[Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi all, Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. Thanks Malini
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Malini Rao wrote:
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini
I like very much the clean layout of the proposed admin console but I prefer the current icon set. I prefer the current login page, but it could depend on the background of the new proposed one that I don't like very much. Thanks for your time. Gianluca
Thanks Gianluca. One followup question - Is the preference for the existing icon set because users are already familiar with them or because it is harder to discern the icons in the new style or just a subjective preference? Thanks Malini ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gianluca Cecchi" <gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com> To: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 2:46:02 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Malini Rao wrote:
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini
I like very much the clean layout of the proposed admin console but I prefer the current icon set. I prefer the current login page, but it could depend on the background of the new proposed one that I don't like very much. Thanks for your time. Gianluca
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Malini Rao wrote:
Thanks Gianluca. One followup question - Is the preference for the existing icon set because users are already familiar with them or because it is harder to discern the icons in the new style or just a subjective preference?
Because users already familiar and because of a subjective preference of mine (more colours). Gianluca
Hi Malini, I like what you've done very much. But if you're going to give that much space to the resource graphs, is it possible to do something like sparklines to give us some sense of recent history? -John On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Malini Rao <mrao@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Am Montag, den 14.10.2013, 15:14 -0400 schrieb John Taylor:
Hi Malini, I like what you've done very much. But if you're going to give that much space to the resource graphs, is it possible to do something like sparklines to give us some sense of recent history?
+1 - IMO sparklines would be a good idea here. - fabian
-John
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Malini Rao <mrao@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Thanks John and Fabian. As I mentioned in another email and in the wiki page, the first round proposal limits itself to look & feel alone. Sparklines can definitely be considered but is also a new feature and will have to be triaged as such. -Malini ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabian Deutsch" <fabiand@redhat.com> To: "John Taylor" <jtt77777@gmail.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:34:21 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt Am Montag, den 14.10.2013, 15:14 -0400 schrieb John Taylor:
Hi Malini, I like what you've done very much. But if you're going to give that much space to the resource graphs, is it possible to do something like sparklines to give us some sense of recent history?
+1 - IMO sparklines would be a good idea here. - fabian
-John
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Malini Rao <mrao@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. Hi Malini, great job. I really liked it. I'd suggest evaluate better
On 10/14/2013 02:06 PM, Malini Rao wrote: the load bars color. IMHO, it seems disconnected with the overall "theme" colors or even with the green used in unselected Up icons and the head's green line. Please also evaluate the colors for all bar situations and the text color for each of them: - Selected / Unselected. - Green / Orange / Red. - Low / Medium (tricky for text color) / High value.
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------=_Part_6131079_669796486.1382119434933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the thumbs up Karli. These are sample screens and we should exte= nd the updated look & feel to the user portal too for consistency. So more = screens will have to be worked out.=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karli Sj=C3=B6berg" <Karli.Sjoberg@slu.se>=20 To: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com>=20 Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org>=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:10:54 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt=20 m=C3=A5n 2013-10-14 klockan 13:06 -0400 skrev Malini Rao:=20 Hi all,=20 Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh = and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF . Your feedback and input is invited. Thanks Malini=20 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/= users=20 I think it looks great, big thumbs up! Do you also have plans for the UserP= ortal?=20 =09--=20 Med V=C3=A4nliga H=C3=A4lsningar=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----=20 Karli Sj=C3=B6berg=20 Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences=20 Box 7079 (Visiting Address Kron=C3=A5sv=C3=A4gen 8)=20 S-750 07 Uppsala, Sweden=20 Phone: +46-(0)18-67 15 66=20 karli.sjoberg@slu.se=20 ------=_Part_6131079_669796486.1382119434933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, se= rif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Thanks for the thumbs up Karli. = These are sample screens and we should extend the updated look & feel t= o the user portal too for consistency. So more screens will have to be work= ed out.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwc= hr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-deco= ration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From= : </b>"Karli Sj=C3=B6berg" <Karli.Sjoberg@slu.se><br><b>To: </b>"Mali= ni Rao" <mrao@redhat.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"users" <users@ovirt.org&g= t;<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:10:54 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>= Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt<br><div><br></div> m=C3=A5n 2013-10-14 klockan 13:06 -0400 skrev Malini Rao: <blockquote> <pre>Hi all,=20 Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh = and modern look - <a href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF" target=3D"_bla= nk">http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF</a>. Your feedback and input is invited. Thanks Malini=20 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list <a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank">Users@ovirt.org</a> <a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" target=3D"_blank"=
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> I think it looks great, big thumbs up! Do you also have plans for the UserP= ortal?<br> <br> <table class=3D"mceItemTable" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" width=3D"= 100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td>-- <br> <br> Med V=C3=A4nliga H=C3=A4lsningar<br> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----<br> Karli Sj=C3=B6berg<br> Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences<br> Box 7079 (Visiting Address Kron=C3=A5sv=C3=A4gen 8)<br> S-750 07 Uppsala, Sweden<br> Phone: +46-(0)18-67 15 66<br> <a href=3D"mailto:karli.sjoberg@adm.slu.se" target=3D"_blank">karli.sjoberg= @slu.se</a> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
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Hi Malini, Really nice :) Few comments: 1. The tabs now don't look like tabs, and IMHO it's confusing. It now looks just like text - is it a button? a tab? another screen. I think it's not clear. It is also less clear in the sub tabs section as well. 2. How about making the tabs area Data Centers/Storage/Hosts... text in bold? Because the buttons under them look more vivid and the tabs area looks pale. 3. Having the same "X" icon in "Remove" and "Cancel migration" options is confusing. Especially when they are in the same menu. 4. Something that was present in the previous UI as well, but perhaps can be improved - the Events option. There are 3 "Events" buttons/menu in the same screen. Either they represent different events options (different context, for example) - and they should be named and placed accordingly, or maybe the number of "events" occurences can be reduced in the UI? 5. The colors of the new look and feel - maybe try a different green? The blue seems to have a lighter shade than green, so perhaps somehow make them more unified? ----- Original Message -----
From: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Alissa, Thanks for the insightful suggestions. Some comments inline - ----- Original Message -----
From: "Alissa Bonas" <abonas@redhat.com> To: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:15:29 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi Malini,
Really nice :)
Few comments: 1. The tabs now don't look like tabs, and IMHO it's confusing. It now looks just like text - is it a button? a tab? another screen. I think it's not clear. It is also less clear in the sub tabs section as well.
I think because I presented a static screen, it is not clear how this can function as tabs or categories/ sections of information. Upon hover and selection, the visual treatment will indicate that this is a Navigation option. Having said that, maybe we can try to strengthen the hover/ selected state visual treatment.
2. How about making the tabs area Data Centers/Storage/Hosts... text in bold? Because the buttons under them look more vivid and the tabs area looks pale.
Will iterate with a visual designer on how these two elements can be further balanced.
3. Having the same "X" icon in "Remove" and "Cancel migration" options is confusing. Especially when they are in the same menu.
Good point. FYI, These icons were quick placeholders to get a quick overall impression of the new proposal.
4. Something that was present in the previous UI as well, but perhaps can be improved - the Events option. There are 3 "Events" buttons/menu in the same screen. Either they represent different events options (different context, for example) - and they should be named and placed accordingly, or maybe the number of "events" occurences can be reduced in the UI?
Again, this is something on my list too. But as indicated earlier, this proposal aims to freshen the current UI as is.
5. The colors of the new look and feel - maybe try a different green? The blue seems to have a lighter shade than green, so perhaps somehow make them more unified?
Will iterate with visual designer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Hi Malini, On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
I think your proposal looks way better than the current oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement. Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful. Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further: - Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview - Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this - Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for anything - Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these details, if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of these, I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific datacenter or Cluster to see specific details about it. I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt. It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless information. The point is to show only *really* important information first (status, usage), and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view specific details. Remember, it's just my opinion :-) Ciao - Frank
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On 15.10.2013 11:06, Karli Sjöberg wrote:
- Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview - Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this
Perhaps. But remember that "Shut down" and "Shutting down" actually have the same icon. If the status column gets ditched, the icons need to be more clear first, in my opinion.
Definitely. The icons need to be clear.
- Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for anything
We do. It´s really good information to have when you use a centralized updating system like forcing updates and reboots through puppet or WSUS. If you see that every VM has been rebooted after there should have been updates except one, you know that VM probably is in some kind of trouble.
I understand your need, but would rather choose a monitoring solution to do the verify task. Especially when using a centralized updating system I would try hard to avoid this manual verification step. But I guess this is another story :-) Ciao - Frank
On 10/15/2013 04:36 AM, Frank Wall wrote:
Hi Malini,
On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
I think your proposal looks way better than the current oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement.
Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful.
Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further:
- Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview - Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this - Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for anything - Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these details, if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of these, I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific datacenter or Cluster to see specific details about it.
I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt. It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless information.
The point is to show only *really* important information first (status, usage), and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view specific details.
Remember, it's just my opinion :-)
as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel. please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to see per main tab.
Ciao - Frank _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 20:22 -0400, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 10/15/2013 04:36 AM, Frank Wall wrote:
Hi Malini,
On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
I think your proposal looks way better than the current oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement.
Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful.
Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further:
- Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview - Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this - Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for anything - Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these details, if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of these, I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific datacenter or Cluster to see specific details about it.
I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt. It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless information.
The point is to show only *really* important information first (status, usage), and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view specific details.
Remember, it's just my opinion :-)
as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel. please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to see per main tab.
I'm of the same opinion as Frank (and others) - there should be an option to remove/add columns to improve the look and feel. Focusing on look and feel includes this discussion as well (imho) - not just colors. The login screen posted by Malini looks really great - much better then the actual one. I also like the colors of the webadmin interface, but usability is decreased (in the screenshot) compared with the old design. Let me explain why: When I click on Virtual Machines the most important information for me is the name of a virtual machine, but it's not that easy to find the name (Name column is smaller as Host, IP Address, Cluster and Data Center). If the Name would be bold (or in another color) and columns can be removed it's much easier for me to find the right vm. Furthermore the columns for Memory, CPU and Network are ways to big and the green is too bright - this is just additional information which can be very useful but shouldn't attract me too much. So I suggest to highlight the vm names in some way and make the Name column the bigger then all other (per default - users can resize it anyways). The blue highlight of the tabs looks nice, but I fear many users will not recognize these items as tabs. As a conclusion: I like the new colors a lot, but a few adjustments are needed to improve the usability. Regards, René
Ciao - Frank _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel. please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to see per main tab.
I'm of the same opinion as Frank (and others) - there should be an option to remove/add columns to improve the look and feel.
Thank you for your feedback. we are tracking this feature via https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=957600 ---- Regards, Einav
Rene, the column widths are not prescriptive in the mockup and the current percentages can be maintained in the new design as well. Reducing information overload is a very valid point but outside the scope of this discussion which is primarily visual. I agree that it contributes to the overall look and feel of the page but is a separate effort from the development point of view. Your points on the colors are all noted and we will iterate. Thanks Malini ----- Original Message ----- From: "René Koch (ovido)" <r.koch@ovido.at> To: "Itamar Heim" <iheim@redhat.com> Cc: users@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:21:14 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt On Tue, 2013-10-15 at 20:22 -0400, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 10/15/2013 04:36 AM, Frank Wall wrote:
Hi Malini,
On 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote:
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
I think your proposal looks way better than the current oVirt interface and I think it would definitively be an improvement.
Though I think the oVirt admin interface still looks somewhat bloated. I always thought that it shows too much information at once, but only few of these facts are actually useful.
Some columns are useless most of the time. This is especially true if you consider the "Virtual Machines" tab just an overview, not an in-depth view of all VMs. Lets discuss this further:
- Display: not interesting if I just want to see the overview - Status: redundant, the icon in the first row already tells me about this - Uptime: not interesting at all, I never used this information for anything - Host, IP, Cluster, Datacenter: Really, why should I care about these details, if I just want to see an overview of my VMs? If I want to know any of these, I can click on any VM and see every detail. Or I choose a specific datacenter or Cluster to see specific details about it.
I think this applies to almost every "overview" page in oVirt. It's too much information at once, and even worse, too much useless information.
Rene, the column widths are not prescriptive in the mockup and the current percentages can be maintained in the new design as well. Reducing information overload is a very valid point but outside the scope of this discussion which is primarily visual. I agree that it contributes to the overall look and feel of the page but is a separate effort from the development point of view.
The point is to show only *really* important information first (status, usage), and from this point the user/admin should be able to go deeper and view specific details.
Remember, it's just my opinion :-)
as malini mentioned, this focused on look and feel. please open a BZ to track the RFE of allowing to choose which columns to see per main tab.
I'm of the same opinion as Frank (and others) - there should be an option to remove/add columns to improve the look and feel. Focusing on look and feel includes this discussion as well (imho) - not just colors. The login screen posted by Malini looks really great - much better then the actual one. I also like the colors of the webadmin interface, but usability is decreased (in the screenshot) compared with the old design. Let me explain why: When I click on Virtual Machines the most important information for me is the name of a virtual machine, but it's not that easy to find the name (Name column is smaller as Host, IP Address, Cluster and Data Center). If the Name would be bold (or in another color) and columns can be removed it's much easier for me to find the right vm. Furthermore the columns for Memory, CPU and Network are ways to big and the green is too bright - this is just additional information which can be very useful but shouldn't attract me too much. So I suggest to highlight the vm names in some way and make the Name column the bigger then all other (per default - users can resize it anyways). The blue highlight of the tabs looks nice, but I fear many users will not recognize these items as tabs. As a conclusion: I like the new colors a lot, but a few adjustments are needed to improve the usability. Regards, René
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Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Please add the possibility to customize the VM columns. Like adding collumns for RAM, storage domain, disks summ etc. And sorting ! -- Ernest Beinrohr, AXON PRO DevOps, Ing <http://www.beinrohr.sk/ing.php>, RHCE <http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php>, RHCVA <http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php>, LPIC <http://www.beinrohr.sk/lpic.php>, +421-2--6241-0360 <callto://+421-2--6241-0360>, +421-903--482-603 <callto://+421-903--482-603> icq:28153343, skype:oernii-work <callto://oernii-work>, jabber:oernii@jabber.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Richard Feynman --------------030004040906000002000403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dňa 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote / napísal(a):<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:1431599682.2421828.1381770409144.JavaMail.root@redhat.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi all, Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF">http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF</a>. Your feedback and input is invited. </pre> </blockquote> <br> Please add the possibility to customize the VM columns. Like adding collumns for RAM, storage domain, disks summ etc. And sorting ! <br> <br> <br> <div class="moz-signature">-- <br> <div id="oernii_footer" style="color: gray;"> <span style="font-family: Lucida Console, Luxi Mono, Courier, monospace; font-size: 90%;"> Ernest Beinrohr, AXON PRO<br> DevOps, <a style="text-decoration: none; color: gray;" href="http://www.beinrohr.sk/ing.php">Ing</a>, <a style="text-decoration: none; color: gray;" href="http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php">RHCE</a>, <a style="text-decoration: none; color: gray;" href="http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php">RHCVA</a>, <a style="text-decoration: none; color: gray;" href="http://www.beinrohr.sk/lpic.php">LPIC</a>, <a style="text-decoration: none; color: gray;" href="callto://+421-2--6241-0360">+421-2--6241-0360</a>, <a style="text-decoration: none; color: gray;" href="callto://+421-903--482-603">+421-903--482-603</a><br> icq:28153343, <a style="text-decoration: none; color: gray;" href="callto://oernii-work">skype:oernii-work</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jabber:oernii@jabber.org">jabber:oernii@jabber.org</a> <br> </span> <hr style="height: 1px; width: 95%"> <span style="font-size: 70%;"> “For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.” Richard Feynman </span> </div> </div> <img src="http://www.oernii.sk/ga.php" moz-do-not-send="true" height="1" border="0" width="1"> </body> </html> --------------030004040906000002000403--
On 10/15/2013 08:50 AM, Ernest Beinrohr wrote:
Dňa 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote / napísal(a):
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look -http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Please add the possibility to customize the VM columns. Like adding collumns for RAM, storage domain, disks summ etc. And sorting !
as malini mentioned, this focuses on the look and feel. please open a BZ to track the RFEs of (a) choosing columns, and (b) sorting. thanks, Itamar
-- Ernest Beinrohr, AXON PRO DevOps, Ing <http://www.beinrohr.sk/ing.php>, RHCE <http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php>, RHCVA <http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php>, LPIC <http://www.beinrohr.sk/lpic.php>, +421-2--6241-0360 <callto://+421-2--6241-0360>, +421-903--482-603 <callto://+421-903--482-603> icq:28153343, skype:oernii-work <callto://oernii-work>, jabber:oernii@jabber.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ “For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.” Richard Feynman
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I like the modernized look, but imo it still misses the simplistic feel. I've had a few people complain that it's hung their whole browser because of the amount of javascript, I didn't proceed to question why because they were VMware fan boys and I simply could never replicate it. One thing I really really found very annoying with the current UI was, the amount of space the bottom frame took up. I often find myself using oVirt while on my laptop. When scrolling through VMs, I can only see 5 lines max. Overall, definitely looks better!! Can't wait to show it off to those VMware fan boys :) On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> wrote:
On 10/15/2013 08:50 AM, Ernest Beinrohr wrote:
Dňa 14.10.2013 19:06, Malini Rao wrote / napísal(a):
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look -http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_**LAF<http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF> .
Your feedback and input is invited.
Please add the possibility to customize the VM columns. Like adding collumns for RAM, storage domain, disks summ etc. And sorting !
as malini mentioned, this focuses on the look and feel. please open a BZ to track the RFEs of (a) choosing columns, and (b) sorting.
thanks, Itamar
-- Ernest Beinrohr, AXON PRO DevOps, Ing <http://www.beinrohr.sk/ing.**php<http://www.beinrohr.sk/ing.php>>, RHCE <http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.**php <http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php>>, RHCVA <http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.**php <http://www.beinrohr.sk/rhce.php>>, LPIC <http://www.beinrohr.sk/lpic.**php <http://www.beinrohr.sk/lpic.php>>, +421-2--6241-0360 <callto://+421-2--6241-0360>, +421-903--482-603 <callto:// +421-903--482-603> icq:28153343, skype:oernii-work <callto://oernii-work>, jabber:oernii@jabber.org ------------------------------**------------------------------** ------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini
Hi Malini,
From the L&F perspective it looks much better. What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using. This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where L&F may have a big impact.
Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample? Thanks, Doron
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini
Hi Malini, From the L&F perspective it looks much better. What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using. This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where L&F may have a big impact.
Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?
+1 for this As a side note, I have noticed that going from oVirt 3.2.3 to 3.3.0 the horizontal needs are greater. For example refresh icon/button at the top right of the main admin portal is shown as a half row if window size is too small horizontally. And "Users" tab and "Events" are then shown on next line down. Also at 1176x885 is not good enugh. It works instead ok at 1280x1024 and 1366x768 both full screen; see link: In my opinion it should desirable to give chance to have a correct behavior at least at 1024x768. Using xwininfo it seems that the first size I get correct and complete horizontal layout is 1268 at the moment, using xwininfo on oVirt 3.3.0. Complete xwininfo output: [g.cecchi@ope46 ~]$ xwininfo xwininfo: Please select the window about which you would like information by clicking the mouse in that window. xwininfo: Window id: 0x260007f "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox" Absolute upper-left X: 1 Absolute upper-left Y: 70 Relative upper-left X: 10 Relative upper-left Y: 40 Width: 1268 Height: 819 Depth: 24 Visual: 0x21 Visual Class: TrueColor Border width: 0 Class: InputOutput Colormap: 0x20 (installed) Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Backing Store State: NotUseful Save Under State: no Map State: IsViewable Override Redirect State: no Corners: +1+70 -97+70 -97-903 +1-903 -geometry 1268x819+-9+30 xprop gives instead: [g.cecchi@ope46 ~]$ xprop WM_STATE(WM_STATE): window state: Normal icon window: 0x0 _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS(CARDINAL) = 1, 1, 32, 1 _NET_WM_DESKTOP(CARDINAL) = 0 _NET_WM_ALLOWED_ACTIONS(ATOM) = _NET_WM_ACTION_MOVE, _NET_WM_ACTION_RESIZE, _NET_WM_ACTION_FULLSCREEN, _NET_WM_ACTION_MINIMIZE, _NET_WM_ACTION_SHADE, _NET_WM_ACTION_MAXIMIZE_HORZ, _NET_WM_ACTION_MAXIMIZE_VERT, _NET_WM_ACTION_CHANGE_DESKTOP, _NET_WM_ACTION_CLOSE, _NET_WM_ACTION_ABOVE, _NET_WM_ACTION_BELOW _NET_WM_VISIBLE_ICON_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox (on f18engine.mydomain)" _NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox (on f18engine.mydomain)" _NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS): Client accepts input or input focus: True Initial state is Normal State. bitmap id # to use for icon: 0x2600082 bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0x2600083 window id # of group leader: 0x2600001 WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "browser" XdndAware(ATOM) = BITMAP _MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 _NET_WM_ICON(CARDINAL) = Icon (22 x 22): [icons] _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST_COUNTER(CARDINAL) = 39846017 _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL _NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0x2600080 WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0x2600001 _NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 16689 WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "en_US.utf8" WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "f18engine.mydomain" WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS): program specified minimum size: 1 by 98 program specified maximum size: 32767 by 32767 window gravity: NorthWest WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING, _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST WM_CLASS(STRING) = "Navigator", "Firefox" WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox" _NET_WM_ICON_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox" WM_NAME(STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox" _NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox" Gianluca
Thank you for your feedback. We are tracking low resolution issues via the following BZs: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=818051 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=832258 I agree that the new design should accommodate low resolutions. I actually hope that we will be able to accommodate low resolutions even with the current look&feel, and then possibly apply the same solution to the new look&feel. Please note that the new look&feel doesn't really introduce a new layout structure (which we'd might want to do as well at some point) - it is mainly about graphical improvements to the current layout structure. ---- Thanks, Einav ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gianluca Cecchi" <gianluca.cecchi@gmail.com> To: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:40:38 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Doron Fediuck wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> To: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 8:06:49 PM Subject: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini
Hi Malini, From the L&F perspective it looks much better. What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using. This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where L&F may have a big impact.
Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?
+1 for this
As a side note, I have noticed that going from oVirt 3.2.3 to 3.3.0 the horizontal needs are greater. For example refresh icon/button at the top right of the main admin portal is shown as a half row if window size is too small horizontally. And "Users" tab and "Events" are then shown on next line down. Also at 1176x885 is not good enugh. It works instead ok at 1280x1024 and 1366x768 both full screen; see link: In my opinion it should desirable to give chance to have a correct behavior at least at 1024x768. Using xwininfo it seems that the first size I get correct and complete horizontal layout is 1268 at the moment, using xwininfo on oVirt 3.3.0. Complete xwininfo output:
[g.cecchi@ope46 ~]$ xwininfo
xwininfo: Please select the window about which you would like information by clicking the mouse in that window.
xwininfo: Window id: 0x260007f "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox"
Absolute upper-left X: 1 Absolute upper-left Y: 70 Relative upper-left X: 10 Relative upper-left Y: 40 Width: 1268 Height: 819 Depth: 24 Visual: 0x21 Visual Class: TrueColor Border width: 0 Class: InputOutput Colormap: 0x20 (installed) Bit Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity Backing Store State: NotUseful Save Under State: no Map State: IsViewable Override Redirect State: no Corners: +1+70 -97+70 -97-903 +1-903 -geometry 1268x819+-9+30
xprop gives instead: [g.cecchi@ope46 ~]$ xprop WM_STATE(WM_STATE): window state: Normal icon window: 0x0 _NET_FRAME_EXTENTS(CARDINAL) = 1, 1, 32, 1 _NET_WM_DESKTOP(CARDINAL) = 0 _NET_WM_ALLOWED_ACTIONS(ATOM) = _NET_WM_ACTION_MOVE, _NET_WM_ACTION_RESIZE, _NET_WM_ACTION_FULLSCREEN, _NET_WM_ACTION_MINIMIZE, _NET_WM_ACTION_SHADE, _NET_WM_ACTION_MAXIMIZE_HORZ, _NET_WM_ACTION_MAXIMIZE_VERT, _NET_WM_ACTION_CHANGE_DESKTOP, _NET_WM_ACTION_CLOSE, _NET_WM_ACTION_ABOVE, _NET_WM_ACTION_BELOW _NET_WM_VISIBLE_ICON_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox (on f18engine.mydomain)" _NET_WM_VISIBLE_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox (on f18engine.mydomain)" _NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS): Client accepts input or input focus: True Initial state is Normal State. bitmap id # to use for icon: 0x2600082 bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0x2600083 window id # of group leader: 0x2600001 WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "browser" XdndAware(ATOM) = BITMAP _MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 _NET_WM_ICON(CARDINAL) = Icon (22 x 22):
[icons]
_NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST_COUNTER(CARDINAL) = 39846017 _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL _NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id # 0x2600080 WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0x2600001 _NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 16689 WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "en_US.utf8" WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "f18engine.mydomain" WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS): program specified minimum size: 1 by 98 program specified maximum size: 32767 by 32767 window gravity: NorthWest WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING, _NET_WM_SYNC_REQUEST WM_CLASS(STRING) = "Navigator", "Firefox" WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox" _NET_WM_ICON_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox" WM_NAME(STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox" _NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "oVirt Engine Web Administration - Mozilla Firefox"
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Hi Malini,
From the L&F perspective it looks much better. What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using. This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where L&F may have a big impact.
Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?
Responsive web design[1] could be the answer and a nice feature. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design -- Federico
Thanks everyone for an enthusiastic response of the Look and feel proposal to update Ovirt. I am glad that overall the reaction is positive. Here is a summary of what I heard from you all as suggestions for improvement - Feedback on L&F for Ovirt - Push back on simplistic icons for communicative value and subjective preference + familiarity with existing - Too much space for resource graphs ( percentage columns on console screen) - Colors ---Evaluate the choice of greens in the load bars ( too big and too bright and attention getting for something that is supplementary info), the unselected icons and the green line in masthead. --- The shades of blue and green don't seem to go very well together - Evaluate for cohesion/ harmony and readability. - How will the User portal look in the new style? - On Console, the tabs recede and the toolbar dominates - Same x is used for remove and cancel migrate - confusing - The tabs/ sub tabs now don't look like tabs - It now looks just like text.. Should be recognizable as tabs or Nav items. - Make sure 1064x768 resolution is not worse than it is today in new design - Primary info in the grid should stand out and not drown in all the noise. New ideas/ features ( Not in scope for now) Sparklines to give us some sense of recent history for each row Column customization/ column sorting Reducing bottom pane with details Better treatment of Events Low resolution layouts/ usability issues Responsive design Please let me know if I misunderstood anything or if I missed anything significant. I will work with the visual designers and incorporate some of these suggestions and present another iteration. Thanks Malini ----- Original Message ----- From: "Federico Alberto Sayd" <fsayd@uncu.edu.ar> To: users@ovirt.org Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi Malini,
From the L&F perspective it looks much better. What I'd like you to review is the resolution you are using. This seems to be taken in a full-hd screen, where I think we should be able to support somewhat lower resolution, where L&F may have a big impact.
Would you consider posting also a lower resolution sample?
Responsive web design[1] could be the answer and a nice feature. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design -- Federico _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
--=-lixiCdj56TYs8xfUCbG5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Malini, I hope my feedback is not too late. There is a big thumb up on the design, = while the current design certainly is not bad, this is way better! I'd like to hear though if some of current deficiencies are addressed: 1) how does design cope with increased tab/button width (by ui plugins) or = reduced viewport width? Current way is overflow with hidden elements or art= ifacts - not cool 2) at what minimum font size will the design break? David Malini Rao p=C3=AD=C5=A1e v Po 14. 10. 2013 v 13:06 -0400:
Hi all,=20 =20 Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fres= h and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. =20 Thanks Malini=20 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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Hey David, Your questions are valid and reasonable and we should have good answers for these. However, what I shared with you guys for now is a pure skinning update to give a airier and more modern look. The skinning has been updated to match exactly with what exists today... so the labels are not going to be wider, rows are not taller etc. Therefore any problems that exist today will exist in the new design as well. The minimalist skinning and design strategy will generally improve the visual clutter issues to a certain extent. But this is not to say this is the sum total of the purpose of this exercise. This skinning update proposal is a starting point to then begin thinking of examining other aspects that have a deeper usability/ user experience impact including responsive design etc. We should also look across the application and check for consistency in interaction patterns - so things just don't look consistent but behave consistently as well. So, if we want to start generating a laundry list of UI overhaul items, that will be great. But again, the scope of this initial exercise is very limited. This skinning exercise too will likely roll out in phases and we may start with the bigger and more static elements first and then move into the details. I know I didn't answer your specific questions but only because they are not impacted by this design any more than the current design. Hope this makes sense. Thanks Malini ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jaša" <djasa@redhat.com> To: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:46:24 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt Hi Malini, I hope my feedback is not too late. There is a big thumb up on the design, while the current design certainly is not bad, this is way better! I'd like to hear though if some of current deficiencies are addressed: 1) how does design cope with increased tab/button width (by ui plugins) or reduced viewport width? Current way is overflow with hidden elements or artifacts - not cool 2) at what minimum font size will the design break? David Malini Rao píše v Po 14. 10. 2013 v 13:06 -0400:
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
-- David Jaša, RHCE SPICE QE based in Brno GPG Key: 22C33E24 Fingerprint: 513A 060B D1B4 2A72 7F0D 0278 B125 CD00 22C3 3E24
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Hey David,=20 =20 Your questions are valid and reasonable and we should have good answers for these. However, what I shared with you guys for now is a pure skinning update to give a airier and more modern look. The skinning has been updated to match exactly with what exists today... so the labels are not going to be wider, rows are not taller etc. Therefore any problems that exist today will exist in the new design as well.=20
OK, I'm fine with that. I have also already commented on this in my first reply.
The minimalist skinning and design strategy will generally improve the visual clutter issues to a certain extent. But this is not to say this is the sum total of the purpose of this exercise. This skinning update proposal is a starting point to then begin thinking of examining other aspects that have a deeper usability/ user experience impact including responsive design etc.=20
My wish wrt width is something much more humble than responsive design. I just wish that the design doesn't break (items don't hide or reorder) when something goes wrong. Current design preserves look at the expense of functionality in such cases which is IMO wrong. The ideal is responsive design - to maintain functionality while adjusting look to the device - but when that ideal is not feasible (which is not currently without the overhaul you mention below), it's better to maintain functionality... Maybe the attached screenshot tells more than my text above.
We should also look across the application and check for consistency in interaction patterns - so things just don't look consistent but behave consistently as well.=20 =20 So, if we want to start generating a laundry list of UI overhaul items, that will be great.=20
Please do remember these once you start planning such bigger rework.
But again, the scope of this initial exercise is very limited. This skinning exercise too will likely roll out in phases and we may start with the bigger and more static elements first and then move into the details. =20 I know I didn't answer your specific questions but only because they are not impacted by this design any more than the current design. Hope this makes sense.
Sure and thanks for reply. Cheers, David
=20 Thanks Malini =20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ja=C5=A1a" <djasa@redhat.com> To: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:46:24 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt =20 Hi Malini, =20 I hope my feedback is not too late. There is a big thumb up on the design= , while the current design certainly is not bad, this is way better! =20 =20 I'd like to hear though if some of current deficiencies are addressed: =20 1) how does design cope with increased tab/button width (by ui plugins) o= r reduced viewport width? Current way is overflow with hidden elements or a= rtifacts - not cool =20 2) at what minimum font size will the design break? =20 =20 David =20 =20 =20 Malini Rao p=C3=AD=C5=A1e v Po 14. 10. 2013 v 13:06 -0400:
Hi all,=20 =20 Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fr= esh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited. =20 Thanks Malini=20 _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users =20
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From: "David Jaša" <djasa@redhat.com> To: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:05:44 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi Malini,
Malini Rao píše v St 06. 11. 2013 v 16:53 -0500:
Hey David,
Your questions are valid and reasonable and we should have good answers for these. However, what I shared with you guys for now is a pure skinning update to give a airier and more modern look. The skinning has been updated to match exactly with what exists today... so the labels are not going to be wider, rows are not taller etc. Therefore any problems that exist today will exist in the new design as well.
OK, I'm fine with that. I have also already commented on this in my first reply.
The minimalist skinning and design strategy will generally improve the visual clutter issues to a certain extent. But this is not to say this is the sum total of the purpose of this exercise. This skinning update proposal is a starting point to then begin thinking of examining other aspects that have a deeper usability/ user experience impact including responsive design etc.
My wish wrt width is something much more humble than responsive design. I just wish that the design doesn't break (items don't hide or reorder) when something goes wrong. Current design preserves look at the expense of functionality in such cases which is IMO wrong. The ideal is responsive design - to maintain functionality while adjusting look to the device - but when that ideal is not feasible (which is not currently without the overhaul you mention below), it's better to maintain functionality... Maybe the attached screenshot tells more than my text above.
David, we are working on the design for a temp fix for this as we speak so that access to functionality is not lost. Basically, it is a overflow mechanism to get to the tabs and toolbar icons that are currently inaccessible when the situation such as the one in your screenshot occurs. I think short of responsive design and/or reconsideration of the information architecture for Ovirt, this is the best short term way of dealing with this.
We should also look across the application and check for consistency in interaction patterns - so things just don't look consistent but behave consistently as well.
So, if we want to start generating a laundry list of UI overhaul items, that will be great.
Please do remember these once you start planning such bigger rework.
But again, the scope of this initial exercise is very limited. This skinning exercise too will likely roll out in phases and we may start with the bigger and more static elements first and then move into the details.
I know I didn't answer your specific questions but only because they are not impacted by this design any more than the current design. Hope this makes sense.
Sure and thanks for reply. Cheers,
David
Thanks Malini
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Jaša" <djasa@redhat.com> To: "Malini Rao" <mrao@redhat.com> Cc: "users" <users@ovirt.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:46:24 AM Subject: Re: [Users] Proposal for a fresh look and feel for Ovirt
Hi Malini,
I hope my feedback is not too late. There is a big thumb up on the design, while the current design certainly is not bad, this is way better!
I'd like to hear though if some of current deficiencies are addressed:
1) how does design cope with increased tab/button width (by ui plugins) or reduced viewport width? Current way is overflow with hidden elements or artifacts - not cool
2) at what minimum font size will the design break?
David
Malini Rao píše v Po 14. 10. 2013 v 13:06 -0400:
Hi all,
Here is a proposal for updating the ovirt look and feel to give it a fresh and modern look - http://www.ovirt.org/Ovirt_LAF. Your feedback and input is invited.
Thanks Malini _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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