On 1. 4. 2021, at 23:44, Thomas Hoberg <thomas(a)hoberg.net>
I personally consider the fact that you gave up on 4.3/CentOS7 before CentOS 8 could have
even been remotely reliable to run "a free open-source virtualization solution for
your entire enterprise", a rather violent break of trust.
it wasn’t really any different from past big releases. It’s been in development for
roughly a year. Sure, there were hiccups during el7->el8 transition, but it didn’t seem
to me any worse than when we moved from el6 to el7.
I understand Redhat's motivation with Python 2/3 etc., but users just don't.
Please just try for a minute to view this from a user's perspective.
it’s not RedHat’s motivation, it’s python 2 end of life that was on January 2020 already.
Every larger project written in python suffered, we already exceeded py2 EOL by several
months but it couldn’t have been avoided.
Users may not care, but there’s no way for developers to work around a language
deprecation/redesign. I do not see how we could do anything about it.
With CentOS 7 supported until 2024, we naturally expect the added
value on top via oVirt to persist just as long.
oVirt has nothing to do with CentOS, it’s just been our choice to build on as a stable and
ubiquitous OS to build on, but it doesn’t define our own lifecycle.
And with CentOS 8 support lasting until the end of this year, oVirt 4.4 can't be
considered "Petrus" or a rock to build on.
right, the end of good old CentOS model is a big issue we have to sort out before the end
of the year. There’s been previous threads on this topic, we do have CentOS Stream support
for development, for stable user environment we will probably need something else. Things
are in motion, there’s “free” RHEL offering, there are multiple other clones like Rocky or
Alma, patches on the way to support them.
Most of us run oVirt simply because we are most interested in the VMs it runs (tenants
We're not interested in keeping oVirt itself stable and from failing after any update
to the house of cards.
And yes, by now I am sorry to have chosen oVirt at all, finding that 4.3 was abandonend
before 4.4 or the CentOS 8 below was even stable and long before the base OS ran out of
I’m sorry for your experience.
It’s understandable end users do not see the developer’s issues. But this is an open
source project, some involvement is kind of expected. if you’re looking for a guaranteed
support without dealing with “details” you can always consider commercial offering, be it
RHV or VMware or whatever else.
Maintaining older versions is usually “the thing” that you get with commercial products.
OSS projects usually offer backward compatibility only to a certain degree depending of
available resources. We don’t really have them, we cannot maintain python2, we cannot
maintain CentOS 7 or keep running CentOS 8 program.
If there is anyone interested in help, provide automation for older versions, keep fixing
it, add other operating system support and maintain it, then absolutely, please come
forward and let’s do that by all means.
To the users out there oVirt is a platform, a tool, not a means to itself.
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