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Several topics come to mind: - cleaner work-flow in creating and associating storage, especially NFS - better error reporting from engine back to admin user during admin operations. - the ability to have users access consoles of virtual machines whereever they may be. I think it should be expected that limited access data centers will be everywhere, from complete NAT'd environments to some with external firewalls that limit some ports. This should be part of engine and hypervisor installation, and transparent to the end user.
On 01/07/2013 06:11 PM, Rick Beldin wrote:
- cleaner work-flow in creating and associating storage, especially NFS
- better error reporting from engine back to admin user during admin operations.
Hi Rick, can you please give a few examples/ideas on these two? thanks, Itamar
On Tue 08 Jan 2013 04:41:01 AM EST, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 01/07/2013 06:11 PM, Rick Beldin wrote:
- cleaner work-flow in creating and associating storage, especially NFS
Some of this is no doubt my newbie-ness to ovirt. Most of my comments below have to do with the manager. I started playing with RHEV 3.1 since I am responsible for delivering support on it but just yesterday started playing with Fedora 17 and all-in-one for ease of setup. I will try and document the specifics, but the things I recall were things like: - inability to setup NFS storage on the cluster until I had added a host. I think I missed some key concept here, but my feeling was that I would/could/should setup the manager (engine) first and then add virtual hosts. Instead, there seems to be a procedural step. - along those lines the UI could do more to guide a user, a first-time wizard that would guide you through cluster and datacenter setups that are independent of the hosts. Guide Me is a good start, but perhaps it needs some expansion.
- better error reporting from engine back to admin user during admin operations.
- here's an example. Just installed AIO on Fedora 17. After going through everything, it says 'Install Failed'. The Event entry has a correlation id, which can be used to figure out what went wrong. (I guess). It seems like there could be more information provided to the admin on what to do next aside install again? Tooltip on what to do with correlation id? Oddly, I can't right click on Event text to bring up copy/paste menu with Chrome or FF. Ctrl-c worked with Chrome but not FF: Host local_host installation failed. The required action is taking longer than allowed by configuration. Verify host networking and storage settings.. That gives you a clue, but then what? A handy pointer to the log file would be good. - Eons ago, in another product space, a complex product with hooks into networking and whatnot had a tiny diagnostic script that would attempt to emulate the requirements of the product. Perhaps that is needed here - something outside of the framework that could be a checklist of ports not open, permissions, etc. Things that an admin needs to address outside of engine. - A menu item that would call the sosreport-like thing to collect data would aid in supportability. - A meta-page with pointers/contents to all logs, databases and so forth would be helpful. There is a lot of content scattered over the disk. - A meta-page with a listing of critical processes. Some of these things are doubtless outside the scope of abstraction that is currently there, but the manager is the connection between the admin and the hosts. As a critical resource the admin will likely not only be the one administering to guests, but to the engine as well. Making that person's life easier will aid in acceptance and reduce long-term support costs. My 2cents... Rick
-----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@ovirt.org [mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Rick Beldin Sent: Dienstag, 8. Januar 2013 15:54 To: Itamar Heim Cc: users@ovirt.org Subject: Re: [Users] What do you want to see in oVirt next?
On Tue 08 Jan 2013 04:41:01 AM EST, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 01/07/2013 06:11 PM, Rick Beldin wrote:
- cleaner work-flow in creating and associating storage, especially NFS
Some of this is no doubt my newbie-ness to ovirt. Most of my comments below have to do with the manager.
I started playing with RHEV 3.1 since I am responsible for delivering support on it but just yesterday started playing with Fedora 17 and all-in-one for ease of setup. I will try and document the specifics, but the things I recall were things like:
- inability to setup NFS storage on the cluster until I had added a host. I think I missed some key concept here, but my feeling was that I would/could/should setup the manager (engine) first and then add virtual hosts. Instead, there seems to be a procedural step.
- along those lines the UI could do more to guide a user, a first-time wizard that would guide you through cluster and datacenter setups that are independent of the hosts. Guide Me is a good start, but perhaps it needs some expansion.
- better error reporting from engine back to admin user during admin operations.
- here's an example. Just installed AIO on Fedora 17. After going through everything, it says 'Install Failed'. The Event entry has a correlation id, which can be used to figure out what went wrong. (I guess). It seems like there could be more information provided to the admin on what to do next aside install again? Tooltip on what to do with correlation id?
Whenever you report a problem here in the list, you get asked for engine and vdsm logs. So, these logs are essential and a way to access (at least the relevant parts) via the GUI would be perfect. Ideally, every task should have a unique ID and this ID should show up in the engine logs as well as the vdsm logs on the nodes in a way that they could easily filtered. My dream would be a message like "Install failed" as a clickable link which then opens a log viewer and shows the engine log filtered by this ID as well as the vdsm log from the involved node filtered by this ID.
Oddly, I can't right click on Event text to bring up copy/paste menu with Chrome or FF. Ctrl-c worked with Chrome but not FF:
Host local_host installation failed. The required action is taking longer than allowed by configuration. Verify host networking and storage settings..
That gives you a clue, but then what? A handy pointer to the log file would be good.
- Eons ago, in another product space, a complex product with hooks into networking and whatnot had a tiny diagnostic script that would attempt to emulate the requirements of the product. Perhaps that is needed here - something outside of the framework that could be a checklist of ports not open, permissions, etc. Things that an admin needs to address outside of engine.
- A menu item that would call the sosreport-like thing to collect data would aid in supportability.
- A meta-page with pointers/contents to all logs, databases and so forth would be helpful. There is a lot of content scattered over the disk.
- A meta-page with a listing of critical processes.
Some of these things are doubtless outside the scope of abstraction that is currently there, but the manager is the connection between the admin and the hosts. As a critical resource the admin will likely not only be the one administering to guests, but to the engine as well. Making that person's life easier will aid in acceptance and reduce long-term support costs.
My 2cents...
Rick
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Kind regards Jörn
On 09.01.2013 15:48, Joern Ott wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@ovirt.org [mailto:users-bounces@ovirt.org] On Behalf Of Rick Beldin Sent: Dienstag, 8. Januar 2013 15:54 To: Itamar Heim Cc: users@ovirt.org Subject: Re: [Users] What do you want to see in oVirt next?
On Tue 08 Jan 2013 04:41:01 AM EST, Itamar Heim wrote:
On 01/07/2013 06:11 PM, Rick Beldin wrote:
- cleaner work-flow in creating and associating storage, especially NFS
Some of this is no doubt my newbie-ness to ovirt. Most of my comments below have to do with the manager.
I started playing with RHEV 3.1 since I am responsible for delivering support on it but just yesterday started playing with Fedora 17 and all-in-one for ease of setup. I will try and document the specifics, but the things I recall were things like:
- inability to setup NFS storage on the cluster until I had added a host. I think I missed some key concept here, but my feeling was that I would/could/should setup the manager (engine) first and then add virtual hosts. Instead, there seems to be a procedural step.
- along those lines the UI could do more to guide a user, a first-time wizard that would guide you through cluster and datacenter setups that are independent of the hosts. Guide Me is a good start, but perhaps it needs some expansion.
- better error reporting from engine back to admin user during admin operations.
- here's an example. Just installed AIO on Fedora 17. After going through everything, it says 'Install Failed'. The Event entry has a correlation id, which can be used to figure out what went wrong. (I guess). It seems like there could be more information provided to the admin on what to do next aside install again? Tooltip on what to do with correlation id?
Whenever you report a problem here in the list, you get asked for engine and vdsm logs. So, these logs are essential and a way to access (at least the relevant parts) via the GUI would be perfect. Ideally, every task should have a unique ID and this ID should show up in the engine logs as well as the vdsm logs on the nodes in a way that they could easily filtered.
My dream would be a message like "Install failed" as a clickable link which then opens a log viewer and shows the engine log filtered by this ID as well as the vdsm log from the involved node filtered by this ID.
Kind regards Jörn
Very good idea, I like it very much! Regards Patrick -- Lobster LOGsuite GmbH, Münchner Straße 15a, D-82319 Starnberg HRB 178831, Amtsgericht München Geschäftsführer: Dr. Martin Fischer, Rolf Henrich
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