Am 02.04.2021 um 17:10 schrieb David White via Users <users(a)ovirt.org&gt;: I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so as not to hijack the original thread. I'm sure that this topic has come up before. I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing with oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to the mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to deploy to a production environment. I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my experience grow. I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture to allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm concerned about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going to support RHV going forward. What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that it is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to prevent Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what happened to CentOS 8? As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others help to contribute to the project to ensure its longevity? Or should I really just go find an alternative in the future? (I had been planning to use oVirt for a while, and did some testing last fall, so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I don't have time to switch gears and change my plans to use something else, like Proxmox or something. From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can understand Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, now that OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that OpenShift is a lot more complicated and requires more resources. I really don't need a full kubernetes environment. I just need a stable virtualization platform. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:44 PM, Thomas Hoberg <thomas(a)hoberg.net&gt; wrote: > I personally consider the fact that you gave up on 4.3/CentOS7 before CentOS 8 could have even been remotely reliable to run "a free open-source virtualization solution for your entire enterprise", a rather violent break of trust. > > I understand Redhat's motivation with Python 2/3 etc., but users just don't. Please just try for a minute to view this from a user's perspective. > > With CentOS 7 supported until 2024, we naturally expect the added value on top via oVirt to persist just as long. > > And with CentOS 8 support lasting until the end of this year, oVirt 4.4 can't be considered "Petrus" or a rock to build on. > > Most of us run oVirt simply because we are most interested in the VMs it runs (tenants paying rent). > > We're not interested in keeping oVirt itself stable and from failing after any update to the house of cards. > > And yes, by now I am sorry to have chosen oVirt at all, finding that 4.3 was abandonend before 4.4 or the CentOS 8 below was even stable and long before the base OS ran out of support. > > To the users out there oVirt is a platform, a tool, not a means to itself. <publickey - dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com - 0x320CD582.asc>_______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/IBWLTSCR5OS...

I first received news about the RHEV and OpenShift convergence from my Red Hat TAM at one of my jobs. However, a quick search on Google produces this: https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/rhev, which says, in part: Moving forward the RHV management feature set will be converged with OpenShift and OpenShift Virtualization providing customers with requirements for containers and VMs a migration path and a common platform for deploying and managing both. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, April 3, 2021 4:52 AM, Timo Veith <timo.veith(a)uni-tuebingen.de&gt; wrote: > Dear David, > > do you have a link to that anouncement which you have referenced below "so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me“ > > Cheers > Timo > >> Am 02.04.2021 um 17:10 schrieb David White via Users users(a)ovirt.org: >> I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so as not to hijack the original thread. >> I'm sure that this topic has come up before. >> I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing with oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to the mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to deploy to a production environment. >> I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my experience grow. >> I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture to allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm concerned about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going to support RHV going forward. >> What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that it is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to prevent Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what happened to CentOS 8? >> As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others help to contribute to the project to ensure its longevity? Or should I really just go find an alternative in the future? (I had been planning to use oVirt for a while, and did some testing last fall, so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I don't have time to switch gears and change my plans to use something else, like Proxmox or something. >> From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can understand Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, now that OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that OpenShift is a lot more complicated and requires more resources. I really don't need a full kubernetes environment. I just need a stable virtualization platform. >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:44 PM, Thomas Hoberg thomas(a)hoberg.net wrote: >> >>> I personally consider the fact that you gave up on 4.3/CentOS7 before CentOS 8 could have even been remotely reliable to run "a free open-source virtualization solution for your entire enterprise", a rather violent break of trust. >>> I understand Redhat's motivation with Python 2/3 etc., but users just don't. Please just try for a minute to view this from a user's perspective. >>> With CentOS 7 supported until 2024, we naturally expect the added value on top via oVirt to persist just as long. >>> And with CentOS 8 support lasting until the end of this year, oVirt 4.4 can't be considered "Petrus" or a rock to build on. >>> Most of us run oVirt simply because we are most interested in the VMs it runs (tenants paying rent). >>> We're not interested in keeping oVirt itself stable and from failing after any update to the house of cards. >>> And yes, by now I am sorry to have chosen oVirt at all, finding that 4.3 was abandonend before 4.4 or the CentOS 8 below was even stable and long before the base OS ran out of support. >>> To the users out there oVirt is a platform, a tool, not a means to itself. >> <publickey - dmwhite823(a)protonmail.com - 0x320CD582.asc>_______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org >> Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html >> oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ >> List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/IBWLTSCR5OS... > Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html > oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ > List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/UXUMNX46AGN... _______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/DDPI635O2MQ...

I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so as not to hijack the original thread. I'm sure that this topic has come up before.

I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing with oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to the mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to deploy to a production environment. I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my experience grow.

I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture to allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm concerned about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going to support RHV going forward. What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that it is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to prevent Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what happened to CentOS 8?

As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others

Or should I really just go find an alternative in the future? (I had been planning to use oVirt for a while, and did some testing last fall, so the announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I don't have time to switch gears and change my plans to use something else, like Proxmox or something. From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can understand Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, now that OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that OpenShift is a lot more complicated and requires more resources. I really don't need a full kubernetes environment. I just need a stable virtualization platform.

On 7. 4. 2021, at 17:22, Nathanaël Blanchet <blanchet(a)abes.fr&gt; wrote: Hi, Le 06/04/2021 à 18:15, Sandro Bonazzola a écrit : > > > Il giorno sab 3 apr 2021 alle ore 18:22 Andrei Verovski <andreil1(a)starlett.lv <mailto:andreil1@starlett.lv>> ha scritto: > Hi, > > Does all this mean oVirt will be sometime and somehow merged with OpenShift (or OKD)? > > oVirt supports integration with OKD with KubeVirt. I've no video to show it for oVIrt (yet) but you can see it here for RHV / OCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMEaZAxj9_8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMEaZAxj9_8>Tried to do the same as shown on the video on ovirt 4.4.4, but no kubevirt provider is available. Is it an option when installing or an upcoming feature?

> There is no plan to get oVirt merged into OKD. > > > Its not that easy since OKD designed primarily for Kubernetes/Docker containers. > > Or oVirt may be considered just another abandonware within 2+ years? > > oVirt is not going to be abandonware as long as the community will not abandon it. > > > > -- > Sandro Bonazzola > MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA R&D RHV > Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/> > sbonazzo(a)redhat.com <mailto:sbonazzo@redhat.com> > <https://www.redhat.com/> > Red Hat respects your work life balance. Therefore there is no need to answer this email out of your office hours. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users-leave@ovirt.org> > Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html <https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html> > oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ <https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/> > List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/Z7MPCRZKWD6... <https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/Z7MPCRZKWD6... -- Nathanaël Blanchet Supervision réseau SIRE 227 avenue Professeur-Jean-Louis-Viala 34193 MONTPELLIER CEDEX 5 Tél. 33 (0)4 67 54 84 55 Fax 33 (0)4 67 54 84 14 blanchet(a)abes.fr <mailto:blanchet@abes.fr>_______________________________________________ Users mailing list -- users(a)ovirt.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)ovirt.org Privacy Statement: https://www.ovirt.org/privacy-policy.html oVirt Code of Conduct: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/community-guidelines/ List Archives: https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/message/4C7UIUX37CU...

Il giorno ven 2 apr 2021 alle ore 17:12 David White via Users < users(a)ovirt.org&gt; ha scritto: > I'm replying to Thomas's thread below, but am creating a new subject so > as not to hijack the original thread. > > I'm sure that this topic has come up before. It has been raised in different places multiple times, just mentioning a few: - https://www.reddit.com/r/ovirt/comments/lrpl4h/rhv_moving_to_openshift_vi... - https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/thread/DE3S4POHD37C... - https://lists.ovirt.org/archives/list/users@ovirt.org/thread/A3Z7SWWOTGAS... but don't worry, this one won't be the last :-) > I first joined this list last fall, when I began planning and testing > with oVirt, but as of the past few weeks, I'm paying closer attention to > the mailing list now that I'm actually using oVirt and am getting ready to > deploy to a production environment. > > I'll also try to jump in and help other people as time permits and as my > experience grow. > On behalf of the other users, thanks for doing it! > > I echo Thomas's concerns here. While I'm thankful for Red Hat's gesture > to allow people to use up to 16 Red Hat installs at no charge, I'm > concerned about the longevity of oVirt, now that Red Hat is no longer going > to support RHV going forward. > > What is the benefit to Red Hat / IBM of supporting this platform now that > it is no longer being commercialized as a Red Hat product? What is to > prevent Red Hat from pulling the plug on this project, similar to what > happened to CentOS 8? > CentOS Linux is a downstream project with a trademark owned by Red Hat that delivered rebuilds of a Red Hat product. oVirt is an upstream open source project that is consumed by Red Hat, Oracle, OpenEuler, KylinOS (and I don't know how many others) for their downstream products. Despite Red Hat published a life cycle page for Red Hat Virtualization 4.4 will reach end of life in 2026 that has nothing to do with the life of the oVirt project which depends only on how long the community will keep investing in it. > As a user of oVirt (4.5, installed on Red Hat 8.3), how can I and others help to contribute to the project to ensure its longevity? Thanks for asking! A few way community can help keep oVirt project healthy: - Helping new users as you are doing - Submitting patches (kudos to community user Jean-Louis Dupond who recently pushed patches fixing the issues he found while using oVirt) - Testing release candidates and reporting issues - Contributing to oVirt documentation - Donating hardware / virtual machines (yes: time, good will and code are not enough to keep a project healthy) - Getting other distributions engaged with oVirt (like AlmaLinux, RockyLinux, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Gentoo, Debian, ...) so they can package oVirt and ship it in their repositories

The more people are going to contribute to the project the longer the community will live, as for any other open source project. Also a note for any company / community out there willing to put 10 or more developers working on the oVirt project: as strategic contributor you can ask to join the oVirt Board: https://www.ovirt.org/community/about/board.html and help defining the oVirt project future. > > Or should I really just go find an alternative in the future? (I had been > planning to use oVirt for a while, and did some testing last fall, so the > announcement of RHV's (commercial) demise was poor timing for me, because I > don't have time to switch gears and change my plans to use something else, > like Proxmox or something. > > From what I've seen, this is a great product, and I guess I can > understand Red Hat's decision to pull the plug on the commercial project, > now that OpenShift supports full VMs. But my understanding is that > OpenShift is a lot more complicated and requires more resources. I really > don't need a full kubernetes environment. I just need a stable > virtualization platform. > I'm happy to read positive feedback on oVirt :-) -- Sandro Bonazzola MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA R&D RHV Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/> sbonazzo(a)redhat.com <https://www.redhat.com/> *Red Hat respects your work life balance. Therefore there is no need to answer this email out of your office hours.*