3:07 p.m.
Hi Guys,
My Hosted-Engine has failed & it looks like the easiest solution will be
to install a new one. Now before I try to re-add the old hosts (still
running the guest VMs) & import the storage domain into the new engine, in
case things don't go to plan, I want to make sure I'm able to bring up the
guests on the hosts manually.
The problem is vdsClient is giving me an "Unexpected exception", without
much more info as to why it's failing.
Any idea?
[root@v0 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 list table | grep georep
9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8 30455 georep-proxy Down
[root@v0 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 continue 9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8
Unexpected exception
/var/log/vdsm/vdsm.log
periodic/1063::WARNING::2017-02-08
17:57:52,532::periodic::276::virt.periodic.VmDispatcher::(__call__) could
not run <class 'vdsm.virt.periodic.DriveWatermarkMonitor'> on
['65c9807c-7216-40b3-927c-5fd93bbd42ba',
u'9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8']
Cheers,
--
Doug
3:10 p.m.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
My Hosted-Engine has failed & it looks like the easiest solution will be
to install a new one. Now before I try to re-add the old hosts (still
running the guest VMs) & import the storage domain into the new engine, in
case things don't go to plan, I want to make sure I'm able to bring up the
guests on the hosts manually.
The problem is vdsClient is giving me an "Unexpected exception", without
much more info as to why it's failing.
Any idea?
[root@v0 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 list table | grep georep
9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8 30455 georep-proxy Down
[root@v0 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 continue 9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8
Unexpected exception
/var/log/vdsm/vdsm.log
periodic/1063::WARNING::2017-02-08 17:57:52,532::periodic::276::
virt.periodic.VmDispatcher::(__call__) could not run <class
'vdsm.virt.periodic.DriveWatermarkMonitor'> on
['65c9807c-7216-40b3-927c-5fd93bbd42ba',
u'9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8']
continue meane un-pause, not "start from a stopped state"
now having said that, if you expect the VMs not to be able to start after
you rebuild the engine and the VMs exist on the hosts, I'd collect a virsh
-r dumpxml VMNAME for each - that way you have the disks in use, and all
the VM configuration in a file, and with some minor LVM manipulation you'll
be able to start the VM via virsh
Cheers,
--
Doug
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3:18 p.m.
Hi Dan,
On 8 February 2017 at 18:10, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> My Hosted-Engine has failed & it looks like the easiest solution will be
> to install a new one. Now before I try to re-add the old hosts (still
> running the guest VMs) & import the storage domain into the new engine, in
> case things don't go to plan, I want to make sure I'm able to bring up the
> guests on the hosts manually.
>
> The problem is vdsClient is giving me an "Unexpected exception", without
> much more info as to why it's failing.
>
> Any idea?
>
> [root@v0 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 list table | grep georep
> 9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8 30455 georep-proxy Down
>
> [root@v0 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 continue 9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8
> Unexpected exception
>
> /var/log/vdsm/vdsm.log
> periodic/1063::WARNING::2017-02-08 17:57:52,532::periodic::276::v
> irt.periodic.VmDispatcher::(__call__) could not run <class
> 'vdsm.virt.periodic.DriveWatermarkMonitor'> on
> ['65c9807c-7216-40b3-927c-5fd93bbd42ba', u'9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-0136
> 4d4d45a8']
>
>
continue meane un-pause, not "start from a stopped state"
I search the manual for start/init/resume syntax, and "continue" was the
closest thing I found.
now having said that, if you expect the VMs not to be able to start
after
you rebuild the engine and the VMs exist on the hosts, I'd collect a virsh
-r dumpxml VMNAME for each - that way you have the disks in use, and all
the VM configuration in a file, and with some minor LVM manipulation you'll
be able to start the VM via virsh
My main concern is that I might have to halt the VMs or VDSM services for
some reason when trying to migrate to the new engine. I just want to make
sure that no matter what happens, I can still get the VMs back online.
I'm still getting myself acquainted with virsh/vdsClient. Could you provide
any insight into what I'd have to do to restart the guests manually?
Thanks,
--
Doug
3:26 p.m.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
On 8 February 2017 at 18:10, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>> My Hosted-Engine has failed & it looks like the easiest solution will
>> be to install a new one. Now before I try to re-add the old hosts (still
>> running the guest VMs) & import the storage domain into the new engine, in
>> case things don't go to plan, I want to make sure I'm able to bring up
the
>> guests on the hosts manually.
>>
>> The problem is vdsClient is giving me an "Unexpected exception",
without
>> much more info as to why it's failing.
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>> [root@v0 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 list table | grep georep
>> 9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d4d45a8 30455 georep-proxy Down
>>
>> [root@v0 ~]# vdsClient -s 0 continue 9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-01364d
>> 4d45a8
>> Unexpected exception
>>
>> /var/log/vdsm/vdsm.log
>> periodic/1063::WARNING::2017-02-08 17:57:52,532::periodic::276::v
>> irt.periodic.VmDispatcher::(__call__) could not run <class
>> 'vdsm.virt.periodic.DriveWatermarkMonitor'> on
>> ['65c9807c-7216-40b3-927c-5fd93bbd42ba',
u'9d1c3fef-498e-4c20-b124-0136
>> 4d4d45a8']
>>
>>
> continue meane un-pause, not "start from a stopped state"
>
I search the manual for start/init/resume syntax, and "continue" was the
closest thing I found.
I don't have a 4.x vdsm handy, but on 3.6 the verb is "create". With a LOT
of params of course.
> now having said that, if you expect the VMs not to be able to start after
> you rebuild the engine and the VMs exist on the hosts, I'd collect a virsh
> -r dumpxml VMNAME for each - that way you have the disks in use, and all
> the VM configuration in a file, and with some minor LVM manipulation you'll
> be able to start the VM via virsh
>
My main concern is that I might have to halt the VMs or VDSM services for
some reason when trying to migrate to the new engine. I just want to make
sure that no matter what happens, I can still get the VMs back online.
The way oVirt works is very much tied into the engine DB. When you click
"start" on a VM, the engine will query the DB, pull out the VM details (CPU
config, disks, RAM etc), pick a suitable host, enable the hosts' access to
the disks on the storage domain, generate the libvirt domxml for the VM
(the file you'd get from virsh dumpxml) and start the VM according to the
generated XML. With vdsClient and without the engine DB you'll be missing
all those details the database provides, while my way, with the XML, they
are all already in place, populated by the engine when it was still alive.
I'm still getting myself acquainted with virsh/vdsClient. Could you
provide any insight into what I'd have to do to restart the guests manually?
see above. But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the engine
(it comes with a utility) often and well. I do it via cron every hour in
production, keeping a rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in case.
It doesn't take much space or resources, but it's more than just best
practice - that database is the summary of the entire setup.
Thanks,
--
Doug
8:55 a.m.
Hi Dan,
On 8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the engine (it comes
with a utility) often and well. I do it via cron every hour in production,
keeping a rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in case. It doesn't
take much space or resources, but it's more than just best practice - that
database is the summary of the entire setup.
If you don't mind, may I ask what process you use for backing up your
engine? If you use HE, do you keep one server dedicated to just that VM?
I've not had that particular issue in the restore process yet, however I
read that it's recommended the HE host is free of virtual load before the
backup takes place. And as they need to be done frequently, I'm reading
that as a dedicated host...
--
Doug
9:03 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
On 8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the engine (it comes
> with a utility) often and well. I do it via cron every hour in production,
> keeping a rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in case. It doesn't
> take much space or resources, but it's more than just best practice - that
> database is the summary of the entire setup.
>
>
If you don't mind, may I ask what process you use for backing up your
engine? If you use HE, do you keep one server dedicated to just that VM?
I've not had that particular issue in the restore process yet, however I
read that it's recommended the HE host is free of virtual load before the
backup takes place. And as they need to be done frequently, I'm reading
that as a dedicated host...
If you use a dedicated host, you might as well abandon self hosted. HE is
nice for small setups with the HA built in for extra fun, but once you
scale, it might not be able to cope and you'll need real hardware. You're
running a heavy-ish java engine plus two databases after all.
So as I said, all I do is add the engine-backup command to cron on the
engine, and then my backup server comes in and pulls out the files via scp,
also through cron. Nothing fancy really, but it lets me sleep at night
--
Doug
10 a.m.
On 9 February 2017 at 12:03, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> On 8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the engine (it comes
>> with a utility) often and well. I do it via cron every hour in production,
>> keeping a rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in case. It doesn't
>> take much space or resources, but it's more than just best practice - that
>> database is the summary of the entire setup.
>>
>>
> If you don't mind, may I ask what process you use for backing up your
> engine? If you use HE, do you keep one server dedicated to just that VM?
> I've not had that particular issue in the restore process yet, however I
> read that it's recommended the HE host is free of virtual load before the
> backup takes place. And as they need to be done frequently, I'm reading
> that as a dedicated host...
>
>
If you use a dedicated host, you might as well abandon self hosted. HE is
nice for small setups with the HA built in for extra fun, but once you
scale, it might not be able to cope and you'll need real hardware. You're
running a heavy-ish java engine plus two databases after all.
So as I said, all I do is add the engine-backup command to cron on the
engine, and then my backup server comes in and pulls out the files via scp,
also through cron. Nothing fancy really, but it lets me sleep at night
This particular project has 10 new maxed out servers to back it, and I
don't see it outgrowing that for at least a year or so. It's hardly a full
DC.
I presume the DB will become the heaviest part of the load, and I'm already
planning a separate high I/O environment for dedicated HA DB hosts.
See the top section of this page:
http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/self-hosted/chap-Backing_up_and_Restor...
It seems that I'll always have to keep at least one host free to be able to
avoid restore problems. If not, and I were to keep hourly backups, then
migrating VMs off the host every hour would just be a pain.
--
Doug
12:05 p.m.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 February 2017 at 12:03, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> On 8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the engine (it comes
>>> with a utility) often and well. I do it via cron every hour in production,
>>> keeping a rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in case. It doesn't
>>> take much space or resources, but it's more than just best practice -
that
>>> database is the summary of the entire setup.
>>>
>>>
>> If you don't mind, may I ask what process you use for backing up your
>> engine? If you use HE, do you keep one server dedicated to just that VM?
>> I've not had that particular issue in the restore process yet, however I
>> read that it's recommended the HE host is free of virtual load before the
>> backup takes place. And as they need to be done frequently, I'm reading
>> that as a dedicated host...
>>
>>
> If you use a dedicated host, you might as well abandon self hosted. HE is
> nice for small setups with the HA built in for extra fun, but once you
> scale, it might not be able to cope and you'll need real hardware. You're
> running a heavy-ish java engine plus two databases after all.
>
> So as I said, all I do is add the engine-backup command to cron on the
> engine, and then my backup server comes in and pulls out the files via scp,
> also through cron. Nothing fancy really, but it lets me sleep at night
>
This particular project has 10 new maxed out servers to back it, and I
don't see it outgrowing that for at least a year or so. It's hardly a full
DC.
I presume the DB will become the heaviest part of the load, and I'm
already planning a separate high I/O environment for dedicated HA DB hosts.
See the top section of this page:
http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/self-hosted/
chap-Backing_up_and_Restoring_an_EL-Based_Self-Hosted_Environment
It seems that I'll always have to keep at least one host free to be able
to avoid restore problems. If not, and I were to keep hourly backups, then
migrating VMs off the host every hour would just be a pain.
Yeah, that's another downside to using HE I suppose. Though maybe you don't
need to be as paranoid as I am and do backups out of hours once per day,
which will be much less disruptive.
This is pretty easy to script with the SDK - just connect to the API with a
python script and deactivate a host. Once it's in maintenance, run
engine-backup and pull the backup out, then activate the host again.
--
Doug
12:48 p.m.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 9 February 2017 at 12:03, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> On 8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the engine (it comes
>>> with a utility) often and well. I do it via cron every hour in production,
>>> keeping a rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in case. It doesn't
>>> take much space or resources, but it's more than just best practice -
that
>>> database is the summary of the entire setup.
>>>
>>>
>> If you don't mind, may I ask what process you use for backing up your
>> engine? If you use HE, do you keep one server dedicated to just that VM?
>> I've not had that particular issue in the restore process yet, however I
>> read that it's recommended the HE host is free of virtual load before the
>> backup takes place. And as they need to be done frequently, I'm reading
>> that as a dedicated host...
>>
>>
> If you use a dedicated host, you might as well abandon self hosted. HE is
> nice for small setups with the HA built in for extra fun, but once you
> scale, it might not be able to cope and you'll need real hardware. You're
> running a heavy-ish java engine plus two databases after all.
>
> So as I said, all I do is add the engine-backup command to cron on the
> engine, and then my backup server comes in and pulls out the files via scp,
> also through cron. Nothing fancy really, but it lets me sleep at night
>
This particular project has 10 new maxed out servers to back it, and I
don't see it outgrowing that for at least a year or so. It's hardly a full
DC.
I presume the DB will become the heaviest part of the load, and I'm
already planning a separate high I/O environment for dedicated HA DB hosts.
See the top section of this page:
http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/self-hosted/
chap-Backing_up_and_Restoring_an_EL-Based_Self-Hosted_Environment
It seems that I'll always have to keep at least one host free to be able
to avoid restore problems. If not, and I were to keep hourly backups, then
migrating VMs off the host every hour would just be a pain.
I don't see the point in an hourly backup. Of what? The DB? The VM? What
storage will it be based on?
I suggest revising the strategy.
--
Doug
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12:53 p.m.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 9 February 2017 at 12:03, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>>
>>> On 8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the engine (it
>>>> comes with a utility) often and well. I do it via cron every hour in
>>>> production, keeping a rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in
case.
>>>> It doesn't take much space or resources, but it's more than just
best
>>>> practice - that database is the summary of the entire setup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you don't mind, may I ask what process you use for backing up your
>>> engine? If you use HE, do you keep one server dedicated to just that VM?
>>> I've not had that particular issue in the restore process yet, however
>>> I read that it's recommended the HE host is free of virtual load before
the
>>> backup takes place. And as they need to be done frequently, I'm reading
>>> that as a dedicated host...
>>>
>>>
>> If you use a dedicated host, you might as well abandon self hosted. HE
>> is nice for small setups with the HA built in for extra fun, but once you
>> scale, it might not be able to cope and you'll need real hardware.
You're
>> running a heavy-ish java engine plus two databases after all.
>>
>> So as I said, all I do is add the engine-backup command to cron on the
>> engine, and then my backup server comes in and pulls out the files via scp,
>> also through cron. Nothing fancy really, but it lets me sleep at night
>>
>
> This particular project has 10 new maxed out servers to back it, and I
> don't see it outgrowing that for at least a year or so. It's hardly a full
> DC.
> I presume the DB will become the heaviest part of the load, and I'm
> already planning a separate high I/O environment for dedicated HA DB hosts.
>
> See the top section of this page:
> http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/self-hosted/chap-Backing_
> up_and_Restoring_an_EL-Based_Self-Hosted_Environment
>
> It seems that I'll always have to keep at least one host free to be able
> to avoid restore problems. If not, and I were to keep hourly backups, then
> migrating VMs off the host every hour would just be a pain.
>
I don't see the point in an hourly backup. Of what? The DB? The VM? What
storage will it be based on?
I suggest revising the strategy.
That's pretty much what I said :)
>
> --
> Doug
>
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>
1:21 p.m.
On 9 February 2017 at 15:48, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 9 February 2017 at 12:03, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>>
>>> On 8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the engine (it
>>>> comes with a utility) often and well. I do it via cron every hour in
>>>> production, keeping a rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in
case.
>>>> It doesn't take much space or resources, but it's more than just
best
>>>> practice - that database is the summary of the entire setup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you don't mind, may I ask what process you use for backing up your
>>> engine? If you use HE, do you keep one server dedicated to just that VM?
>>> I've not had that particular issue in the restore process yet, however
>>> I read that it's recommended the HE host is free of virtual load before
the
>>> backup takes place. And as they need to be done frequently, I'm reading
>>> that as a dedicated host...
>>>
>>>
>> If you use a dedicated host, you might as well abandon self hosted. HE
>> is nice for small setups with the HA built in for extra fun, but once you
>> scale, it might not be able to cope and you'll need real hardware.
You're
>> running a heavy-ish java engine plus two databases after all.
>>
>> So as I said, all I do is add the engine-backup command to cron on the
>> engine, and then my backup server comes in and pulls out the files via scp,
>> also through cron. Nothing fancy really, but it lets me sleep at night
>>
>
> This particular project has 10 new maxed out servers to back it, and I
> don't see it outgrowing that for at least a year or so. It's hardly a full
> DC.
> I presume the DB will become the heaviest part of the load, and I'm
> already planning a separate high I/O environment for dedicated HA DB hosts.
>
> See the top section of this page:
> http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/self-hosted/chap-Backing_
> up_and_Restoring_an_EL-Based_Self-Hosted_Environment
>
> It seems that I'll always have to keep at least one host free to be able
> to avoid restore problems. If not, and I were to keep hourly backups, then
> migrating VMs off the host every hour would just be a pain.
>
I don't see the point in an hourly backup. Of what? The DB? The VM? What
storage will it be based on?
I suggest revising the strategy.
Um, that wasn't my suggestion. To be honest, a fortnight's worth of daily
engine-backups & snapshots of the engine volume should suffice for us. It's
a "Hyperconverged" setup using gluster storage on the compute nodes.
--
Doug
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8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan
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<div>But seriously,
above all, I'd
recommend you backup
the engine (it comes
with a utility)
often and well. I do
it via cron every
hour in production,
keeping a rotation
of hourly and daily
backups, just in
case. It doesn't
take much space or
resources, but it's
more than just best
practice - that
database is the
summary of the
entire setup.</div <br
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<div>If you don't mind, may I
ask what process you use for
backing up your engine? If you
use HE, do you keep one server
dedicated to just that VM?<br </div <div>I've not
had that
particular issue in the
restore process yet, however I
read that it's recommended the
HE host is free of virtual
load before the backup takes
place. And as they need to be
done frequently, I'm reading
that as a dedicated host...<spa=
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<div>If you use a dedicated host, you
might as well abandon self hosted. HE is
nice for small setups with the HA built
in for extra fun, but once you scale, it
might not be able to cope and you'll
need real hardware. You're running a
heavy-ish java engine plus two databases
after all. <br
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I'd be interested to know what type of scale needs a real hardware
for engine, rather 100 vms or 1000 vms? it may be about the hosts
number?<br <blockquote
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<div>So as I said, all I do is add the
engine-backup command to cron on the
engine, and then my backup server comes
in and pulls out the files via scp, also
through cron. Nothing fancy really, but
it lets me sleep at night</div </div </div
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<div>This particular project has 10 new maxed out
servers to back it, and I don't see it outgrowing
that for at least a year or so. It's hardly a full
DC.<br I presume the
DB will become the heaviest part of
the load, and I'm already planning a separate high
I/O environment for dedicated HA DB hosts.<br <br
</div <div>See
the top section of this page:</div
</div <a
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href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/self-hosted/chap-Backing_...
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-Hosted_<wbr>Environment</a><br
<br </div <div class=3D"gmail_extra">It
seems that I'll always have
to keep at least one host free to be able to avoid
restore problems. If not, and I were to keep hourly
backups, then migrating VMs off the host every hour
would just be a pain.</div
</div </blockquote <div><br
</div <div>I don't
see the point in an hourly backup. Of what? The
DB? The VM? What storage will it be based on?</div <div>I suggest revising the
strategy.</div
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On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com=20
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On 9 February 2017 at 12:03, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com
<mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Doug Ingham <dougti(a)gmail.com
<mailto:dougti@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Dan,
On 8 February 2017 at 18:26, Dan Yasny <dyasny(a)gmail.com
<mailto:dyasny@gmail.com>> wrote:
But seriously, above all, I'd recommend you backup the
engine (it comes with a utility) often and well. I do
it via cron every hour in production, keeping a
rotation of hourly and daily backups, just in case. It
doesn't take much space or resources, but it's more
than just best practice - that database is the summary
of the entire setup.
If you don't mind, may I ask what process you use for
backing up your engine? If you use HE, do you keep one
server dedicated to just that VM?
I've not had that particular issue in the restore process
yet, however I read that it's recommended the HE host is
free of virtual load before the backup takes place. And as
they need to be done frequently, I'm reading that as a
dedicated host...
If you use a dedicated host, you might as well abandon self
hosted. HE is nice for small setups with the HA built in for
extra fun, but once you scale, it might not be able to cope
and you'll need real hardware. You're running a heavy-ish java
engine plus two databases after all.
I'd be interested to know what type of scale needs a real hardware for=20
engine, rather 100 vms or 1000 vms? it may be about the hosts number?
So as I said, all I do is add the engine-backup command to
cron on the engine, and then my backup server comes in and
pulls out the files via scp, also through cron. Nothing fancy
really, but it lets me sleep at night
This particular project has 10 new maxed out servers to back it,
and I don't see it outgrowing that for at least a year or so. It's
hardly a full DC.
I presume the DB will become the heaviest part of the load, and
I'm already planning a separate high I/O environment for dedicated
HA DB hosts.
See the top section of this page:
http://www.ovirt.org/documentation/self-hosted/chap-Backing_up_and_=
Restoring_an_EL-Based_Self-Hosted_Environment
_Restoring_an_EL-Based_Self-Hosted_Environment
It seems that I'll always have to keep at least one host free to
be able to avoid restore problems. If not, and I were to keep
hourly backups, then migrating VMs off the host every hour would
just be a pain.
I don't see the point in an hourly backup. Of what? The DB? The VM?=20
What storage will it be based on?
I suggest revising the strategy.
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On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Nathanaël Blanchet <blanchet(a)abes.fr>
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>> If you use a dedicated host, you might as well abandon self hosted. HE
>> is nice for small setups with the HA built in for extra fun, but once you
>> scale, it might not be able to cope and you'll need real hardware.
You're
>> running a heavy-ish java engine plus two databases after all.
>>
> I'd be interested to know what type of scale needs a real hardware for
engine, rather 100 vms or 1000 vms? it may be about the hosts number?
YMMV of course. But it only stands to reason, that a certain amount of load
is going to overwhelm a single VM. VMWare also have a scale limitation on
the VM based vcenter btw
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