oVIRT 4.1 / iSCSI Multipathing

I am using the latest release of oVIRT 4.1.3, and I am connecting a Dell Compelent SAN that has 2 fault domains each on a separate VLAN that I have attached to oVIRT. From what I understand I am suppose to go into “iSCSI Multipathing” option and add a BOND of the iSCSI interfaces. I have done this selecting the 2 logical networks together for iSCSI. I notice that there is an option below to select Storage Targets but if I select the storage targets below with the logical networks the the cluster goes crazy and appears to be mad. Storage, Nodes, and everything goes offline even thought I have NFS also attached to the cluster. How should this best be configured. What we notice that happens is when the server reboots it seems to log into the SAN correctly but according the the Dell SAN it is only logged into once controller. So only pulls both fault domains from a single controller. Please Advise. Devin

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V., I am still troubleshooting the issue, I haven’t found any resolution to my issue at this point yet. I need to figure out by this Friday otherwise I need to look at Xen or another solution. iSCSI and oVIRT seems problematic. -- Devin Acosta Red Hat Certified Architect, LinuxStack On July 16, 2017 at 11:53:59 PM, Vinícius Ferrão (ferrao@if.ufrj.br) wrote: Have you found any solution for this problem? I’m using an FreeNAS machine to server iSCSI but I’ve the exactly same problem. I’ve reinstalled oVirt at least 3 times during the weekend trying to solve the issue. At this moment my iSCSI Multipath tab is just inconsitent. I can’t see both VLAN’s on “Logical networks” but only one target shows up on Storage Targets. When I was able to found two targets everything went down and I needed to reboot the host and the Hosted Engine to regenerate oVirt. V. On 11 Jul 2017, at 19:29, Devin Acosta <devin@pabstatencio.com> wrote: I am using the latest release of oVIRT 4.1.3, and I am connecting a Dell Compelent SAN that has 2 fault domains each on a separate VLAN that I have attached to oVIRT. From what I understand I am suppose to go into “iSCSI Multipathing” option and add a BOND of the iSCSI interfaces. I have done this selecting the 2 logical networks together for iSCSI. I notice that there is an option below to select Storage Targets but if I select the storage targets below with the logical networks the the cluster goes crazy and appears to be mad. Storage, Nodes, and everything goes offline even thought I have NFS also attached to the cluster. How should this best be configured. What we notice that happens is when the server reboots it seems to log into the SAN correctly but according the the Dell SAN it is only logged into once controller. So only pulls both fault domains from a single controller. Please Advise. Devin _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Hi, Please make sure that the hosts can reach the iSCSI targets on your Dell storage using the NICs that are being used by the 2 networks dedicated for iSCSI. You can try check it using 'ping -I <int_name> <target_addr>'. Thanks, ELAD BEN AHARON SENIOR QUALITY ENGINEER Red Hat Israel Ltd. <https://www.redhat.com/> 34 Jerusalem Road, Building A, 1st floor Ra'anana, Israel 4350109 ebenahar@redhat.com T: +972-9-7692007/8272007 <https://red.ht/sig> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Devin Acosta <devin@pabstatencio.com> wrote:
V.,
I am still troubleshooting the issue, I haven’t found any resolution to my issue at this point yet. I need to figure out by this Friday otherwise I need to look at Xen or another solution. iSCSI and oVIRT seems problematic.
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Devin Acosta Red Hat Certified Architect, LinuxStack
On July 16, 2017 at 11:53:59 PM, Vinícius Ferrão (ferrao@if.ufrj.br) wrote:
Have you found any solution for this problem?
I’m using an FreeNAS machine to server iSCSI but I’ve the exactly same problem. I’ve reinstalled oVirt at least 3 times during the weekend trying to solve the issue.
At this moment my iSCSI Multipath tab is just inconsitent. I can’t see both VLAN’s on “Logical networks” but only one target shows up on Storage Targets.
When I was able to found two targets everything went down and I needed to reboot the host and the Hosted Engine to regenerate oVirt.
V.
On 11 Jul 2017, at 19:29, Devin Acosta <devin@pabstatencio.com> wrote:
I am using the latest release of oVIRT 4.1.3, and I am connecting a Dell Compelent SAN that has 2 fault domains each on a separate VLAN that I have attached to oVIRT. From what I understand I am suppose to go into “iSCSI Multipathing” option and add a BOND of the iSCSI interfaces. I have done this selecting the 2 logical networks together for iSCSI. I notice that there is an option below to select Storage Targets but if I select the storage targets below with the logical networks the the cluster goes crazy and appears to be mad. Storage, Nodes, and everything goes offline even thought I have NFS also attached to the cluster.
How should this best be configured. What we notice that happens is when the server reboots it seems to log into the SAN correctly but according the the Dell SAN it is only logged into once controller. So only pulls both fault domains from a single controller.
Please Advise.
Devin
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Hi, Am 17.07.2017 um 14:11 schrieb Devin Acosta:
I am still troubleshooting the issue, I haven’t found any resolution to my issue at this point yet. I need to figure out by this Friday otherwise I need to look at Xen or another solution. iSCSI and oVIRT seems problematic.
The configuration of iSCSI-Multipathing via OVirt didn't work for me either. IIRC the underlying problem in my case was that I use totally isolated networks for each path. Workaround: to make round robin work you have to enable it by editing "/etc/multipath.conf". Just add the 3 lines for the round robin setting (see comment in the file) and additionally add the "# VDSM PRIVATE" comment to keep vdsmd from overwriting your settings. My multipath.conf:
# VDSM REVISION 1.3 # VDSM PRIVATE
defaults { polling_interval 5 no_path_retry fail user_friendly_names no flush_on_last_del yes fast_io_fail_tmo 5 dev_loss_tmo 30 max_fds 4096 # 3 lines added manually for multipathing: path_selector "round-robin 0" path_grouping_policy multibus failback immediate }
# Remove devices entries when overrides section is available. devices { device { # These settings overrides built-in devices settings. It does not apply # to devices without built-in settings (these use the settings in the # "defaults" section), or to devices defined in the "devices" section. # Note: This is not available yet on Fedora 21. For more info see # https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1253799 all_devs yes no_path_retry fail } }
To enable the settings: systemctl restart multipathd See if it works: multipath -ll HTH, Uwe

Hi, just to avoid misunderstandings: the workaround I suggested means that I don't use OVirt's iSCSI-Bonding at all (because it let's my environment misbehave in the same way you described). cu, Uwe

Hello, I’ve skipped this message entirely yesterday. So this is per design? Because the best practices of iSCSI MPIO, as far as I know, recommends two completely separate paths. If this can’t be achieved with oVirt what’s the point of running MPIO? May we ask for a bug fix or a feature redesign on this? MPIO is part of my datacenter, and it was originally build for running XenServer, but I’m considering the move to oVirt. MPIO isn’t working right and this can be a great no-go for me... I’m willing to wait and hold my DC project if this can be fixed. Any answer from the redhat folks? Thanks, V.
On 18 Jul 2017, at 11:09, Uwe Laverenz <uwe@laverenz.de> wrote:
Hi,
Am 17.07.2017 um 14:11 schrieb Devin Acosta:
I am still troubleshooting the issue, I haven’t found any resolution to my issue at this point yet. I need to figure out by this Friday otherwise I need to look at Xen or another solution. iSCSI and oVIRT seems problematic.
The configuration of iSCSI-Multipathing via OVirt didn't work for me either. IIRC the underlying problem in my case was that I use totally isolated networks for each path.
Workaround: to make round robin work you have to enable it by editing "/etc/multipath.conf". Just add the 3 lines for the round robin setting (see comment in the file) and additionally add the "# VDSM PRIVATE" comment to keep vdsmd from overwriting your settings.
My multipath.conf:
# VDSM REVISION 1.3 # VDSM PRIVATE defaults { polling_interval 5 no_path_retry fail user_friendly_names no flush_on_last_del yes fast_io_fail_tmo 5 dev_loss_tmo 30 max_fds 4096 # 3 lines added manually for multipathing: path_selector "round-robin 0" path_grouping_policy multibus failback immediate } # Remove devices entries when overrides section is available. devices { device { # These settings overrides built-in devices settings. It does not apply # to devices without built-in settings (these use the settings in the # "defaults" section), or to devices defined in the "devices" section. # Note: This is not available yet on Fedora 21. For more info see # https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1253799 all_devs yes no_path_retry fail } }
To enable the settings:
systemctl restart multipathd
See if it works:
multipath -ll
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On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Vinícius Ferrão <ferrao@if.ufrj.br> wrote:
Hello,
I’ve skipped this message entirely yesterday. So this is per design? Because the best practices of iSCSI MPIO, as far as I know, recommends two completely separate paths. If this can’t be achieved with oVirt what’s the point of running MPIO?
With regular storage it is quite easy to achieve using 'iSCSI bonding'. I think the Dell storage is a bit different and requires some more investigation - or experience with it. Y.
May we ask for a bug fix or a feature redesign on this?
MPIO is part of my datacenter, and it was originally build for running XenServer, but I’m considering the move to oVirt. MPIO isn’t working right and this can be a great no-go for me...
I’m willing to wait and hold my DC project if this can be fixed.
Any answer from the redhat folks?
Thanks, V.
On 18 Jul 2017, at 11:09, Uwe Laverenz <uwe@laverenz.de> wrote:
Hi,
Am 17.07.2017 um 14:11 schrieb Devin Acosta:
I am still troubleshooting the issue, I haven’t found any resolution to my issue at this point yet. I need to figure out by this Friday otherwise I need to look at Xen or another solution. iSCSI and oVIRT seems problematic.
The configuration of iSCSI-Multipathing via OVirt didn't work for me either. IIRC the underlying problem in my case was that I use totally isolated networks for each path.
Workaround: to make round robin work you have to enable it by editing "/etc/multipath.conf". Just add the 3 lines for the round robin setting (see comment in the file) and additionally add the "# VDSM PRIVATE" comment to keep vdsmd from overwriting your settings.
My multipath.conf:
# VDSM REVISION 1.3 # VDSM PRIVATE defaults { polling_interval 5 no_path_retry fail user_friendly_names no flush_on_last_del yes fast_io_fail_tmo 5 dev_loss_tmo 30 max_fds 4096 # 3 lines added manually for multipathing: path_selector "round-robin 0" path_grouping_policy multibus failback immediate } # Remove devices entries when overrides section is available. devices { device { # These settings overrides built-in devices settings. It does not apply # to devices without built-in settings (these use the settings in the # "defaults" section), or to devices defined in the "devices" section. # Note: This is not available yet on Fedora 21. For more info see # https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1253799 all_devs yes no_path_retry fail } }
To enable the settings:
systemctl restart multipathd
See if it works:
multipath -ll
HTH, Uwe _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A485472F7B236F6466AB7AEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, [Unusual setup] Last week, I eventually managed to make a 4.2.1.7 oVirt work with iscsi-multipathing on both hosts and guest, connected to a Dell Equallogic SAN which is providing one single virtual ip - my hosts have two dedicated NICS for iscsi, but on the same VLAN. Torture-tests showed good resilience. [Classical setup] But this year, we plan to create at least two additional DCs but to connect their hosts to a "classical" SAN, ie which provides TWO IPs on segregated VLANs (not routed), and we'd like to use the same iscsi-multipathing feature. The discussion below could lead to think that oVirt needs the two iscsi VLANs to be routed, allowing the hosts in one VLAN to access to resources in the other. As Vinicius explained, this is not a best practice to say the least. Searching through the mailing list archive, I found no answer to Vinicius' question. May a Redhat storage and/or network expert enlighten us on these points? Regards, -- Nicolas Ecarnot Le 21/07/2017 à 20:56, Vinícius Ferrão a écrit :
On 21 Jul 2017, at 15:12, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com <mailto:ykaul@redhat.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Vinícius Ferrão <ferrao@if.ufrj.br <mailto:ferrao@if.ufrj.br>> wrote:
Hello,
I’ve skipped this message entirely yesterday. So this is per design? Because the best practices of iSCSI MPIO, as far as I know, recommends two completely separate paths. If this can’t be achieved with oVirt what’s the point of running MPIO?
With regular storage it is quite easy to achieve using 'iSCSI bonding'. I think the Dell storage is a bit different and requires some more investigation - or experience with it. Y.
Yaniv, thank you for answering this. I’m really hoping that a solution would be found.
Actually I’m not running anything from DELL. My storage system is FreeNAS which is pretty standard and, as far as I know, iSCSI practices dictates segregate networks for proper working.
All other major virtualization products supports iSCSI this way: vSphere, XenServer and Hyper-V. So I was really surprised that oVirt (and even RHV, I requested a trial yesterday) does not implement ISCSI with the well know best practices.
There’s a picture of the architecture that I take from Google when searching for ”mpio best practives”: https://image.slidesharecdn.com/2010-12-06-midwest-reg-vmug-101206110506-php...
Ans as you can see it’s segregated networks on a machine reaching the same target.
In my case, my datacenter has five Hypervisor Machines, with two NICs dedicated for iSCSI. Both NICs connect to different converged ethernet switches and the iStorage is connected the same way.
So it really does not make sense that a the first NIC can reach the second NIC target. In a case of a switch failure the cluster will go down anyway, so what’s the point of running MPIO? Right?
Thanks once again, V.
--------------A485472F7B236F6466AB7AEC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello,<br> <br> [<font color="#ff0000">Unusual setup</font>]<br> Last week, I eventually managed to make a 4.2.1.7 oVirt work with iscsi-multipathing on both hosts and guest, connected to a Dell Equallogic SAN which is providing one single virtual ip - my hosts have two dedicated NICS for iscsi, but <font color="#ff0000">on the same VLAN</font>. Torture-tests showed good resilience.<br> <br> [<font color="#009900">Classical setup</font>]<br> But this year, we plan to create at least two additional DCs but to connect their hosts to a "classical" SAN, ie which provides TWO IPs <font color="#009900">on segregated VLANs (not routed)</font>, and we'd like to use the same iscsi-multipathing feature.<br> <br> The discussion below could lead to think that oVirt needs the two iscsi VLANs to be routed, allowing the hosts in one VLAN to access to resources in the other.<br> As Vinicius explained, this is not a best practice to say the least.<br> <br> Searching through the mailing list archive, I found no answer to Vinicius' question.<br> <br> May a Redhat storage and/or network expert enlighten us on these points?<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> -- <br> Nicolas Ecarnot<br> <br> Le 21/07/2017 à 20:56, Vinícius Ferrão a écrit :<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:54FF808B-215E-441D-9864-38DBDD9F32E8@if.ufrj.br"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <div class=""><br class=""> </div> <div> <blockquote type="cite" class=""> <div class="">On 21 Jul 2017, at 15:12, Yaniv Kaul <<a href="mailto:ykaul@redhat.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ykaul@redhat.com</a>> wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <div class=""> <div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""> <div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""> <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Vinícius Ferrão <span dir="ltr" class=""> <<a href="mailto:ferrao@if.ufrj.br" target="_blank" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ferrao@if.ufrj.br</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hello,<br class=""> <br class=""> I’ve skipped this message entirely yesterday. So this is per design? Because the best practices of iSCSI MPIO, as far as I know, recommends two completely separate paths. If this can’t be achieved with oVirt what’s the point of running MPIO?<br class=""> </blockquote> <div class=""><br class=""> </div> <div class="">With regular storage it is quite easy to achieve using 'iSCSI bonding'.</div> <div class="">I think the Dell storage is a bit different and requires some more investigation - or experience with it.</div> <div class=""> Y.</div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br class=""> </div> <div>Yaniv, thank you for answering this. I’m really hoping that a solution would be found.</div> <div><br class=""> </div> <div>Actually I’m not running anything from DELL. My storage system is FreeNAS which is pretty standard and, as far as I know, iSCSI practices dictates segregate networks for proper working.</div> <div><br class=""> </div> <div>All other major virtualization products supports iSCSI this way: vSphere, XenServer and Hyper-V. So I was really surprised that oVirt (and even RHV, I requested a trial yesterday) does not implement ISCSI with the well know best practices.</div> <div><br class=""> </div> <div>There’s a picture of the architecture that I take from Google when searching for ”mpio best practives”: <a href="https://image.slidesharecdn.com/2010-12-06-midwest-reg-vmug-101206110506-php..." class="" moz-do-not-send="true"> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/2010-12-06-midwest-reg-vmug-101206110506-phpapp01/95/nextgeneration-best-practices-for-vmware-and-storage-15-728.jpg?cb=1296301640</a></div> <div><br class=""> </div> <div>Ans as you can see it’s segregated networks on a machine reaching the same target.</div> <div><br class=""> </div> <div>In my case, my datacenter has five Hypervisor Machines, with two NICs dedicated for iSCSI. Both NICs connect to different converged ethernet switches and the iStorage is connected the same way.</div> <div><br class=""> </div> <div>So it really does not make sense that a the first NIC can reach the second NIC target. In a case of a switch failure the cluster will go down anyway, so what’s the point of running MPIO? Right?</div> <div><br class=""> </div> <div>Thanks once again,</div> <div>V.</div> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html> --------------A485472F7B236F6466AB7AEC--

Hi, Nicolas. As long, as you are able to set up two separate iscsi sessions, which are bount to two separate paths - multipath driver will handle the rest. As I understand, Yaniv is talking about iscsi bonding, which is a bit more broad sort of multipath (per description - https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/admin-guide/chap-Storage/) - it creates all possible paths between all possible initiators and targets within bond. Personally, I don't think it's necessary - it's always better to control the connections the way you described - two vlans, each vlan contains one server NIC and one storage NIC, that's it. Sergei.
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Devin Acosta
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Elad Ben Aharon
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Nicolas Ecarnot
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Sergei Hanus
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Uwe Laverenz
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Vinícius Ferrão
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Yaniv Kaul