VM won't start if a Cinder disk is attached

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------=_Part_370_171547247.1506001347491 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack ocata cinder. I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and never goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the disk and stay in "starting up" state All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder Any ideas ? Thank you ! Maxence Sartiaux | System & Network Engineer Boulevard Initialis, 28 - 7000 Mons Tel : +32 (0)65 84 23 85 (ext: 6016) Fax : +32 (0)65 84 66 76 www.it-optics.com ------=_Part_370_171547247.1506001347491 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_371_349578632.1506001347492" ------=_Part_371_349578632.1506001347492 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><style type=3D'text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><= div style=3D'font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; colo= r: #000000'><style>p { margin: 0; }</style><div style=3D"font-family: arial= ,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"></div><div style=3D= "font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000">= <span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Hello</span></div><div style=3D"font-famil= y: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div><br></= div><div>I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with 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Hi, can you attach vdsm.log? Which version are you running? IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not possible, but should be possible since 4.1. Luca On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux@it-optics.com> wrote:
Hello
I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack ocata cinder.
I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and never goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the disk and stay in "starting up" state
All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster
Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder
Any ideas ?
Thank you !
Maxence Sartiaux | System & Network Engineer Boulevard Initialis, 28 - 7000 Mons Tel : +32 (0)65 84 23 85 <+32%2065%2084%2023%2085> (ext: 6016) Fax : +32 (0)65 84 66 76 <+32%2065%2084%2066%2076> www.it-optics.com
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------=_Part_224_2029487560.1506065507411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 Here's the vdsm.log from the time when i started the VM.=20 https://pastebin.com/MWdTR0Gr (i've omited glusterfs volume & server list l= ines to have something a bit more readable)=20 Ovirt version is 4.1.6.2-1.el7 (updated since the first mail)=20 Ceph 12.2.0=20 Cinder 10.0.5=20 The cinder disk is a second disk, it's not the system.=20 ----- Mail original ----- De: "Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto" <lorenzetto.luca@gmail.com>=20 =C3=80: "Maxence SARTIAUX" <msartiaux@it-optics.com>=20 Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org>=20 Envoy=C3=A9: Jeudi 21 Septembre 2017 22:49:07=20 Objet : Re: [ovirt-users] VM won't start if a Cinder disk is attached=20 Hi,=20 can you attach vdsm.log?=20 Which version are you running? IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not p= ossible, but should be possible since 4.1.=20 Luca=20 On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Maxence SARTIAUX < msartiaux@it-optics.com=
wrote:=20
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-ser= if; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-s= erif"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;">https://pastebin.com/MWdTR0Gr &= nbsp; (i've omited glusterfs volume & server list lines to have s= omething a bit more readable)</span></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, = helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></f= ont></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"f= ont-size: 13.3333px;">Ovirt version is 4.1.6.2-1.el7 (updated since the fir= st mail)</span></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif= "><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;">Ceph 12.2.0</span></font></div><div= <font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3= 333px;">Cinder 10.0.5</span></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetic= a, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></di= v><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size= : 13.3333px;">The cinder disk is a second disk, it's not the system.</span>= </font></div><div><br><hr id=3D"zwchr" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-f= amily: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style=3D"color:= rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; = font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;"><b>De: </b= "Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto" <lorenzetto.luca@gmail.com><br><b>=C3= =80: </b>"Maxence SARTIAUX" <msartiaux@it-optics.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"= users" <users@ovirt.org><br><b>Envoy=C3=A9: </b>Jeudi 21 Septembre 20= 17 22:49:07<br><b>Objet : </b>Re: [ovirt-users] VM won't start if a Ci= nder disk is attached<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>can yo= u attach vdsm.log?</div><div><br></div><div>Which version are you running? = IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not possible, but should be possible= since 4.1.</div><div><br></div><div>Luca</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
</div><div>Any ideas ?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you !<br><br><div><s=
Hello=20 I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack oca= ta cinder.=20 I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a = disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and nev= er goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the dis= k and stay in "starting up" state=20 All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the hy= pervisors can contact the ceph cluster=20 Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder=20 Any ideas ?=20 Thank you !=20 =09 Maxence Sartiaux | System & Network Engineer=20 Boulevard Initialis, 28 - 7000 Mons=20 Tel : =09+32 (0)65 84 23 85 (ext: 6016)=20 Fax : =09+32 (0)65 84 66 76 www.it-optics.com=20 _______________________________________________=20 Users mailing list=20 Users@ovirt.org=20 http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users=20 --=20 "E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare=20 calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle=20 macchine"=20 Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716)=20 "Internet =C3=A8 la pi=C3=B9 grande biblioteca del mondo.=20 Ma il problema =C3=A8 che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento"=20 John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente)=20 Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , < lorenzetto.luca@gmai= l.com >=20 ------=_Part_224_2029487560.1506065507411 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_225_1587862062.1506065507411" ------=_Part_225_1587862062.1506065507411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><style type=3D'text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><= div style=3D'font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; colo= r: #000000'><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font= -size: 10pt;">Hi,</span></font><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-fami= ly: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div style=3D= "color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:= 10pt;">Here's the vdsm.log from the time when i started the VM. </div= tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Maxenc= e SARTIAUX <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:msartiaux@it-optics.com"= target=3D"_blank">msartiaux@it-optics.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockq= uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans= -serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet= ica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"></div><div style=3D"font-famil= y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"><span style=3D"f= ont-size:10pt">Hello</span></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,= sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"><div><br></div><div>I have a ovirt= 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a <span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">ce= ph</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"> luminous & openstack ocat= a cinder.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I can create / remove / attach ci= nder disks with ovirt but when i attach a disk to a VM, the VM stay in "sta= rting mode" (double up arrow grey) and never goes up, ovirt try every avail= able hypervisors and end to detach the disk and stay in "starting up" state= </div><div><br></div><div>All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection tim= eout" nothing more, the hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster</div><div>= <br></div><div>Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder</div><div><br= pan></span><div><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'Lucida Grande',Verdana= ,Arial,Sans-Serif;border-top:1px #3a342c dotted"><br><table><tbody><tr><td>= <img src=3D"cid:91f9140b096b6d25c91e92aebb182b7307ecaa61@zimbra"></td><td><= div style=3D"font-family:'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,Sans-Serif;min-heigh= t:100px;line-height:17px;margin:0;padding:10px 0;font-size:11.5px;color:#3a= 342c;min-width:530px"><span style=3D"font-family:'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Ar= ial,Sans-Serif;font-weight:bold;color:#3a342c;font-size:12px">Maxence Sarti= aux | System & Network Engineer</span><br> Boulevard Initialis, 28 - 70= 00 Mons<br><table style=3D"font-size:11.5px;color:#3a342c;line-height:17px"= cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td width=3D"40">Tel :</td>= <td><a href=3D"tel:+32%2065%2084%2023%2085" target=3D"_blank">+32 (0)65 84 = 23 85</a> (ext: 6016)</td></tr><tr><td>Fax :</td><td><a href=3D"tel:+32%206= 5%2084%2066%2076" target=3D"_blank">+32 (0)65 84 66 76</a></td></tr></tbody=
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I see only this traceback: 2017-09-22 09:23:13,094+0200 ERROR (jsonrpc/2) [jsonrpc.JsonRpcServer] Internal server error (__init__:577) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yajsonrpc/__init__.py", line 572, in _handle_request res = method(**params) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/vdsm/rpc/Bridge.py", line 198, in _dynamicMethod result = fn(*methodArgs) File "/usr/share/vdsm/API.py", line 1454, in getAllVmIoTunePolicies io_tune_policies_dict = self._cif.getAllVmIoTunePolicies() File "/usr/share/vdsm/clientIF.py", line 454, in getAllVmIoTunePolicies 'current_values': v.getIoTune()} File "/usr/share/vdsm/virt/vm.py", line 2859, in getIoTune result = self.getIoTuneResponse() File "/usr/share/vdsm/virt/vm.py", line 2878, in getIoTuneResponse res = self._dom.blockIoTune( File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/vdsm/virt/virdomain.py", line 47, in __getattr__ % self.vmid) NotConnectedError: VM u'1fa7225c-7d60-4617-ab65-f7b6fea0357f' was not started yet or was shut down I've absolutely no idea what blockIoTune does and if it is related. Maybe someone with more experience about this setup can help. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux@it-optics.com> wrote:
Hi,
Here's the vdsm.log from the time when i started the VM.
https://pastebin.com/MWdTR0Gr (i've omited glusterfs volume & server list lines to have something a bit more readable)
Ovirt version is 4.1.6.2-1.el7 (updated since the first mail) Ceph 12.2.0 Cinder 10.0.5
The cinder disk is a second disk, it's not the system.
________________________________ De: "Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto" <lorenzetto.luca@gmail.com> À: "Maxence SARTIAUX" <msartiaux@it-optics.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Envoyé: Jeudi 21 Septembre 2017 22:49:07 Objet : Re: [ovirt-users] VM won't start if a Cinder disk is attached
Hi,
can you attach vdsm.log?
Which version are you running? IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not possible, but should be possible since 4.1.
Luca
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux@it-optics.com> wrote:
Hello
I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack ocata cinder.
I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and never goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the disk and stay in "starting up" state
All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster
Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder
Any ideas ?
Thank you !
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On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:54 PM Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux@it-optics.com> wrote:
Hi,
Here's the vdsm.log from the time when i started the VM.
https://pastebin.com/MWdTR0Gr (i've omited glusterfs volume & server list lines to have something a bit more readable)
Ovirt version is 4.1.6.2-1.el7 (updated since the first mail) Ceph 12.2.0 Cinder 10.0.5
Hi Maxence, It is hard to work using your pasted log, and I'm not sure about stuff you omitted from the log. Please attach complete logs from the time you started the vm. /var/log/vdsm/vdsm.log /var/log/libvirt/qemu/vdi-admin.log (vm name taken from the domain xml you posted) Also, can you access this disk using rbd command line? you will need to place ceph secret in /etc/ceph on the host to test this. You can also file ovirt bug, will make it easier to collect logs and track this issue. Nir
The cinder disk is a second disk, it's not the system.
------------------------------ *De: *"Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto" <lorenzetto.luca@gmail.com> *À: *"Maxence SARTIAUX" <msartiaux@it-optics.com> *Cc: *"users" <users@ovirt.org> *Envoyé: *Jeudi 21 Septembre 2017 22:49:07 *Objet : *Re: [ovirt-users] VM won't start if a Cinder disk is attached
Hi,
can you attach vdsm.log?
Which version are you running? IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not possible, but should be possible since 4.1.
Luca
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux@it-optics.com
wrote:
Hello
I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack ocata cinder.
I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and never goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the disk and stay in "starting up" state
All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster
Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder
Any ideas ?
Thank you !
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