: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 Here the Westmere cpu setting worked. On the server I configured for my customer I choose an Intel Xeon E5-2603V3 Link to the specification: http://ark.intel.com/products/83349/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2603-v3-15M-Cach... regards gregor On 17/01/16 16:22, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, gregor <gregor_forum@catrix.at> said:
And will Windows Server 2012 run in oVirt, because on my test machine (HP ProLiant ML350 G5) it didn't (maybe the CPU is to old).
I just went through trying to get Windows Server 2012 Essentials (both "original" and R2) running on a cluster with Nehalem CPUs, and it would blue-screen during install. I replicated the problem on my Fedora desktop with plain KVM set up to emulate a Nehalem CPU. When I switched to Westmere or newer, Windows worked.
This appears to be some difference between Essentials and Standard edition (I am running Windows Server 2012 Standard VMs on my cluster just fine). A co-worker searching around on the Internet also found some VirtualBox users having similar issues with Essentials.
So, with Westmere or newer CPU, I think Essentials should be okay, but don't try it with Nehalem.

Update: With the HP Proliant ML110 Gen9 and the Cpu "Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2603 v3 @ 1.60GHz" Windows Server Essentials 2012 R2 works. regards gregor On 17/01/16 17:21, gregor wrote:
Thank you, I realized the same hours ago and play currently with qemu on my machine to see if this works. The host CPU on my workstation is: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 Here the Westmere cpu setting worked.
On the server I configured for my customer I choose an Intel Xeon E5-2603V3
Link to the specification: http://ark.intel.com/products/83349/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2603-v3-15M-Cach...
regards gregor
On 17/01/16 16:22, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, gregor <gregor_forum@catrix.at> said:
And will Windows Server 2012 run in oVirt, because on my test machine (HP ProLiant ML350 G5) it didn't (maybe the CPU is to old).
I just went through trying to get Windows Server 2012 Essentials (both "original" and R2) running on a cluster with Nehalem CPUs, and it would blue-screen during install. I replicated the problem on my Fedora desktop with plain KVM set up to emulate a Nehalem CPU. When I switched to Westmere or newer, Windows worked.
This appears to be some difference between Essentials and Standard edition (I am running Windows Server 2012 Standard VMs on my cluster just fine). A co-worker searching around on the Internet also found some VirtualBox users having similar issues with Essentials.
So, with Westmere or newer CPU, I think Essentials should be okay, but don't try it with Nehalem.
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