Performance differences between ext4 and XFS
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5640B3BABD92E56AA1B64E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to find out what filesystem people are using to host Virtual Machines in qcow2 files in a filesystem in Localstorage, ext4 or XFS ? I normally like XFS for big files which is the case fo VMs, but wondered if anyone could see any performance advantage when compared with ext4. Fernando --------------5640B3BABD92E56AA1B64E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Just wanted to find out what filesystem people are using to host </font>Virtual Machines in qcow2 files in a filesystem in Localstorage, ext4 or XFS ?<br> <br> I normally like XFS for big files which is the case fo VMs, but wondered if anyone could see any performance advantage when compared with ext4.<br> <br> Fernando<br> </body> </html> --------------5640B3BABD92E56AA1B64E20--
------=_NextPartTM-000-0ebd3f3f-1908-49ec-bde5-c3b2eba7f8ca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_12EF8D94C6F8734FB2FF37B9FBEDD173010E01D79FEXCHANGEcollo_" --_000_12EF8D94C6F8734FB2FF37B9FBEDD173010E01D79FEXCHANGEcollo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fernando, we personally like XFS very much. But XFS + qcow2 (even for snapshots in OV= irt) comes close to a no-go these days. We are experience excessive fragmentatio= n. For more info see unresolved Redhat Info: https://access.redhat.com/solutions/532663 Even with tuning the XFS allocation policy on the qcow2 directory with xfs_io -c 'extsize -R 2M' <qcow2-dir> A nice 3rd party explanation can be found here: https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allocation-deadl= ock-kmem_alloc/ Markus ________________________________ Von: users-bounces@ovirt.org [users-bounces@ovirt.org]" im Auftrag von "FER= NANDO FREDIANI [fernando.frediani@upx.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2017 23:35 An: users@ovirt.org Betreff: [ovirt-users] Performance differences between ext4 and XFS Just wanted to find out what filesystem people are using to host Virtual Ma= chines in qcow2 files in a filesystem in Localstorage, ext4 or XFS ? I normally like XFS for big files which is the case fo VMs, but wondered if= anyone could see any performance advantage when compared with ext4. Fernando --_000_12EF8D94C6F8734FB2FF37B9FBEDD173010E01D79FEXCHANGEcollo_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html dir=3D"ltr"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <style type=3D"text/css" id=3D"owaParaStyle"></style> </head> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" fpstyle=3D"1" ocsi=3D"0"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color: #000000;font-size: 1= 0pt;"> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Hi Fernando, </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">we personally like XFS= very much. But XFS + qcow2 (even for snapshots in OVirt)</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">comes close to a no-go= these days. We are experience excessive fragmentation.</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">For more info see unre= solved Redhat Info:</div> <div><font face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size: 13px;"><br> </span></font></div> <div><font face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size: 13px;">https://access.= redhat.com/solutions/532663</span></font></div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Even with tuning the X= FS allocation policy on the qcow2 directory with </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div><font face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size: 13px;">xfs_io -c 'exts= ize -R 2M' <qcow2-dir></span></font></div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">A nice 3rd party expla= nation can be found here:</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div><font face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size: 13px;">https://blog.co= decentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allocation-deadlock-kmem_alloc/= </span></font></div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Markus</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"ofmeet-extension-installed" style=3D"display:none"></div> </div> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; color: #000000; font-size: 16px= "> <hr tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRpF447039" style=3D"direction: ltr;"><font face=3D"Tahoma" si= ze=3D"2" color=3D"#000000"><b>Von:</b> users-bounces@ovirt.org [users-bounc= es@ovirt.org]" im Auftrag von "FERNANDO FREDIANI [fernando.fredia= ni@upx.com]<br> <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 7. 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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------00EFFC74F23A0F6D5A7D770C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks for your input Markus. Helps to device before putting the server in production. Regards Fernando On 08/06/2017 02:19, Markus Stockhausen wrote:
Hi Fernando,
we personally like XFS very much. But XFS + qcow2 (even for snapshots in OVirt) comes close to a no-go these days. We are experience excessive fragmentation. For more info see unresolved Redhat Info:
https://access.redhat.com/solutions/532663
Even with tuning the XFS allocation policy on the qcow2 directory with
xfs_io -c 'extsize -R 2M' <qcow2-dir>
A nice 3rd party explanation can be found here:
https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allocation-deadlo...
Markus
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Von:* users-bounces@ovirt.org [users-bounces@ovirt.org]" im Auftrag von "FERNANDO FREDIANI [fernando.frediani@upx.com] *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2017 23:35 *An:* users@ovirt.org *Betreff:* [ovirt-users] Performance differences between ext4 and XFS
Just wanted to find out what filesystem people are using to host Virtual Machines in qcow2 files in a filesystem in Localstorage, ext4 or XFS ?
I normally like XFS for big files which is the case fo VMs, but wondered if anyone could see any performance advantage when compared with ext4.
Fernando
--------------00EFFC74F23A0F6D5A7D770C Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <p>Many thanks for your input Markus. Helps to device before putting the server in production.</p> <p>Regards<br> Fernando<br> </p> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/06/2017 02:19, Markus Stockhausen wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:12EF8D94C6F8734FB2FF37B9FBEDD173010E01D79F@EXCHANGE.collogia.de"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> <style type="text/css" id="owaParaStyle"></style> <div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;"> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Hi Fernando, </div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">we personally like XFS very much. But XFS + qcow2 (even for snapshots in OVirt)</div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">comes close to a no-go these days. We are experience excessive fragmentation.</div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">For more info see unresolved Redhat Info:</div> <div><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><br> </span></font></div> <div><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://access.redhat.com/solutions/532663">https://access.redhat.com/solutions/532663</a></span></font></div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Even with tuning the XFS allocation policy on the qcow2 directory with </div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 13px;">xfs_io -c 'extsize -R 2M' <qcow2-dir></span></font></div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">A nice 3rd party explanation can be found here:</div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allocation-deadlock-kmem_alloc/">https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allocation-deadlock-kmem_alloc/</a></span></font></div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Markus</div> <div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #000000; font-size: 16px"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <div id="divRpF447039" style="direction: ltr;"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Von:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org">users-bounces@ovirt.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org">users-bounces@ovirt.org</a>]" im Auftrag von "FERNANDO FREDIANI [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>]<br> <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2017 23:35<br> <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:users@ovirt.org">users@ovirt.org</a><br> <b>Betreff:</b> [ovirt-users] Performance differences between ext4 and XFS<br> </font><br> </div> <div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Just wanted to find out what filesystem people are using to host </font>Virtual Machines in qcow2 files in a filesystem in Localstorage, ext4 or XFS ?<br> <br> I normally like XFS for big files which is the case fo VMs, but wondered if anyone could see any performance advantage when compared with ext4.<br> <br> Fernando<br> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> --------------00EFFC74F23A0F6D5A7D770C--
--Apple-Mail=_3D21898F-64FE-46D0-BF2A-D3D37F516006 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I just got bitten by this particular problem, on a heavily used disk = image. I'm trying to defragment the disk images. Hop this will help.
Le 8 juin 2017 =C3=A0 07:19, Markus Stockhausen = <stockhausen@collogia.de> a =C3=A9crit : =20 Hi Fernando,=20 =20 we personally like XFS very much. But XFS + qcow2 (even for snapshots = in OVirt) comes close to a no-go these days. We are experience excessive = fragmentation. For more info see unresolved Redhat Info: =20 https://access.redhat.com/solutions/532663 = <https://access.redhat.com/solutions/532663> =20 Even with tuning the XFS allocation policy on the qcow2 directory with=20=
=20 xfs_io -c 'extsize -R 2M' <qcow2-dir> =20 A nice 3rd party explanation can be found here: =20 = https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allocation-dead= lock-kmem_alloc/ = <https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allocation-dea= dlock-kmem_alloc/> =20 Markus =20 Von: users-bounces@ovirt.org <mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org> = [users-bounces@ovirt.org <mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org>]" im Auftrag = von "FERNANDO FREDIANI [fernando.frediani@upx.com = <mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com>] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2017 23:35 An: users@ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> Betreff: [ovirt-users] Performance differences between ext4 and XFS =20 Just wanted to find out what filesystem people are using to host = Virtual Machines in qcow2 files in a filesystem in Localstorage, ext4 or = XFS ? =20 I normally like XFS for big files which is the case fo VMs, but = wondered if anyone could see any performance advantage when compared = with ext4. =20 Fernando = <InterScan_Disclaimer.txt>_______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users = <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>
--Apple-Mail=_3D21898F-64FE-46D0-BF2A-D3D37F516006 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D"">I just got bitten by this particular problem, on a heavily = used disk image. I'm trying to defragment the disk images. Hop this will = help.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Le = 8 juin 2017 =C3=A0 07:19, Markus Stockhausen <<a = href=3D"mailto:stockhausen@collogia.de" = class=3D"">stockhausen@collogia.de</a>> a =C3=A9crit :</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div = style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: = normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: = auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); direction: ltr; font-family: = Arial; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" = class=3D"">Hi Fernando,<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div = style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" = class=3D"">we personally like XFS very much. But XFS + qcow2 (even for = snapshots in OVirt)</div><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: = 13px;" class=3D"">comes close to a no-go these days. We are experience = excessive fragmentation.</div><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">For more info see unresolved Redhat = Info:</div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Tahoma" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></span></font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Tahoma" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://access.redhat.com/solutions/532663" = class=3D"">https://access.redhat.com/solutions/532663</a></span></font></d= iv><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" = class=3D"">Even with tuning the XFS allocation policy on the qcow2 = directory with </div><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: = 13px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><font = face=3D"Tahoma" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 13px;" = class=3D"">xfs_io -c 'extsize -R 2M' = <qcow2-dir></span></font></div><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; = font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" class=3D"">A nice 3rd = party explanation can be found here:</div><div style=3D"font-family: = Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D""><font face=3D"Tahoma" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: = 13px;" class=3D""><a = href=3D"https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allocat= ion-deadlock-kmem_alloc/" = class=3D"">https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2017/04/xfs-possible-memory-allo= cation-deadlock-kmem_alloc/</a></span></font></div><div = style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;" = class=3D"">Markus</div><div style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: = 13px;" class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div = style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px;" class=3D""><hr = tabindex=3D"-1" class=3D""><div id=3D"divRpF447039" style=3D"direction: = ltr;" class=3D""><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2" class=3D""><b = class=3D"">Von:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org" = class=3D"">users-bounces@ovirt.org</a><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a = href=3D"mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org" = class=3D"">users-bounces@ovirt.org</a>]" im Auftrag von "FERNANDO = FREDIANI [<a href=3D"mailto:fernando.frediani@upx.com" = class=3D"">fernando.frediani@upx.com</a>]<br class=3D""><b = class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mittwoch, 7. 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Fabrice Bacchella -
FERNANDO FREDIANI -
Markus Stockhausen