[Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations
I have an environment where I would like to be able to provide users with a single web interface from which they would be able to open a console on either a virtual machine or on a physical machine. Playing with a clean install of oVirt 3.1 suggests that oVirt is not capable of doing this. Has anyone successfully configured oVirt to provide this capability, or know of a system that could integrate with oVirt to meet that requirement? -- Randall Wood Alexandria Software http://www.alexandriasoftware.com randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com 202.683.8604
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Wood" <randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com> To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 3:34:16 PM Subject: [Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations
I have an environment where I would like to be able to provide users with a single web interface from which they would be able to open a console on either a virtual machine or on a physical machine. Playing with a clean install of oVirt 3.1 suggests that oVirt is not capable of doing this.
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine. When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
Has anyone successfully configured oVirt to provide this capability, or know of a system that could integrate with oVirt to meet that requirement? -- Randall Wood Alexandria Software http://www.alexandriasoftware.com randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com 202.683.8604 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
On 07/20/2012 11:13 PM, Randall Wood wrote:
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
which protocol would you expect users to use to gain access to this physical machines?
On Jul 20, 2012, at 16:30, Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> wrote:
On 07/20/2012 11:13 PM, Randall Wood wrote:
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
which protocol would you expect users to use to gain access to this physical machines?
I would prefer SPICE, but could use SPICE, VNC, or RDP.
Hi, Randall! What you need is a "broker", and a terminal server is working as a "broker". There are several solutions that will work, but first I would want to know why you need physical machines? Are there demanding graphical applications you're going to run, or...? Rgrds Johan -----users-bounces@ovirt.org skrev: ----- Till: Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> Från: Randall Wood Sänt av: users-bounces@ovirt.org Datum: 2012.07.20 22:37 Kopia: "users@ovirt.org" <users@ovirt.org> Ärende: Re: [Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations On Jul 20, 2012, at 16:30, Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> wrote:
On 07/20/2012 11:13 PM, Randall Wood wrote:
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
which protocol would you expect users to use to gain access to this physical machines?
I would prefer SPICE, but could use SPICE, VNC, or RDP. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Sorry for the delay in responding. I have a set of users (about 50) who have Linux workstations at their desks. These users have root access to these workstations, and these workstations are frequently host VMs or are used for hardware driver development and support. These users have access to a pool of managed Windows 7 VMs (for MS Office applications) in oVirt, so they are already using the oVirt user portal. I would like to give these users remote access to their workstations (from thin clients in conference rooms, from home, from corporate laptops on the road, etc) using the same User Portal that they already use for the Windows VMs. VMware View and Citrix XenDesktop support providing users access to a mixed set of managed-virtual-machine or unmanaged-physical-or-virtual-machine through a single broker, but neither of them support access to Linux desktops. On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Johan Kragsterman <johan.kragsterman@capvert.se> wrote:
Hi, Randall!
What you need is a "broker", and a terminal server is working as a "broker". There are several solutions that will work, but first I would want to know why you need physical machines? Are there demanding graphical applications you're going to run, or...?
Rgrds Johan
-----users-bounces@ovirt.org skrev: ----- Till: Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> Från: Randall Wood Sänt av: users-bounces@ovirt.org Datum: 2012.07.20 22:37 Kopia: "users@ovirt.org" <users@ovirt.org> Ärende: Re: [Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations
On Jul 20, 2012, at 16:30, Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> wrote:
On 07/20/2012 11:13 PM, Randall Wood wrote:
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
which protocol would you expect users to use to gain access to this physical machines?
I would prefer SPICE, but could use SPICE, VNC, or RDP. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
-- Randall Wood Alexandria Software http://www.alexandriasoftware.com randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com 202.683.8604
Hi, Have you looked at Teradici PCoIP? They have a hardware solution based on a PCIe card in the host machine, and a PCoIP thin client. The performance is stunning. You don't even notice that you're connected to a thin client. I'm using this on a daily basis myself. To get a broker you can use Leostream's Connection Broker which supports Teradici PCoIP both for Windows and Linux. You will be needing the thin client when connecting. I don't think you can use a software client to connect to the physical machines. You can ask Leostream about this. See the following youtube video for more info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWjhAHDQZ7E This solution is for physical machines, not virtual machines. Regards, Siggi On Thu, August 2, 2012 14:44, Randall Wood wrote:
Sorry for the delay in responding.
I have a set of users (about 50) who have Linux workstations at their desks. These users have root access to these workstations, and these workstations are frequently host VMs or are used for hardware driver development and support. These users have access to a pool of managed Windows 7 VMs (for MS Office applications) in oVirt, so they are already using the oVirt user portal. I would like to give these users remote access to their workstations (from thin clients in conference rooms, from home, from corporate laptops on the road, etc) using the same User Portal that they already use for the Windows VMs.
VMware View and Citrix XenDesktop support providing users access to a mixed set of managed-virtual-machine or unmanaged-physical-or-virtual-machine through a single broker, but neither of them support access to Linux desktops.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Johan Kragsterman <johan.kragsterman@capvert.se> wrote:
Hi, Randall!
What you need is a "broker", and a terminal server is working as a "broker". There are several solutions that will work, but first I would want to know why you need physical machines? Are there demanding graphical applications you're going to run, or...?
Rgrds Johan
-----users-bounces@ovirt.org skrev: ----- Till: Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> Från: Randall Wood Sänt av: users-bounces@ovirt.org Datum: 2012.07.20 22:37 Kopia: "users@ovirt.org" <users@ovirt.org> Ärende: Re: [Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations
On Jul 20, 2012, at 16:30, Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> wrote:
On 07/20/2012 11:13 PM, Randall Wood wrote:
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
which protocol would you expect users to use to gain access to this physical machines?
I would prefer SPICE, but could use SPICE, VNC, or RDP. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
-- Randall Wood Alexandria Software http://www.alexandriasoftware.com randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com 202.683.8604 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
On 08/02/2012 03:44 PM, Randall Wood wrote:
Sorry for the delay in responding.
I have a set of users (about 50) who have Linux workstations at their desks. These users have root access to these workstations, and these workstations are frequently host VMs or are used for hardware driver development and support. These users have access to a pool of managed Windows 7 VMs (for MS Office applications) in oVirt, so they are already using the oVirt user portal. I would like to give these users remote access to their workstations (from thin clients in conference rooms, from home, from corporate laptops on the road, etc) using the same User Portal that they already use for the Windows VMs.
VMware View and Citrix XenDesktop support providing users access to a mixed set of managed-virtual-machine or unmanaged-physical-or-virtual-machine through a single broker, but neither of them support access to Linux desktops.
which protocol would they be using to connect to their workstations (vnc? xspice? other)? yes, sounds like the "meta portal" approach we had in the past, but would need some coding to allow this in the current user portal. hmmm, another approach which may be less intrusive than meta portal approach (but still requires some time) is for UI plugins for user portal, allowing you to write a plugin getting details of machines per user and showing them in the user portal via a plugin. but nothing immediate/existing for this
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Johan Kragsterman <johan.kragsterman@capvert.se> wrote:
Hi, Randall!
What you need is a "broker", and a terminal server is working as a "broker". There are several solutions that will work, but first I would want to know why you need physical machines? Are there demanding graphical applications you're going to run, or...?
Rgrds Johan
-----users-bounces@ovirt.org skrev: ----- Till: Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> Från: Randall Wood Sänt av: users-bounces@ovirt.org Datum: 2012.07.20 22:37 Kopia: "users@ovirt.org" <users@ovirt.org> Ärende: Re: [Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations
On Jul 20, 2012, at 16:30, Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> wrote:
On 07/20/2012 11:13 PM, Randall Wood wrote:
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
which protocol would you expect users to use to gain access to this physical machines?
I would prefer SPICE, but could use SPICE, VNC, or RDP. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Hi! You can check out thinlinc, a system developed by Cendio. I've been using that a lot, and they support both H/W and S/W clients. You can download it for free for testing or for up to 10 users. http://www.cendio.com/ Rgrds Johan -----Randall Wood <randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com> skrev: ----- Till: Johan Kragsterman <johan.kragsterman@capvert.se> Från: Randall Wood <randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com> Datum: 2012.08.02 14:44 Kopia: "users@ovirt.org" <users@ovirt.org> Ärende: Re: [Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations Sorry for the delay in responding. I have a set of users (about 50) who have Linux workstations at their desks. These users have root access to these workstations, and these workstations are frequently host VMs or are used for hardware driver development and support. These users have access to a pool of managed Windows 7 VMs (for MS Office applications) in oVirt, so they are already using the oVirt user portal. I would like to give these users remote access to their workstations (from thin clients in conference rooms, from home, from corporate laptops on the road, etc) using the same User Portal that they already use for the Windows VMs. VMware View and Citrix XenDesktop support providing users access to a mixed set of managed-virtual-machine or unmanaged-physical-or-virtual-machine through a single broker, but neither of them support access to Linux desktops. On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Johan Kragsterman <johan.kragsterman@capvert.se> wrote:
Hi, Randall!
What you need is a "broker", and a terminal server is working as a "broker". There are several solutions that will work, but first I would want to know why you need physical machines? Are there demanding graphical applications you're going to run, or...?
Rgrds Johan
-----users-bounces@ovirt.org skrev: ----- Till: Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> Från: Randall Wood Sänt av: users-bounces@ovirt.org Datum: 2012.07.20 22:37 Kopia: "users@ovirt.org" <users@ovirt.org> Ärende: Re: [Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations
On Jul 20, 2012, at 16:30, Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> wrote:
On 07/20/2012 11:13 PM, Randall Wood wrote:
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
which protocol would you expect users to use to gain access to this physical machines?
I would prefer SPICE, but could use SPICE, VNC, or RDP. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
-- Randall Wood Alexandria Software http://www.alexandriasoftware.com randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com 202.683.8604
Potentially a combination of gnome boxes and xspice could do that. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Wood" <randall.h.wood@alexandriasoftware.com> To: "Andrew Cathrow" <acathrow@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 4:13:45 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Managing Remote Access to Physical Workstations
No. oVirt's focus is virtual machines so the user portal only lets you open up consoles on VMs managed by oVirt engine.
I thought so.
When you say physical machines - would they be Linux or could they be Windows? I might have an idea ......
The physical machines would all be RHEL, CentOS, or Fedora.
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