[Users] Console defaults
Question: Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for the console? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only download a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the console on my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of yet and every time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my only option is VNC of which there are none that will open the .vv files. Thanks Christian -- --------------------------------------------------------------- This email, along with any attachments, is confidential. If you believe you received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of the message. Thank you.
Hello Christian, if you select noVNC in 'Console Options' for some VM, this choice should be remembered in your browser for this VM. So next time when you're connecting via VNC, noVNC client is used. Is this what you're looking for? Regards, Frantisek Kobzik. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Kolquist" <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:26:51 PM Subject: [Users] Console defaults Question: Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for the console? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only download a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the console on my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of yet and every time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my only option is VNC of which there are none that will open the .vv files. Thanks Christian --------------------------------------------------------------- This email, along with any attachments, is confidential. If you believe you received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of the message. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
I am asking for a way to make it to be the default for ALL vm's as we have multiple users working on this. Plus with over 30 vm's it is quite a pain to have each person to set each one individually (we haven't fully migrated over to 3.3 from 3.1 at the moment.) It does not scale to larger installations. On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Frantisek Kobzik <fkobzik@redhat.com> wrote:
Hello Christian,
if you select noVNC in 'Console Options' for some VM, this choice should be remembered in your browser for this VM. So next time when you're connecting via VNC, noVNC client is used. Is this what you're looking for?
Regards, Frantisek Kobzik.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Kolquist" <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:26:51 PM Subject: [Users] Console defaults
Question:
Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for the console? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only download a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the console on my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of yet and every time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my only option is VNC of which there are none that will open the .vv files.
Thanks Christian
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I am asking for a way to make it to be the default for ALL vm's as we = have multiple users working on this. Plus with over 30 vm's it is quite = a pain to have each person to set each one individually (we haven't = fully migrated over to 3.3 from 3.1 at the moment.) It does not scale = to larger installations. =20 =20 On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Frantisek Kobzik <fkobzik@redhat.com> = wrote: Hello Christian, =20 if you select noVNC in 'Console Options' for some VM, this choice = should be remembered in your browser for this VM. So next time when = you're connecting via VNC, noVNC client is used. Is this what you're = looking for? =20 Regards, Frantisek Kobzik. =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Kolquist" <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:26:51 PM Subject: [Users] Console defaults =20 Question: =20 Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for =
--Apple-Mail=_DF5032DE-8A51-4297-9CD2-7838B45B62D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 4 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Christian Kolquist wrote: the console? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only = download a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the = console on my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of = yet and every time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my = only option is VNC of which there are none that will open the .vv files. did you try http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client ? for VNC - associate the .vv with a TextEdit or something similar, and do = copy&paste of credentails as you were doing from the popup for noVNC, well, it's a per user and browser setting (for all VMs), but = no easy way how to set it in advance for many users. There is a global = option for SPICE to select either plugin or .vv, but that doesn't appl = to the new browser-only clinets. But that should be relatively easy to = implement=85Franta? Thanks, michal
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<div>did you try <a =
</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; = border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; =
--Apple-Mail=_DF5032DE-8A51-4297-9CD2-7838B45B62D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = "><br><div><div>On 4 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Christian Kolquist = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">I am asking for a way to make it to be = the default for ALL vm's as we have multiple users working on this. = Plus with over 30 vm's it is quite a pain to have each person to = set each one individually (we haven't fully migrated over to 3.3 from = 3.1 at the moment.) It does not scale to larger = installations.</div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, = Oct 4, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Frantisek Kobzik <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:fkobzik@redhat.com" = target=3D"_blank">fkobzik@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; = border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); = border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: = auto; ">Hello Christian,<br> <br> if you select noVNC in 'Console Options' for some VM, this choice should = be remembered in your browser for this VM. So next time when you're = connecting via VNC, noVNC client is used. Is this what you're looking = for?<br> <br> Regards,<br> Frantisek Kobzik.<br> <div><div class=3D"h5"><br> ----- Original Message -----<br> From: "Christian Kolquist" <<a = href=3D"mailto:ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com">ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com</a>>= ;<br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org">users@ovirt.org</a><br> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:26:51 PM<br> Subject: [Users] Console defaults<br> <br> Question:<br> <br> Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for = the console? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only = download a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the = console on my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of = yet and every time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my = only option is VNC of which there are none that will open the .vv = files.<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div= href=3D"http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client">http://www.spice-space= .org/page/OSX_Client</a> ?</div><div><br></div><div>for VNC - associate = the .vv with a TextEdit or something similar, and do copy&paste of = credentails as you were doing from the = popup</div><div><br></div><div>for noVNC, well, it's a per user and = browser setting (for all VMs), but no easy way how to set it in advance = for many users. There is a global option for SPICE to select either = plugin or .vv, but that doesn't appl to the new browser-only clinets. = But that should be relatively easy to = implement=85Franta?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>michal</div= padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div><div = class=3D"h5"> <br> Thanks<br> Christian<br> <br> <br> = </div></div>--------------------------------------------------------------= -<br> This email, along with any attachments, is confidential. If you<br> believe you received this message in error, please contact the<br> sender immediately and delete all copies of the message.<br> Thank you.<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Users mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org">Users@ovirt.org</a><br> <a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" = target=3D"_blank">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users</a><br> </blockquote></div><br></div> <br> = <div><br></div><div>------------------------------<wbr>-------------------= -----------<wbr>---</div><div>This email, along with any attachments, is = confidential. If you </div><div>believe you received this message = in error, please contact the </div><div>sender immediately and = delete all copies of the message. </div><div>Thank = you.</div>_______________________________________________<br>Users = mailing list<br><a = href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org">Users@ovirt.org</a><br>http://lists.ovirt.= org/mailman/listinfo/users<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_DF5032DE-8A51-4297-9CD2-7838B45B62D3--
Hello guys, let me just refine - the browser-side persistence applies per user and vm. Michal, you're right - there is no way to configure it engine-wide, but it wouldn't be a problem to implement it. Cheers, F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> To: "Christian Kolquist" <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> Cc: "Frantisek Kobzik" <fkobzik@redhat.com>, users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 9:03:42 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Console defaults On 4 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Christian Kolquist wrote:
I am asking for a way to make it to be the default for ALL vm's as we have multiple users working on this. Plus with over 30 vm's it is quite a pain to have each person to set each one individually (we haven't fully migrated over to 3.3 from 3.1 at the moment.) It does not scale to larger installations.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Frantisek Kobzik <fkobzik@redhat.com> wrote: Hello Christian,
if you select noVNC in 'Console Options' for some VM, this choice should be remembered in your browser for this VM. So next time when you're connecting via VNC, noVNC client is used. Is this what you're looking for?
Regards, Frantisek Kobzik.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Kolquist" <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:26:51 PM Subject: [Users] Console defaults
Question:
Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for the console? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only download a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the console on my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of yet and every time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my only option is VNC of which there are none that will open the .vv files.
did you try http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client ? for VNC - associate the .vv with a TextEdit or something similar, and do copy&paste of credentails as you were doing from the popup for noVNC, well, it's a per user and browser setting (for all VMs), but no easy way how to set it in advance for many users. There is a global option for SPICE to select either plugin or .vv, but that doesn't appl to the new browser-only clinets. But that should be relatively easy to implement…Franta? Thanks, michal
Thanks Christian
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--Apple-Mail=_BF1BBBE6-2131-4C6E-ADBB-6A98225B200F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Michal, yes I have tried it but it does not work. The fonts don't work and= it locks up on my system every time I attempt to launch it. =20 Christian On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> = wrote:
=20 On 4 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Christian Kolquist wrote: =20
I am asking for a way to make it to be the default for ALL vm's as we ha= ve multiple users working on this. Plus with over 30 vm's it is quite a pa= in to have each person to set each one individually (we haven't fully migra= ted over to 3.3 from 3.1 at the moment.) It does not scale to larger insta= llations. =20 =20 On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Frantisek Kobzik <fkobzik@redhat.com> wr= ote: Hello Christian, =20 if you select noVNC in 'Console Options' for some VM, this choice should= be remembered in your browser for this VM. So next time when you're connec= ting via VNC, noVNC client is used. Is this what you're looking for? =20 Regards, Frantisek Kobzik. =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Kolquist" <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:26:51 PM Subject: [Users] Console defaults =20 Question: =20 Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for th= e console? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only downl= oad a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the console= on my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of yet and ev= ery time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my only option is V= NC of which there are none that will open the .vv files. =20 did you try http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client ? =20 for VNC - associate the .vv with a TextEdit or something similar, and do = copy&paste of credentails as you were doing from the popup =20 for noVNC, well, it's a per user and browser setting (for all VMs), but n= o easy way how to set it in advance for many users. There is a global optio= n for SPICE to select either plugin or .vv, but that doesn't appl to the ne= w browser-only clinets. But that should be relatively easy to implement=85F= ranta? =20 Thanks, michal =20 =20 =20 Thanks Christian =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------------------- This email, along with any attachments, is confidential. If you believe you received this message in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of the message. Thank you. =20 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =20 =20 =20 --------------------------------------------------------------- This email, along with any attachments, is confidential. If you=20 believe you received this message in error, please contact the=20 sender immediately and delete all copies of the message. =20 Thank you. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =20
ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com</a>><br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org">users@ovirt.org</a><br> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:26:51 PM<br> Subject: [Users] Console defaults<br> <br> Question:<br> <br> Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for the c= onsole? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only download= a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the console on= my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of yet and every= time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my only option is VNC = of which there are none that will open the .vv files.<br></div></div></bloc= kquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>did you try <a hre= f=3D"http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client">http://www.spice-space.org= /page/OSX_Client</a> ?</div><div><br></div><div>for VNC - associate the .vv= with a TextEdit or something similar, and do copy&paste of credentails= as you were doing from the popup</div><div><br></div><div>for noVNC, well,= it's a per user and browser setting (for all VMs), but no easy way how to = set it in advance for many users. There is a global option for SPICE to sel= ect either plugin or .vv, but that doesn't appl to the new browser-only cli= nets. But that should be relatively easy to implement=85Franta?</div><div><= br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>michal</div></div><div><br></div><div><br><=
--=20 --------------------------------------------------------------- This email, along with any attachments, is confidential. If you=20 believe you received this message in error, please contact the=20 sender immediately and delete all copies of the message. =20 Thank you. --Apple-Mail=_BF1BBBE6-2131-4C6E-ADBB-6A98225B200F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset= =3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-= mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Michal, yes I ha= ve tried it but it does not work. The fonts don't work and it locks u= p on my system every time I attempt to launch it. </div><div><br></di= v><br><div apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color:= rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: no= rmal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orp= hans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizonta= l-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorati= ons-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-wi= dth: 0px; font-size: medium; ">Christian<br></span></div> <br><div><div>On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Michal Skrivanek <<a href=3D"m= ailto:michal.skrivanek@redhat.com">michal.skrivanek@redhat.com</a>> wrot= e:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><= div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-= break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 4 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Christia= n Kolquist wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">I am asking for a way to make it to be the d= efault for ALL vm's as we have multiple users working on this. Plus w= ith over 30 vm's it is quite a pain to have each person to set each one ind= ividually (we haven't fully migrated over to 3.3 from 3.1 at the moment.) &= nbsp;It does not scale to larger installations.</div> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 4= , 2013 at 8:58 AM, Frantisek Kobzik <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto= :fkobzik@redhat.com" target=3D"_blank">fkobzik@redhat.com</a>></span> wr= ote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0= px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-= left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex= ; position: static; z-index: auto; ">Hello Christian,<br> <br> if you select noVNC in 'Console Options' for some VM, this choice should be= remembered in your browser for this VM. So next time when you're connectin= g via VNC, noVNC client is used. Is this what you're looking for?<br> <br> Regards,<br> Frantisek Kobzik.<br> <div><div class=3D"h5"><br> ----- Original Message -----<br> From: "Christian Kolquist" <<a href=3D"mailto:ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com"= blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quo= te"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-righ= t: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; bor= der-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left:= 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div><div class=3D"h5"> <br> Thanks<br> Christian<br> <br> <br> </div></div>---------------------------------------------------------------= <br> This email, along with any attachments, is confidential. If you<br> believe you received this message in error, please contact the<br> sender immediately and delete all copies of the message.<br> Thank you.<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Users mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org">Users@ovirt.org</a><br> <a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" target=3D"_blank"=
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I've been experimenting with oVirt 3.2 on some old hardware, and am now preparing to buy new hardware for using oVirt 3.3 in production. I'm interested in any feedback about what I plan to purchase. I want to keep the setup as simple as possible. Our current environment consists of mostly CentOS 6.4 systems. The combined oVirt engine and file server will be a Dell R720 with dual Xeon E5-2660 and 64 GB of memory. The server would have an LSI 9207-8i HBA connected to the SAS backplane. The R720 enclosure has 16 x 2.5" disk slots. I would get 2 x 500 GB NLSAS drives for mirrored md rood (raid1), use 12 slots for RAID10 SAS 10K rpm drives (either 600 GB or 900 GB), and have an additional 2 spares. Data storage would be virtual machines, and some associated data. The O/S would be CentOS 6.4. The nodes would be 3 x Dell R620, dual Xeon E5-2690, 128 GB memory, each with just a single, small NL SAS root drive. There would be no other local storage. All VMs would use the file server as the datastore. The nodes would run oVirt node. In terms of networking, each machine would have 4 ports - 2 x 1 Gb (bonded) giving machines access to "public" network (that we do not control). The 2 x 10 Gb copper would be connected to a locally installed copper 10G switch that we fully control - 1 port used for storage, and 1 for management/consoles/VM migration. A few additional notes ... I chose to stick with software raid MD on the file server, mostly for cost, and simplicity. I have a lot of experience good with MD, and performance seems reasonable. I would have gone SSD for the file server root disk, but the cost from Dell for their SSD is prohibitive, and I want the whole system to be included in the warranty. NLSAS is the cheapest disk that will have support for the duration of the warranty period (with Dell servers, SATA drives are only warranted for 1 year). The nodes with 1 NLSAS drive... I've thought about replacing that with simply an SD card. It's not clear if this the best solution, or how much space I would need on that card. At least when I configure via the Dell web site, the biggest SD card it seems I can purchase with a server is 2 GB which doesn't seem like very much! I guess people guy bigger cards separately. I know a disk will work, and give me more than enough space and no hassle. I've chosen to keep the setup simple by using NFS on the file server, but I see a whole lot of people here experimenting with the new Gluster capabilities in oVirt 3.3. It's not clear if that's being used in production, or how reliable that would be. I really can't find information on performance tests, etc with Gluster and oVirt, in particular, with comparison of NFS and Gluster. Would there be a performance advantage to using Gluster here? How would it work? by adding disk to the nodes, and getting rid of the file server (or at least turning the file server into a smaller engine only server)? How would this impact the nodes in terms of their ability to handle VMs? (performance?) I presently have no experience with Gluster whatsoever, though I'm certainly never against learning something new, especially should it benefit my project. Unfortunately, as I'm positive everyone can attest for is that it's just trouble finding the number of hours in the day :) There's one thing for sure - Gluster itself, while maybe not TOO complicated is still more complicated than an NFS only setup. As I've mentioned before, we don't use LDAP for authentication, so I'll be restricted to one admin user at the moment unless I setup a separate infrastructure for oVirt authentication. That will be fine for a little while. I understand that work may be underway for pluggable authentication with oVirt. I'm not sure if that ties into any of the items on Itamar's list though. Itamar? :) I was hoping to see that pluggable authentication model sooner rather than later so that I could write something to work with our custom auth system. In terms of power management - my existing machines are using a Raritan KVM with Raritan power management dongles and power bars. I haven't had an opportunity to see if oVirt can manage the devices, but I guess if oVirt can't do it, I can continue to manage power through the KVM interface. Any feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time. Jason Keltz
On 10/07/2013 06:13 PM, Jason Keltz wrote:
I've been experimenting with oVirt 3.2 on some old hardware, and am now preparing to buy new hardware for using oVirt 3.3 in production. I'm interested in any feedback about what I plan to purchase. I want to keep the setup as simple as possible. Our current environment consists of mostly CentOS 6.4 systems.
The combined oVirt engine and file server will be a Dell R720 with dual Xeon E5-2660 and 64 GB of memory. The server would have an LSI 9207-8i HBA connected to the SAS backplane. The R720 enclosure has 16 x 2.5" disk slots. I would get 2 x 500 GB NLSAS drives for mirrored md rood (raid1), use 12 slots for RAID10 SAS 10K rpm drives (either 600 GB or 900 GB), and have an additional 2 spares. Data storage would be virtual machines, and some associated data. The O/S would be CentOS 6.4.
The nodes would be 3 x Dell R620, dual Xeon E5-2690, 128 GB memory, each with just a single, small NL SAS root drive. There would be no other local storage. All VMs would use the file server as the datastore. The nodes would run oVirt node.
In terms of networking, each machine would have 4 ports - 2 x 1 Gb (bonded) giving machines access to "public" network (that we do not control). The 2 x 10 Gb copper would be connected to a locally installed copper 10G switch that we fully control - 1 port used for storage, and 1 for management/consoles/VM migration.
A few additional notes ...
I chose to stick with software raid MD on the file server, mostly for cost, and simplicity. I have a lot of experience good with MD, and performance seems reasonable.
I would have gone SSD for the file server root disk, but the cost from Dell for their SSD is prohibitive, and I want the whole system to be included in the warranty. NLSAS is the cheapest disk that will have support for the duration of the warranty period (with Dell servers, SATA drives are only warranted for 1 year).
The nodes with 1 NLSAS drive... I've thought about replacing that with simply an SD card. It's not clear if this the best solution, or how much space I would need on that card. At least when I configure via the Dell web site, the biggest SD card it seems I can purchase with a server is 2 GB which doesn't seem like very much! I guess people guy bigger cards separately. I know a disk will work, and give me more than enough space and no hassle.
I've chosen to keep the setup simple by using NFS on the file server, but I see a whole lot of people here experimenting with the new Gluster capabilities in oVirt 3.3. It's not clear if that's being used in production, or how reliable that would be. I really can't find information on performance tests, etc with Gluster and oVirt, in particular, with comparison of NFS and Gluster. Would there be a
gluster is still not available for centos 6.4, and there are some issues with snapshots around it still for libgfapi. for posixfs, its supported since 3.2.
performance advantage to using Gluster here? How would it work? by adding disk to the nodes, and getting rid of the file server (or at least turning the file server into a smaller engine only server)? How would this impact the nodes in terms of their ability to handle VMs? (performance?) I presently have no experience with Gluster whatsoever, though I'm certainly never against learning something new, especially should it benefit my project. Unfortunately, as I'm positive everyone can attest for is that it's just trouble finding the number of hours in the day :) There's one thing for sure - Gluster itself, while maybe not TOO complicated is still more complicated than an NFS only setup.
I don't have details on this, and hope others have. but you are correct its an entirely different deployment architecture between a central nfs server, and distributed storage on the nodes.
As I've mentioned before, we don't use LDAP for authentication, so I'll be restricted to one admin user at the moment unless I setup a separate infrastructure for oVirt authentication. That will be fine for a little while. I understand that work may be underway for pluggable authentication with oVirt. I'm not sure if that ties into any of the items on Itamar's list though. Itamar? :) I was hoping to see that pluggable authentication model sooner rather than later so that I could write something to work with our custom auth system.
well, you could also launch an openldap/ipa/ad/etc. in a VM. of course if it has issues you'd need admin@internal to fix it.
In terms of power management - my existing machines are using a Raritan KVM with Raritan power management dongles and power bars. I haven't had an opportunity to see if oVirt can manage the devices, but I guess if oVirt can't do it, I can continue to manage power through the KVM interface.
are they supported by fence-agents in centos?
Any feedback would be much appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Jason Keltz
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On 10/07/2013 02:35 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 10/07/2013 06:13 PM, Jason Keltz wrote:
I've been experimenting with oVirt 3.2 on some old hardware, and am now preparing to buy new hardware for using oVirt 3.3 in production. I'm interested in any feedback about what I plan to purchase. I want to keep the setup as simple as possible. Our current environment consists of mostly CentOS 6.4 systems.
The combined oVirt engine and file server will be a Dell R720 with dual Xeon E5-2660 and 64 GB of memory. The server would have an LSI 9207-8i HBA connected to the SAS backplane. The R720 enclosure has 16 x 2.5" disk slots. I would get 2 x 500 GB NLSAS drives for mirrored md rood (raid1), use 12 slots for RAID10 SAS 10K rpm drives (either 600 GB or 900 GB), and have an additional 2 spares. Data storage would be virtual machines, and some associated data. The O/S would be CentOS 6.4.
The nodes would be 3 x Dell R620, dual Xeon E5-2690, 128 GB memory, each with just a single, small NL SAS root drive. There would be no other local storage. All VMs would use the file server as the datastore. The nodes would run oVirt node.
In terms of networking, each machine would have 4 ports - 2 x 1 Gb (bonded) giving machines access to "public" network (that we do not control). The 2 x 10 Gb copper would be connected to a locally installed copper 10G switch that we fully control - 1 port used for storage, and 1 for management/consoles/VM migration.
A few additional notes ...
I chose to stick with software raid MD on the file server, mostly for cost, and simplicity. I have a lot of experience good with MD, and performance seems reasonable.
I would have gone SSD for the file server root disk, but the cost from Dell for their SSD is prohibitive, and I want the whole system to be included in the warranty. NLSAS is the cheapest disk that will have support for the duration of the warranty period (with Dell servers, SATA drives are only warranted for 1 year).
The nodes with 1 NLSAS drive... I've thought about replacing that with simply an SD card. It's not clear if this the best solution, or how much space I would need on that card. At least when I configure via the Dell web site, the biggest SD card it seems I can purchase with a server is 2 GB which doesn't seem like very much! I guess people guy bigger cards separately. I know a disk will work, and give me more than enough space and no hassle.
I've chosen to keep the setup simple by using NFS on the file server, but I see a whole lot of people here experimenting with the new Gluster capabilities in oVirt 3.3. It's not clear if that's being used in production, or how reliable that would be. I really can't find information on performance tests, etc with Gluster and oVirt, in particular, with comparison of NFS and Gluster. Would there be a
gluster is still not available for centos 6.4, and there are some issues with snapshots around it still for libgfapi. for posixfs, its supported since 3.2.
Ok. I guess it's probably best that I stick with NFS for this time around.
performance advantage to using Gluster here? How would it work? by adding disk to the nodes, and getting rid of the file server (or at least turning the file server into a smaller engine only server)? How would this impact the nodes in terms of their ability to handle VMs? (performance?) I presently have no experience with Gluster whatsoever, though I'm certainly never against learning something new, especially should it benefit my project. Unfortunately, as I'm positive everyone can attest for is that it's just trouble finding the number of hours in the day :) There's one thing for sure - Gluster itself, while maybe not TOO complicated is still more complicated than an NFS only setup.
I don't have details on this, and hope others have. but you are correct its an entirely different deployment architecture between a central nfs server, and distributed storage on the nodes.
It would be helpful if the documentation for oVirt had more information on this.
As I've mentioned before, we don't use LDAP for authentication, so I'll be restricted to one admin user at the moment unless I setup a separate infrastructure for oVirt authentication. That will be fine for a little while. I understand that work may be underway for pluggable authentication with oVirt. I'm not sure if that ties into any of the items on Itamar's list though. Itamar? :) I was hoping to see that pluggable authentication model sooner rather than later so that I could write something to work with our custom auth system.
well, you could also launch an openldap/ipa/ad/etc. in a VM. of course if it has issues you'd need admin@internal to fix it.
I was thinking of doing this if I had to, but it's still a lot of headache for a few logins. Is the pluggable authentication coming in a new version of oVirt?
In terms of power management - my existing machines are using a Raritan KVM with Raritan power management dongles and power bars. I haven't had an opportunity to see if oVirt can manage the devices, but I guess if oVirt can't do it, I can continue to manage power through the KVM interface.
are they supported by fence-agents in centos?
I've never tried. I don't often need to power off hosts the hard way.. a reboot it usually fine. When I do need to power manage hosts, I go into the Raritan KVM, click on the host, and turn it off, and back on, and everything is fine. I haven't done any connection to Linux.
Any feedback would be much appreciated.
With your experience with oVirt, any feedback on the hardware/NFS server combination?
Jason.
Regarding power management, if you get DRAC (Enterprise or Basic, not sure) you should be able to do out-of-band power management. If you're going to spend the money for three R620's with 128 GB of RAM each and dual cpu's, you might be a little better off with a 2nd root HDD for redundancy. -----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@ovirt.org [mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Jason Keltz Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 9:44 AM To: Itamar Heim Cc: users@ovirt.org Subject: Re: [Users] new oVirt installation recommendations On 10/07/2013 02:35 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 10/07/2013 06:13 PM, Jason Keltz wrote:
I've been experimenting with oVirt 3.2 on some old hardware, and am now preparing to buy new hardware for using oVirt 3.3 in production. I'm interested in any feedback about what I plan to purchase. I want to keep the setup as simple as possible. Our current environment consists of mostly CentOS 6.4 systems.
The combined oVirt engine and file server will be a Dell R720 with dual Xeon E5-2660 and 64 GB of memory. The server would have an LSI 9207-8i HBA connected to the SAS backplane. The R720 enclosure has 16 x 2.5" disk slots. I would get 2 x 500 GB NLSAS drives for mirrored md rood (raid1), use 12 slots for RAID10 SAS 10K rpm drives (either 600 GB or 900 GB), and have an additional 2 spares. Data storage would be virtual machines, and some associated data. The O/S would be CentOS 6.4.
The nodes would be 3 x Dell R620, dual Xeon E5-2690, 128 GB memory, each with just a single, small NL SAS root drive. There would be no other local storage. All VMs would use the file server as the datastore. The nodes would run oVirt node.
In terms of networking, each machine would have 4 ports - 2 x 1 Gb (bonded) giving machines access to "public" network (that we do not control). The 2 x 10 Gb copper would be connected to a locally installed copper 10G switch that we fully control - 1 port used for storage, and 1 for management/consoles/VM migration.
A few additional notes ...
I chose to stick with software raid MD on the file server, mostly for cost, and simplicity. I have a lot of experience good with MD, and performance seems reasonable.
I would have gone SSD for the file server root disk, but the cost from Dell for their SSD is prohibitive, and I want the whole system to be included in the warranty. NLSAS is the cheapest disk that will have support for the duration of the warranty period (with Dell servers, SATA drives are only warranted for 1 year).
The nodes with 1 NLSAS drive... I've thought about replacing that with simply an SD card. It's not clear if this the best solution, or how much space I would need on that card. At least when I configure via the Dell web site, the biggest SD card it seems I can purchase with a server is 2 GB which doesn't seem like very much! I guess people guy bigger cards separately. I know a disk will work, and give me more than enough space and no hassle.
I've chosen to keep the setup simple by using NFS on the file server, but I see a whole lot of people here experimenting with the new Gluster capabilities in oVirt 3.3. It's not clear if that's being used in production, or how reliable that would be. I really can't find information on performance tests, etc with Gluster and oVirt, in particular, with comparison of NFS and Gluster. Would there be a
gluster is still not available for centos 6.4, and there are some issues with snapshots around it still for libgfapi. for posixfs, its supported since 3.2.
Ok. I guess it's probably best that I stick with NFS for this time around.
performance advantage to using Gluster here? How would it work? by adding disk to the nodes, and getting rid of the file server (or at least turning the file server into a smaller engine only server)? How would this impact the nodes in terms of their ability to handle VMs? (performance?) I presently have no experience with Gluster whatsoever, though I'm certainly never against learning something new, especially should it benefit my project. Unfortunately, as I'm positive everyone can attest for is that it's just trouble finding the number of hours in the day :) There's one thing for sure - Gluster itself, while maybe not TOO complicated is still more complicated than an NFS only setup.
I don't have details on this, and hope others have. but you are correct its an entirely different deployment architecture between a central nfs server, and distributed storage on the nodes.
It would be helpful if the documentation for oVirt had more information on this.
As I've mentioned before, we don't use LDAP for authentication, so I'll be restricted to one admin user at the moment unless I setup a separate infrastructure for oVirt authentication. That will be fine for a little while. I understand that work may be underway for pluggable authentication with oVirt. I'm not sure if that ties into any of the items on Itamar's list though. Itamar? :) I was hoping to see that pluggable authentication model sooner rather than later so that I could write something to work with our custom auth system.
well, you could also launch an openldap/ipa/ad/etc. in a VM. of course if it has issues you'd need admin@internal to fix it.
I was thinking of doing this if I had to, but it's still a lot of headache for a few logins. Is the pluggable authentication coming in a new version of oVirt?
In terms of power management - my existing machines are using a Raritan KVM with Raritan power management dongles and power bars. I haven't had an opportunity to see if oVirt can manage the devices, but I guess if oVirt can't do it, I can continue to manage power through the KVM interface.
are they supported by fence-agents in centos?
I've never tried. I don't often need to power off hosts the hard way.. a reboot it usually fine. When I do need to power manage hosts, I go into the Raritan KVM, click on the host, and turn it off, and back on, and everything is fine. I haven't done any connection to Linux.
Any feedback would be much appreciated.
With your experience with oVirt, any feedback on the hardware/NFS server combination?
Jason. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
On 10/08/2013 10:43 AM, David Sloane wrote:
Regarding power management, if you get DRAC (Enterprise or Basic, not sure) you should be able to do out-of-band power management.
If you're going to spend the money for three R620's with 128 GB of RAM each and dual cpu's, you might be a little better off with a 2nd root HDD for redundancy. I would have done that, but oVirt node doesn't support md raid1 at this time. As far as I understand, there is no redundancy on the node root disk.
Jason.
On 10/08/2013 05:53 PM, Jason Keltz wrote:
On 10/08/2013 10:43 AM, David Sloane wrote:
Regarding power management, if you get DRAC (Enterprise or Basic, not sure) you should be able to do out-of-band power management.
If you're going to spend the money for three R620's with 128 GB of RAM each and dual cpu's, you might be a little better off with a 2nd root HDD for redundancy. I would have done that, but oVirt node doesn't support md raid1 at this time. As far as I understand, there is no redundancy on the node root disk.
for things not supported by node, but supported by a full blown OS (fedora/centos), you can always use that option (full blown OS rather than node)
On 10/08/2013 02:38 PM, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 10/08/2013 05:53 PM, Jason Keltz wrote:
On 10/08/2013 10:43 AM, David Sloane wrote:
Regarding power management, if you get DRAC (Enterprise or Basic, not sure) you should be able to do out-of-band power management.
If you're going to spend the money for three R620's with 128 GB of RAM each and dual cpu's, you might be a little better off with a 2nd root HDD for redundancy. I would have done that, but oVirt node doesn't support md raid1 at this time. As far as I understand, there is no redundancy on the node root disk.
for things not supported by node, but supported by a full blown OS (fedora/centos), you can always use that option (full blown OS rather than node)
Absolutely.. but installing a whole O/S just to get the ability to mirror the root disk is a bit overkill :) I might use the hardware RAID option... I do wish that the node supported md... md raid1 (or heck, even lvm raid1) works great... Jason.
On Oct 7, 2013, at 15:27 , Christian Kolquist <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> wrote:
Michal, yes I have tried it but it does not work. The fonts don't work and it locks up on my system every time I attempt to launch it.
I remember some old version doing the same thing for me….but the current one works fine on 10.8.5 I'm not sure, though, if it supports .vv file…maybe Christophe knows… Thanks, michal
Christian
On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Michal Skrivanek <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> wrote:
On 4 Oct 2013, at 16:17, Christian Kolquist wrote:
I am asking for a way to make it to be the default for ALL vm's as we have multiple users working on this. Plus with over 30 vm's it is quite a pain to have each person to set each one individually (we haven't fully migrated over to 3.3 from 3.1 at the moment.) It does not scale to larger installations.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Frantisek Kobzik <fkobzik@redhat.com> wrote: Hello Christian,
if you select noVNC in 'Console Options' for some VM, this choice should be remembered in your browser for this VM. So next time when you're connecting via VNC, noVNC client is used. Is this what you're looking for?
Regards, Frantisek Kobzik.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Kolquist" <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 3:26:51 PM Subject: [Users] Console defaults
Question:
Is there a way to set the webadmin to only use NoVNC as a default for the console? Since the devs decided to remove the popup window and only download a file, it added several steps for me to be able to look at the console on my Mac. There isn't a packaged viewer for spice on OSX as of yet and every time I have tried to get it installed it fails. So, my only option is VNC of which there are none that will open the .vv files.
did you try http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client ?
for VNC - associate the .vv with a TextEdit or something similar, and do copy&paste of credentails as you were doing from the popup
for noVNC, well, it's a per user and browser setting (for all VMs), but no easy way how to set it in advance for many users. There is a global option for SPICE to select either plugin or .vv, but that doesn't appl to the new browser-only clinets. But that should be relatively easy to implement…Franta?
Thanks, michal
Thanks Christian
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The link on spice-space.org was outdated, I fixed it yesterday, latest build is 0.5.7-1
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It partially supports .vv files, if you run it from a terminal passing it a =2Evv file, then it will be used. However, to be able to directly open files loaded from the web browser, a bit of code is needed (I think this is what is described there https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/cocoa/conceptual/Scri= ptableCocoaApplications/SApps_handle_AEs/SAppsHandleAEs.html ) Christophe --+d/sD+4Memv8CeGA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJWi2cACgkQJKRp+3pW946+9gCgkudimI0wZQ+DuCzlX920/LXj WO4AoOasuXGg6XrLPiDKi+4BF+zNZAci =Fghi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+d/sD+4Memv8CeGA--
On Oct 10, 2013, at 13:11 , Christophe Fergeau <cfergeau@redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 09:59:22AM +0200, Michal Skrivanek wrote:
On Oct 7, 2013, at 15:27 , Christian Kolquist <ckolquist@rgmadvisors.com> wrote:
Michal, yes I have tried it but it does not work. The fonts don't work and it locks up on my system every time I attempt to launch it.
I remember some old version doing the same thing for me….but the current one works fine on 10.8.5
The link on spice-space.org was outdated, I fixed it yesterday, latest build is 0.5.7-1
I'm not sure, though, if it supports .vv file…maybe Christophe knows…
It partially supports .vv files, if you run it from a terminal passing it a .vv file, then it will be used. However, to be able to directly open files loaded from the web browser, a bit of code is needed (I think this is what is described there https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/cocoa/conceptual/Scrip... )
since "open /Applications/RemoteViewer.app --args ~/Downloads/x.vv" from Terminal actually works, perhaps following [1] would be easy didn't try yet, but it should work Thanks, michal [1] http://superuser.com/questions/271678/how-do-i-pass-command-line-arguments-t...
Christophe
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