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Hello=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0Ai just changed xfs to ext4 and defragmantion=
is much better then before, i will also try kernel lts from elrepo and t=
est it again.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AThanks=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AWolfga=
ng=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----=0D=0AVon=
: Yaniv Kaul=C2=A0<ykaul(a)redhat.com>=0D=0AGesendet: Die 23 August 2016 19=
:46=0D=0AAn: Wolfgang Bucher <wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de>=0D=0ACC: Cha=
rles Gruener <cgruener(a)gruener.us>=0D=0ABetreff: Re: AW: [ovirt-users] Pr=
oblem starting VMs=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AOn Aug 23, 2016 7:33 PM, "Wolfgang Bu=
cher" <wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de <mailto:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.d=
e> > wrote:=0D=0A >=0D=0A > Hello=0D=0A >=0D=0A >=0D=0A > I am using
loca=
l storage with adaptec raid controller, disk format is raw=0D=0A=0D=0ARaw=
is always raw-sparse, so that may explain this somehow, yet still odd th=
at Windows installation would cause so much fragmentation.=0D=0A I wonder=
if using the discard hook (and IDE or virtio-scsi) would help - or perha=
ps using a qcow2 makes more sense (create a snapshot right after disk cre=
ation for example).=0D=0A=0D=0A>=0D=0A >=0D=0A > image: e4d797d1-5719-48d=
0-891e-a36cd4a79c33=0D=0A > file format: raw=0D=0A > virtual size: 50G (5=
3687091200 bytes)=0D=0A > disk size: 8.5G=0D=0A >=0D=0A >=0D=0A > this is=
a fresh installation of W2012 after installation i got with xfs_db -c fr=
ag -r=C2=A0 /dev/sdb1:=0D=0A >=0D=0A > aktuell 407974, ideal 35, Untertei=
lungsfaktor 99,99%=0D=0A=0D=0AAnd the XFS formatted with default paramete=
rs=3F=0D=0A Y.=0D=0A=0D=0A>=0D=0A >=0D=0A > Thanks=0D=0A >=0D=0A >=0D=0A =
Wolfgang=0D=0A >=0D=0A >=0D=0A >> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche
Nachricht----=
-=0D=0A >> Von: Yaniv Kaul=C2=A0<ykaul(a)redhat.com
<mailto:ykaul@redhat.co=
m> >=0D=0A >> Gesendet: Die 23 August 2016 17:56=0D=0A >> An: Wolfgang
Bu=
cher <wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de <mailto:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de=
>=0D=0A >> CC: Michal Skrivanek
<michal.skrivanek(a)redhat.com <mailto:mi=
chal.skrivanek(a)redhat.com> >;
users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> (u=
sers(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> ) <users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@=
ovirt.org> >=0D=0A >>=0D=0A >> Betreff: Re: [ovirt-users] Problem
startin=
g VMs=0D=0A >>=0D=0A >>=0D=0A >>=0D=0A >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at
6:40 PM=
, Wolfgang Bucher <wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de <mailto:wolfgang.bucher@=
netland-mn.de> > wrote:=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A >>> Hello=0D=0A
>>>=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A=
>> in var log messages i get following :=0D=0A
>>>=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A >>> =
kernel: XFS: possible memory
allocation deadlock in kmem_alloc (mode:0x25=
0)=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A >>> I have this problem on 4
different hosts=
=2E=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A >>> This happens during copying
files from =
network to a thin provisioned disk, no problems with preallocated disks.=0D=
=0A >>=0D=0A >>=0D=0A >> What kind of storage are you using=3F local
stor=
age=3F Even though, it makes little sense to me - the disk is a qcow2 dis=
k, which shouldn't be very fragmented as you might think (qcow2 grows in =
64K chunks).=0D=0A >> It may grow and grow and grow (until you sparsify i=
t), but that's not going to cause fragmentation. What causes it to be fra=
gmented=3F Perhaps the internal qcow2 mapping is quite fragmented=3F=0D=0A=
> Y.=0D=0A >> =C2=A0=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A
>>>=0D=0A >>> Thanks=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A=
>> Wolfgang=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A >>>=0D=0A >>>>
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nach=
richt-----=0D=0A >>>> Von: Michal
Skrivanek=C2=A0<michal.skrivanek@redhat=
=2Ecom <mailto:michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> >=0D=0A >>>> Gesendet:
Die 23=
August 2016 17:11=0D=0A >>>> An: Wolfgang Bucher <wolfgang.bucher@netlan=
d-mn.de <mailto:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de> >=0D=0A >>>> CC: Milan
Zam=
azal <mzamazal(a)redhat.com <mailto:mzamazal@redhat.com> >; users(a)ovirt.org=
<mailto:users@ovirt.org> (users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> ) <us=
ers(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> >=0D=0A >>>> Betreff: Re:
[ovirt-u=
sers] Problem starting VMs=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A
>>>>> On 23 Aug 20=
16, at 11:06, Wolfgang Bucher <wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de <mailto:wolf=
gang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de> > wrote:=0D=0A >>>>>=0D=0A
>>>>> Thank's=0D=0A=
>>>>=0D=0A >>>>> but what do you mean with
"initialization is finished=E2=
=80=9D=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A
>>>>=0D=0A >>>> until it gets from WaitForLaunch =
to PoweringUp state, effectively until the qemu process properly starts u=
p=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A >>>>>=0D=0A >>>>> sometimes
the vm crashes while copyi=
ng files!=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A >>>> when
exactly=3F Can you descri=
be exactly what you are doing and what is reported as a reason for crash.=
When exactly does it crash and how=3F=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A >>>>
Thanks,=0D=0A=
>>> michal=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A
>>>>>=0D=0A >>>>>=0D=0A >>>>>=0D=0A
>>>>> W=
olfgang=0D=0A >>>>>=0D=0A
>>>>>=0D=0A >>>>>> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nach=
richt-----=0D=0A >>>>>> Von: Milan Zamazal=C2=A0<mzamazal(a)redhat.com
<mai=
lto:mzamazal@redhat.com> >=0D=0A >>>>>> Gesendet: Die 23 August
2016 16:5=
9=0D=0A >>>>>> An: Wolfgang Bucher <wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de
<mailto=
:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de> >=0D=0A >>>>>> CC: users(a)ovirt.org
<mailt=
o:users@ovirt.org> (users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> ) <users@ovi=
rt.org <mailto:users@ovirt.org> >=0D=0A >>>>>> Betreff: Re: AW:
Problem s=
tarting VMs=0D=0A >>>>>>=0D=0A >>>>>> Wolfgang Bucher
<wolfgang.bucher@ne=
tland-mn.de <mailto:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de> > writes:=0D=0A
>>>>>>=
=0D=0A >>>>>> > the problem is "waiting for launch" takes
up to 20 min.=0D=
=0A >>>>>> >=0D=0A >>>>>> >=0D=0A
>>>>>> > I did a lot of tests with some=
vm's and th problem is:=0D=0A >>>>>> >=0D=0A
>>>>>> >=0D=0A >>>>>> > 1.=C2=
=A0 create a win2012 server=0D=0A >>>>>> >=0D=0A
>>>>>> > 2. attache a ne=
w disk (thin provision)=0D=0A >>>>>> >=0D=0A >>>>>>
> 3. fill the disk fr=
om network share with about 100G=0D=0A >>>>>> >=0D=0A
>>>>>> > 4. shutdow=
n the vm=0D=0A >>>>>> >=0D=0A >>>>>> > 5. reboot
host and try starting th=
e vm (takes a lot of time until launch)=0D=0A >>>>>> >=0D=0A
>>>>>> >=0D=0A=
>>>>> >=0D=0A >>>>>> > It's
because of a high fragmented filessystem=20=
=0D=0A >>>>>>=0D=0A
>>>>>> I see, thank you for the explanation. In such =
a case, it may take a lot=0D=0A >>>>>> of time before all the
initializat=
ion is finished.=0D=0A >>>>>>=0D=0A >>>>>>
Regards,=0D=0A >>>>>> Milan=0D=
=0A >>>>>=0D=0A >>>>>
_______________________________________________=0D=0A=
>>>> Users mailing list=0D=0A >>>>>
Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt=
=2Eorg>=20=0D=0A >>>>>
http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users <htt=
p://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users>=20=0D=0A >>>>=0D=0A
>>>>=0D=0A=
>>=0D=0A >>>
_______________________________________________=0D=0A >>> =
Users mailing
list=0D=0A >>> Users(a)ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>=20=0D=
=0A >>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users <http://lists.ovirt=
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: 10pt;">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br
/><span><strong>Von:</=
strong> Yaniv Kaul&nbsp;&lt;ykaul(a)redhat.com&gt;</span><br
/><span><stron=
g>Gesendet:</strong> Die 23 August 2016 19:46</span><br
/><span><strong>A=
n:</strong> Wolfgang Bucher
&lt;wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de&gt;</span><=
br /><span><strong>CC:</strong> Charles Gruener
&lt;cgruener(a)gruener.us&g=
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<p></p>=0A<p>On Aug 23, 2016 7:33 PM, "Wolfgang Bucher"
<<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der
extern=
e Link wird in einem neuen Fenster geöffnet">wolfgang.bucher@netland=
-mn.de</a>> wrote:<br /> ><br /> > Hello<br
/> ><br /> ><b=
r /> > I am using local storage with adaptec raid controller, disk for=
mat is raw</p>=0A<p>Raw is always raw-sparse, so that may explain this so=
mehow, yet still odd that Windows installation would cause so much fragme=
ntation.<br /> I wonder if using the discard hook (and IDE or virtio-scsi=
) would help - or perhaps using a qcow2 makes more sense (create a snapsh=
ot right after disk creation for example).</p>=0A<p>><br />
><br />=
> image: e4d797d1-5719-48d0-891e-a36cd4a79c33<br /> > file format:=
raw<br /> > virtual size: 50G (53687091200 bytes)<br /> > disk
siz=
e: 8.5G<br /> ><br /> ><br /> > this is a fresh
installation of =
W2012 after installation i got with xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/sdb1:<br=
/> ><br /> > aktuell 407974, ideal 35, Unterteilungsfaktor
99,99%<=
/p>=0A<p>And the XFS formatted with default parameters=3F<br />
Y.</p>=0A=
<p>><br /> ><br /> > Thanks<br />
><br /> ><br /> > Wol=
fgang<br /> ><br /> ><br /> >>
-----Ursprüngliche Nachri=
cht-----<br /> >> Von: Yaniv Kaul <<a
href=3D"mailto:ykaul@=
redhat.com" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der externe Link wird in einem
neu=
en Fenster ge&ouml;ffnet">ykaul(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;<br />
>> Gesende=
t: Die 23 August 2016 17:56<br /> >> An: Wolfgang Bucher <<a
hre=
f=3D"mailto:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"Der=
externe Link wird in einem neuen Fenster geöffnet">wolfgang.bucher@=
netland-mn.de</a>><br /> >> CC: Michal Skrivanek
<<a href=3D"=
mailto:michal.skrivanek@redhat.com" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der
extern=
e Link wird in einem neuen Fenster geöffnet">michal.skrivanek@redhat=
=2Ecom</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org"
target=3D"_blank" titl=
e=3D"Der externe Link wird in einem neuen Fenster
geöffnet">users@ov=
irt.org</a> (<a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org"
target=3D"_blank" title=3D=
"Der externe Link wird in einem neuen Fenster
ge&ouml;ffnet">users(a)ovirt.=
org</a>) <<a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org"
target=3D"_blank" title=3D=
"Der externe Link wird in einem neuen Fenster
ge&ouml;ffnet">users(a)ovirt.=
org</a>><br /> >><br /> >> Betreff:
Re: [ovirt-users] Prob=
lem starting VMs<br /> >><br /> >><br />
>><br /> >&=
gt; On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Wolfgang Bucher <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der
externe L=
ink wird in einem neuen Fenster geöffnet">wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn=
=2Ede</a>> wrote:<br /> >>><br />
>>> Hello<br /> &g=
t;>><br /> >>><br />
>>> in var log messages i ge=
t following :<br /> >>><br />
>>><br /> >>> ke=
rnel: XFS: possible memory allocation deadlock in kmem_alloc (mode:0x250)=
<br /> >>><br /> >>><br />
>>> I have this pro=
blem on 4 different hosts.<br /> >>><br />
>>><br /> &g=
t;>> This happens during copying files from network to a thin provi=
sioned disk, no problems with preallocated disks.<br /> >><br />
&g=
t;><br /> >> What kind of storage are you using=3F local
storage=
=3F Even though, it makes little sense to me - the disk is a qcow2 disk, =
which shouldn't be very fragmented as you might think (qcow2 grows in 64K=
chunks).<br /> >> It may grow and grow and grow (until you sparsif=
y it), but that's not going to cause fragmentation. What causes it to be =
fragmented=3F Perhaps the internal qcow2 mapping is quite fragmented=3F<b=
r /> >> Y.<br /> >> <br />
>>><br /> >>&=
gt;<br /> >>> Thanks<br /> >>><br
/> >>> Wolfg=
ang<br /> >>><br /> >>><br />
>>>> -----Urs=
prüngliche Nachricht-----<br /> >>>> Von:
Michal Skrivan=
ek <<a href=3D"mailto:michal.skrivanek@redhat.com"
target=3D"_bla=
nk" title=3D"Der externe Link wird in einem neuen Fenster
geöffnet">=
michal.skrivanek(a)redhat.com</a>&gt;<br /> >>>>
Gesendet: Die =
23 August 2016 17:11<br /> >>>> An: Wolfgang Bucher
<<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"De=
r externe Link wird in einem neuen Fenster geöffnet">wolfgang.bucher=
@netland-mn.de</a>><br /> >>>> CC: Milan
Zamazal <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:mzamazal@redhat.com" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der
externe =
Link wird in einem neuen Fenster
ge&ouml;ffnet">mzamazal(a)redhat.com</a>&g=
t;; <a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"Der ext=
erne Link wird in einem neuen Fenster ge&ouml;ffnet">users(a)ovirt.org</a>
=
(<a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"Der extern=
e Link wird in einem neuen Fenster ge&ouml;ffnet">users(a)ovirt.org</a>)
&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"Der exter=
ne Link wird in einem neuen Fenster
ge&ouml;ffnet">users(a)ovirt.org</a>&gt=
;<br /> >>>> Betreff: Re: [ovirt-users] Problem starting
VMs<=
br /> >>>><br />
>>>><br /> >>>>> =
On 23 Aug 2016, at 11:06, Wolfgang Bucher <<a href=3D"mailto:wolfgang.=
bucher(a)netland-mn.de" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der externe Link wird
in=
einem neuen Fenster
ge&ouml;ffnet">wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.de</a>&gt;=
wrote:<br /> >>>>><br />
>>>>> Thank's<br =
/> >>>>><br />
>>>>> but what do you mean w=
ith "initialization is finished”<br />
>>>><br /> >&=
gt;>><br /> >>>> until it gets from
WaitForLaunch to Po=
weringUp state, effectively until the qemu process properly starts up<br =
/> >>>><br />
>>>>><br />
>>>>>=
sometimes the vm crashes while copying files!<br />
>>>><br =
/> >>>><br /> >>>> when
exactly=3F Can you descri=
be exactly what you are doing and what is reported as a reason for crash.=
When exactly does it crash and how=3F<br /> >>>><br
/> >&=
gt;>> Thanks,<br /> >>>> michal<br
/> >>>><=
br /> >>>>><br />
>>>>><br /> >>>&=
gt;><br /> >>>>> Wolfgang<br />
>>>>><br=
/> >>>>><br />
>>>>>> -----Ursprün=
gliche Nachricht-----<br /> >>>>>> Von:
Milan Zamazal&n=
bsp;<<a href=3D"mailto:mzamazal@redhat.com"
target=3D"_blank" title=3D=
"Der externe Link wird in einem neuen Fenster
geöffnet">mzamazal@red=
hat.com</a>><br /> >>>>>>
Gesendet: Die 23 August 20=
16 16:59<br /> >>>>>> An: Wolfgang Bucher
<<a href=3D=
"mailto:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"Der ext=
erne Link wird in einem neuen Fenster geöffnet">wolfgang.bucher@netl=
and-mn.de</a>><br /> >>>>>>
CC: <a href=3D"mailto:us=
ers(a)ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der externe Link wird in
einem =
neuen Fenster ge&ouml;ffnet">users(a)ovirt.org</a> (<a
href=3D"mailto:users=
@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der externe Link wird in einem
neu=
en Fenster ge&ouml;ffnet">users(a)ovirt.org</a>) <<a
href=3D"mailto:user=
s(a)ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der externe Link wird in einem
ne=
uen Fenster ge&ouml;ffnet">users(a)ovirt.org</a>&gt;<br />
>>>>=
>> Betreff: Re: AW: Problem starting VMs<br />
>>>>>=
><br /> >>>>>> Wolfgang Bucher
<<a href=3D"mailto=
:wolfgang.bucher@netland-mn.de" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"Der externe
Li=
nk wird in einem neuen Fenster ge&ouml;ffnet">wolfgang.bucher(a)netland-mn.=
de</a>> writes:<br />
>>>>>><br />
>>>>&=
gt;> > the problem is "waiting for launch" takes up to 20
min.<br /=
>>>>>> ><br />
>>>>>> ><br />=
>>>>>> > I did a lot of tests with some
vm's and th=
problem is:<br /> >>>>>> ><br
/> >>>>&g=
t;> ><br /> >>>>>> >
1. create a win2012=
server<br /> >>>>>> ><br />
>>>>>>=
; > 2. attache a new disk (thin provision)<br />
>>>>>&=
gt; ><br /> >>>>>> > 3. fill
the disk from networ=
k share with about 100G<br /> >>>>>>
><br /> >>=
;>>>> > 4. shutdown the vm<br />
>>>>>> =
><br /> >>>>>> > 5. reboot
host and try starting =
the vm (takes a lot of time until launch)<br />
>>>>>> =
><br /> >>>>>> ><br />
>>>>>> &=
gt;<br /> >>>>>> > It's because
of a high fragmented=
filessystem <br /> >>>>>><br />
>>>>>&g=
t; I see, thank you for the explanation. In such a case, it may take a lo=
t<br /> >>>>>> of time before all the
initialization is=
finished.<br /> >>>>>><br />
>>>>>> =
Regards,<br /> >>>>>> Milan<br />
>>>>><=
br /> >>>>>
______________________________________________=
_<br /> >>>>> Users mailing list<br />
>>>>>=
; <a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"Der exter=
ne Link wird in einem neuen Fenster
ge&ouml;ffnet">Users(a)ovirt.org</a><br=
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