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Hello
I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack ocata cinder.
I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a disk to a VM,
the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and never goes up, ovirt
try every available hypervisors and end to detach the disk and stay in "starting
up" state
All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the
hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster
Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder
Any ideas ?
Thank you !
Maxence Sartiaux | System & Network Engineer
Boulevard Initialis, 28 - 7000 Mons
Tel : +32 (0)65 84 23 85 (ext: 6016)
Fax : +32 (0)65 84 66 76 www.it-optics.com
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Hi,
can you attach vdsm.log?
Which version are you running? IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not
possible, but should be possible since 4.1.
Luca
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux(a)it-optics.com>
wrote:
Hello
I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack
ocata cinder.
I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a
disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and
never goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the
disk and stay in "starting up" state
All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the
hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster
Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder
Any ideas ?
Thank you !
Maxence Sartiaux | System & Network Engineer
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Hi,=20
Here's the vdsm.log from the time when i started the VM.=20
https://pastebin.com/MWdTR0Gr (i've omited glusterfs volume & server list l=
ines to have something a bit more readable)=20
Ovirt version is 4.1.6.2-1.el7 (updated since the first mail)=20
Ceph 12.2.0=20
Cinder 10.0.5=20
The cinder disk is a second disk, it's not the system.=20
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=C3=80: "Maxence SARTIAUX" <msartiaux(a)it-optics.com>=20
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Hi,=20
can you attach vdsm.log?=20
Which version are you running? IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not p=
ossible, but should be possible since 4.1.=20
Luca=20
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I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack oca=
ta cinder.=20
I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a =
disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and nev=
er goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the dis=
k and stay in "starting up" state=20
All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the hy=
pervisors can contact the ceph cluster=20
Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder=20
Any ideas ?=20
Thank you !=20
=09
Maxence Sartiaux | System & Network Engineer=20
Boulevard Initialis, 28 - 7000 Mons=20
Tel : =09+32 (0)65 84 23 85 (ext: 6016)=20
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r: #000000'><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span
style=3D"font=
-size: 10pt;">Hi,</span></font><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-fami=
ly: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div
style=3D=
"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:=
10pt;">Here's the vdsm.log from the time when i started the
VM. </div=
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial,
helvetica, sans-ser=
if; font-size:
10pt;"><br></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica,
sans-s=
erif"><span style=3D"font-size:
13.3333px;">https://pastebin.com/MWdTR0Gr &=
nbsp; (i've omited glusterfs volume & server list lines to have s=
omething a bit more readable)</span></font></div><div><font
face=3D"arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:
13.3333px;"><br></span></f=
ont></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 13.3333px;">Ovirt version is 4.1.6.2-1.el7 (updated since the fir=
st mail)</span></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial,
helvetica, sans-serif=
"><span style=3D"font-size: 13.3333px;">Ceph
12.2.0</span></font></div><div=
<font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span
style=3D"font-size: 13.3=
333px;">Cinder
10.0.5</span></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial,
helvetic=
a, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:
13.3333px;"><br></span></font></di=
v><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span
style=3D"font-size=
: 13.3333px;">The cinder disk is a second disk, it's not the
system.</span>=
</font></div><div><br><hr id=3D"zwchr"
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-f=
amily: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div
style=3D"color:=
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; =
font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;"><b>De:
</b=
"Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto"
&lt;lorenzetto.luca(a)gmail.com&gt;<br><b>=C3=
=80:
</b>"Maxence SARTIAUX"
&lt;msartiaux(a)it-optics.com&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"=
users" &lt;users(a)ovirt.org&gt;<br><b>Envoy=C3=A9: </b>Jeudi
21 Septembre 20=
17 22:49:07<br><b>Objet : </b>Re: [ovirt-users] VM won't
start if a Ci=
nder disk is attached<br><br><div
dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>can yo=
u attach vdsm.log?</div><div><br></div><div>Which version
are you running? =
IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not possible, but should be possible=
since
4.1.</div><div><br></div><div>Luca</div></div><div
class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at
3:42 PM, Maxenc=
e SARTIAUX <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:msartiaux@it-optics.com"=
target=3D"_blank">msartiaux(a)it-optics.com</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
=
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"><div
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"></div><div
style=3D"font-famil=
y:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"><span
style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt">Hello</span></div><div
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000"><div><br></div><div>I
have a ovirt=
4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a <span
style=3D"font-size:13.3333px">ce=
ph</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"> luminous &
openstack ocat=
a cinder.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I can create
/ remove / attach ci=
nder disks with ovirt but when i attach a disk to a VM, the VM stay in "sta=
rting mode" (double up arrow grey) and never goes up, ovirt try every avail=
able hypervisors and end to detach the disk and stay in "starting up" state=
</div><div><br></div><div>All i see in the libvirt logs are
"connection tim=
eout" nothing more, the hypervisors can contact the ceph
cluster</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Nothing related in the ovirt logs &
cinder</div><div><br=
</div><div>Any ideas
?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you
!<br><br><div><s=
pan></span><div><br></div><div
style=3D"font-family:'Lucida Grande',Verdana=
,Arial,Sans-Serif;border-top:1px #3a342c
dotted"><br><table><tbody><tr><td>=
<img
src=3D"cid:91f9140b096b6d25c91e92aebb182b7307ecaa61@zimbra"></td><td><=
div style=3D"font-family:'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,Sans-Serif;min-heigh=
t:100px;line-height:17px;margin:0;padding:10px 0;font-size:11.5px;color:#3a=
342c;min-width:530px"><span style=3D"font-family:'Lucida
Grande',Verdana,Ar=
ial,Sans-Serif;font-weight:bold;color:#3a342c;font-size:12px">Maxence Sarti=
aux | System & Network Engineer</span><br> Boulevard Initialis, 28 -
70=
00 Mons<br><table
style=3D"font-size:11.5px;color:#3a342c;line-height:17px"=
cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td
width=3D"40">Tel :</td>=
<td><a href=3D"tel:+32%2065%2084%2023%2085"
target=3D"_blank">+32 (0)65 84 =
23 85</a> (ext: 6016)</td></tr><tr><td>Fax
:</td><td><a href=3D"tel:+32%206=
5%2084%2066%2076" target=3D"_blank">+32 (0)65 84 66
76</a></td></tr></tbody=
</table><a href=3D"http://www.it-optics.com/"
style=3D"font-family:'Lucida=
Grande',Verdana,Arial,Sans-Serif;color:#3676af;text-decoration:none;border=
-bottom:1px #333333 dotted;font-size:11.5px" target=3D"_blank"> <span
style=
=3D"color:#3385cf">www.it-optics.com</span>
</a></div></td></tr></tbody></t=
able></div><span></span><br></div></div></div></div></div><br>_____________=
__________________________________<br
5 a.m.
I see only this traceback:
2017-09-22 09:23:13,094+0200 ERROR (jsonrpc/2) [jsonrpc.JsonRpcServer]
Internal server error (__init__:577)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/yajsonrpc/__init__.py", line
572, in _handle_request
res = method(**params)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/vdsm/rpc/Bridge.py", line
198, in _dynamicMethod
result = fn(*methodArgs)
File "/usr/share/vdsm/API.py", line 1454, in getAllVmIoTunePolicies
io_tune_policies_dict = self._cif.getAllVmIoTunePolicies()
File "/usr/share/vdsm/clientIF.py", line 454, in getAllVmIoTunePolicies
'current_values': v.getIoTune()}
File "/usr/share/vdsm/virt/vm.py", line 2859, in getIoTune
result = self.getIoTuneResponse()
File "/usr/share/vdsm/virt/vm.py", line 2878, in getIoTuneResponse
res = self._dom.blockIoTune(
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/vdsm/virt/virdomain.py", line
47, in __getattr__
% self.vmid)
NotConnectedError: VM u'1fa7225c-7d60-4617-ab65-f7b6fea0357f' was not
started yet or was shut down
I've absolutely no idea what blockIoTune does and if it is related.
Maybe someone with more experience about this setup can help.
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Maxence SARTIAUX
<msartiaux(a)it-optics.com> wrote:
Hi,
Here's the vdsm.log from the time when i started the VM.
https://pastebin.com/MWdTR0Gr (i've omited glusterfs volume & server list
lines to have something a bit more readable)
Ovirt version is 4.1.6.2-1.el7 (updated since the first mail)
Ceph 12.2.0
Cinder 10.0.5
The cinder disk is a second disk, it's not the system.
________________________________
De: "Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto" <lorenzetto.luca(a)gmail.com>
À: "Maxence SARTIAUX" <msartiaux(a)it-optics.com>
Cc: "users" <users(a)ovirt.org>
Envoyé: Jeudi 21 Septembre 2017 22:49:07
Objet : Re: [ovirt-users] VM won't start if a Cinder disk is attached
Hi,
can you attach vdsm.log?
Which version are you running? IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not
possible, but should be possible since 4.1.
Luca
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux(a)it-optics.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack
> ocata cinder.
>
> I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach a
> disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and
> never goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the
> disk and stay in "starting up" state
>
> All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the
> hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster
>
> Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Thank you !
>
>
>
> Maxence Sartiaux | System & Network Engineer
> Boulevard Initialis, 28 - 7000 Mons
> Tel :+32 (0)65 84 23 85 (ext: 6016)
> Fax :+32 (0)65 84 66 76
> www.it-optics.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users(a)ovirt.org
> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
--
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calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle
macchine"
Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716)
"Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo.
Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento"
John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente)
Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net ,
<lorenzetto.luca(a)gmail.com>
--
"E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare
calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle
macchine"
Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716)
"Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo.
Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento"
John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente)
Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net ,
<lorenzetto.luca(a)gmail.com>
3:13 a.m.
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:54 PM Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux(a)it-optics.com>
wrote:
Hi,
Here's the vdsm.log from the time when i started the VM.
https://pastebin.com/MWdTR0Gr (i've omited glusterfs volume & server
list lines to have something a bit more readable)
Ovirt version is 4.1.6.2-1.el7 (updated since the first mail)
Ceph 12.2.0
Cinder 10.0.5
Hi Maxence,
It is hard to work using your pasted log, and I'm not sure about stuff you
omitted from the log.
Please attach complete logs from the time you started the vm.
/var/log/vdsm/vdsm.log
/var/log/libvirt/qemu/vdi-admin.log
(vm name taken from the domain xml you posted)
Also, can you access this disk using rbd command line? you will need to
place
ceph secret in /etc/ceph on the host to test this.
You can also file ovirt bug, will make it easier to collect logs and track
this issue.
Nir
The cinder disk is a second disk, it's not the system.
------------------------------
*De: *"Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto" <lorenzetto.luca(a)gmail.com>
*À: *"Maxence SARTIAUX" <msartiaux(a)it-optics.com>
*Cc: *"users" <users(a)ovirt.org>
*Envoyé: *Jeudi 21 Septembre 2017 22:49:07
*Objet : *Re: [ovirt-users] VM won't start if a Cinder disk is attached
Hi,
can you attach vdsm.log?
Which version are you running? IIRC in the past booting from Ceph was not
possible, but should be possible since 4.1.
Luca
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Maxence SARTIAUX <msartiaux(a)it-optics.com
> wrote:
> Hello
>
> I have a ovirt 4.1.5.2-1 ovirt cluster with a ceph luminous & openstack
> ocata cinder.
>
> I can create / remove / attach cinder disks with ovirt but when i attach
> a disk to a VM, the VM stay in "starting mode" (double up arrow grey) and
> never goes up, ovirt try every available hypervisors and end to detach the
> disk and stay in "starting up" state
>
> All i see in the libvirt logs are "connection timeout" nothing more, the
> hypervisors can contact the ceph cluster
>
> Nothing related in the ovirt logs & cinder
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Thank you !
>
>
>
> [image: logo_mail-new.png]
> Maxence Sartiaux | System & Network Engineer
> Boulevard Initialis, 28 - 7000 Mons
> Tel : +32 (0)65 84 23 85 <+32%2065%2084%2023%2085> (ext: 6016)
> Fax : +32 (0)65 84 66 76 <+32%2065%2084%2066%2076> www.it-optics.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users(a)ovirt.org
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>
>
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calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle
macchine"
Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716)
"Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo.
Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento"
John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente)
Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , <
lorenzetto.luca(a)gmail.com>
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