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Hi yaniv,=20
Thanks for your response. My answers below.=20
cordialement, regards,=20
=09Nelson LAMEIRAS=20
Ing=C3=A9nieur Syst=C3=A8mes et R=C3=A9seaux / Systems and Networks enginee=
r=20
Tel: +33 5 32 09 09 70=20
nelson.lameiras(a)lyra-network.com=20
www.lyra-network.com |
www.payzen.eu=20
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Lyra Network, 109 rue de l'innovation, 31670 Lab=C3=A8ge, FRANCE=20
From: "Yaniv Kaul" <ykaul(a)redhat.com>=20
To: "Nelson Lameiras" <nelson.lameiras(a)lyra-network.com>=20
Cc: "ovirt users" <users(a)ovirt.org>=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:13:27 AM=20
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] massive simultaneous vms migrations ?=20
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Nelson Lameiras < nelson.lameiras@lyra-net=
work.com > wrote:=20
hello,=20
When putting a host on "maintenance mode", all vms start migrating to other=
hosts.=20
We have some hosts that have 60 vms. So this will create a 60 vms migrating=
simultaneously.=20
Some vms are under so much heavy loads that migration fails often (our gues=
s is that massive simultaneous migrations does not help migration convergen=
ce) - even with "suspend workload if needed" migraton policy.=20
- Does oVirt really launches 60 simultaneous migrations or is there a queui=
ng system ?=20
- If there is a queuing system, is there a way to configure a maximum numbe=
r of simultaneous migrations ?=20
I did see a "migration bandwidth limit", but this is quite what we are look=
ing for.=20
What migration policy are you using?=20
-- "suspend workkiad if needed"=20
Are you using a dedicated migration network, or the ovirtmgmt network?=20
-- ovirtmgmt network=20
BQ_BEGIN
my setup:=20
ovirt-engine +hosted engine 4.1.1=20
hosts : centos 7.3 fully updated.=20
for full context to understand this question : 2 times in the past, when tr=
ying to put a host in maintenance, host stopped responding during massive m=
igrations and was fenced by engine. It's still unclear why host stopped res=
ponding, but we think that migrating 60+ vms simultaneously puts a heavy st=
rain on storage ? So we would like to better control migration process in o=
rder to better understand what's happening. This scenario is "production on=
ly" since our labs do not contain nearly as much vm with such heavy loads. =
So rather than trying to reproduce, we are trying to avoid ;)=20
BQ_END
If you could open a bug with relevant logs on the host not responding, that=
'd be great.=20
-- Too late, we made the "precipitaded" mistake of reinstalling server (bea=
use of other reasons), so all traces are lost. Next time I will make sure t=
o keep traces.=20
Live migration doesn't touch the storage (disks re not moving anywhere), bu=
t it does stress the network. I doubt it, but perhaps you over-saturate the=
ovirtmgmt network.=20
-- This makes sens. It's a long shot though. Maybe it would be possible to =
create a VLAN dedicated to migrations in same physical network et use QOS t=
o reserve always some bandwith to oVirt administration ? (maybe opening can=
of worms here....)=20
Y.=20
BQ_BEGIN
cordialement, regards,=20
=09Nelson LAMEIRAS=20
Ing=C3=A9nieur Syst=C3=A8mes et R=C3=A9seaux / Systems and Networks enginee=
r=20
Tel: +33 5 32 09 09 70=20
nelson.lameiras(a)lyra-network.com=20
www.lyra-network.com |
www.payzen.eu=20
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Lyra Network, 109 rue de l'innovation, 31670 Lab=C3=A8ge, FRANCE=20
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data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>From: <=
/b>"Yaniv Kaul" &lt;ykaul(a)redhat.com&gt;<br><b>To:
</b>"Nelson Lameiras" &l=
t;nelson.lameiras(a)lyra-network.com&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"ovirt
users" <user=
s(a)ovirt.org&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:13:27
AM<br><b>=
Subject: </b>Re: [ovirt-users] massive simultaneous vms migrations
?<br></d=
iv><br><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div
dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue,
Apr 18, 2017 at 7:4=
8 PM, Nelson Lameiras <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:nelson.lameir=
as(a)lyra-network.com"
target=3D"_blank">nelson.lameiras(a)lyra-network.com</a>=
></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0=
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div
style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>hell=
o,<br></div><br><div>When putting a host on "maintenance
mode", all vms sta=
rt migrating to other hosts. </div><br><div>We have some hosts that have
60=
vms. So this will create a 60 vms migrating
simultaneously.<br></div><div>=
Some vms are under so much heavy loads that migration fails often (our gues=
s is that massive simultaneous migrations does not help migration convergen=
ce) - even with "suspend workload if needed" migraton
policy.<br></div><br>=
<div>- Does oVirt really launches 60 simultaneous migrations or is there a =
queuing system ?<br></div><div>- If there is a queuing system, is there
a w=
ay to configure a maximum number of simultaneous migrations
?<br></div><br>=
<div>I did see a "migration bandwidth limit", but this is quite what we
are=
looking
for.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>What
migration pol=
icy are you using? <br></div><div> -- "suspend workkiad
if needed"<br=
data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Are you using a dedicated
migration networ=
k, or the ovirtmgmt network?</div><div> -- ovirtmgmt
network<br=
</div><div><br
data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div><br
data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></=
div><blockquote
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div
style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><br><div>my
setup:<br></div=
<div>ovirt-engine +hosted engine
4.1.1<br></div><div>hosts : centos 7.3 fu=
lly
updated.<br></div><br><div><div>for full context to
understand this que=
stion : 2 times in the past, when trying to put a host in maintenance, host=
stopped responding during massive migrations and was fenced by engine. It'=
s still unclear why host stopped responding, but we think that migrating 60=
+ vms simultaneously puts a heavy strain on storage ? So we would like to b=
etter control migration process in order to better understand what's happen=
ing. This scenario is "production only" since our labs do not contain nearl=
y as much vm with such heavy loads. So rather than trying to reproduce, we =
are trying to avoid
;)<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><div>If
=
you could open a bug with relevant logs on the host not responding, that'd =
be great.</div><div> -- Too late, we made the
"precipitaded" mistake =
of reinstalling server (beause of other reasons), so all traces are lost. N=
ext time I will make sure to keep traces.<br
data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><di=
v>Live migration doesn't touch the storage (disks re not moving anywhere), =
but it does stress the network. I doubt it, but perhaps you over-saturate t=
he ovirtmgmt network.</div><div> -- This makes sens. It's a long
shot=
though. Maybe it would be possible to create a VLAN dedicated to migration=
s in same physical network et use QOS to reserve always some bandwith to oV=
irt administration ? (maybe opening can of worms here....) <br data-mce-bog=
us=3D"1"></div><div>Y.</div><div> </div><blockquote
class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"=
<div><div
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