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On 4 Oct 2013, at 20:31, H. Haven Liu wrote:

> I don't mean to appear argumentative, but these suggestions sounds =
like non-answers:
>=20
> 1. my "favorite" VNC viewer is the "Screen Sharing" app in Mac (which =
is the default VNC viewer that comes with every OS X installation). It =
does not take input files (AFAIK). The previous solution was good in =
that it just presents the password, which I can copy/paste into "Screen =
Sharing;

Have you tried SPICE with http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client ?
Have you tried noVNC support new in 3.3?


> 2. the problem with "downloading" a file is that I have to open it =
(with yet another application), and delete the file afterwards.

indeed, that's not very convenient :-/

>=20
> Again, I'm not even saying the .vv file does not have benefits or that =
the option should not be there, as I'm sure those that use virt-viewer =
can enjoy it. But not everyone uses virt-viewer, and not all popular VNC =
viewer supports file inputs.

well, the file contains all the info needed for connection so with a =
simple wrapper every single VNC client which accepts a host/pwd on =
cmdline will work just fine.
regarding your favorite app, there seems to be way how to open it =
without asking for anything, see =
http://superuser.com/questions/217425/is-there-a-way-to-launch-screenshari=
ng-from-the-terminal
so how about writing a simple bash wrapper to parse out the =
host&password and launch "open vnc://user@pass:server:port" ?
If you succeed it would be great if you can share your wrapper script

>=20
> You can't possibly be telling me that using a VNC client such as mine =
is benefited by the "download .vv file method" as compared to the =
previous method. Anyway you slice it, it sounds just like "well, too =
bad. deal with it"

I hope one of the three solutions above would work for you=85

Thanks,
michal

>=20
> On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Michal Skrivanek =
<michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> On 4 Oct 2013, at 17:12, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 10/04/2013 06:09 PM, Haoyang Haven Liu wrote:
>>>> I can appreciate the .vv file for certain platforms in which =
virt-viewer provides additional benefits, but my point was I (and I =
suspect at least some other) use existing VNC clients in =
Mac/Windows/Linux, and perhaps don't want to use virt-viewer. In those =
cases, that the  "download .vv file method" is more needlessly =
cumbersome as compared to the "popup with host/port/password" method, =
whether it involves writing a wrapper, or just open the downloaded text =
file.
>>>>=20
>>>> As I said, perhaps instead of the two console options scheme =
currently, it should be a three console option scheme with "VNC", =
"virt-viewer", "SPICE", because the "download .vv file method" is not at =
all (generic) VNC clients friendly.
>>>=20
>>> it is missing a script for you to associate with your browser, which =
will get the .vv file and launch your favorite vnc client with the info =
from the .vv file?
>>=20
>> or, if you prefer, associate it with your favorite text editor so you =
can copy&paste the same info as before.
>> It's a browser's association you have to set/change
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> michal
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Itamar Heim <iheim@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> On 10/03/2013 02:29 AM, Christian Hernandez wrote:
>>>>>>>> Since virt-viewer appears to be a linux-only tool, and VNC =
clients
>>>>>> from Windows or OS X do not recognize the file formats, opening a
>>>>>> console to a VM just became more cumbersome for not apparent >> =
benefit.
>>>>>> There should at least be an option for those that don't use =
virt-viewer
>>>>>> to still get the popup.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Agreed
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Maybe this is just a ploy to get everyone to use Spice?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ...if that's the case; when are we going to get Spice plugin for =
Mac OSX?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> to answer both.
>>>>> 1. its not a ploy, its actually to solve the problem for platforms =
without plugins for spice or vnc (no platform has a plugin for vnc).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 2. virt-viewer supports both windows and linux
>>>>> http://www.spice-space.org/download.html
>>>>>=20
>>>>> i remember there is a client for mac as well actually, i suggest =
asking on:
>>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/spice-devel
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 3. you can write a small wrapper script and associate it with the =
.vv file (hopefully, someone will do this and attach an example for =
others).
>>>>> this will work for both vnc of your choice and spice on any =
platform
>>>>>=20
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> Itamar
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Christian Hernandez
>>>>>> 1225 Los Angeles Street
>>>>>> Glendale, CA 91204
>>>>>> Phone: 877-782-2737 ext. 4566
>>>>>> Fax: 818-265-3152
>>>>>> christianh@4over.com <mailto:christianh@4over.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:christianh@4over.com <mailto:christianh@4over.com>>
>>>>>> www.4over.com <http://www.4over.com/> <http://www.4over.com
>>>>>> <http://www.4over.com/>>
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Haoyang Haven Liu =
<haven.liu@ucla.edu
>>>>>> <mailto:haven.liu@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>  The replacement of VNC popup with a .vv file download seems like =
a
>>>>>>  (or several) step backward. Since virt-viewer appears to be a
>>>>>>  linux-only tool, and VNC clients from Windows or OS X do not
>>>>>>  recognize the file formats, opening a console to a VM just =
became
>>>>>>  more cumbersome for not apparent benefit. There should at least =
be
>>>>>>  an option for those that don't use virt-viewer to still get the =
popup.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>  Haven
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>  On Sep 30, 2013, at 2:08 AM, Frantisek Kobzik =
<fkobzik@redhat.com
>>>>>>  <mailto:fkobzik@redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Hello Nick,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> concerning the 3rd screenshot - that was a bug in oVirt, but the
>>>>>>  fix has been already merged.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> About the VNC popup - indeed, it has been removed. The only way
>>>>>>  to get the VNC connection information is using 'Native' mode in
>>>>>>  Console options dialog and then open incoming .vv file (e.g. =
using
>>>>>>  text editor, script...). I suppose the virt-viewer association =
with
>>>>>>  .vv file must be turned off (otherwise virt-viewer will pop up
>>>>>>  instantly).
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Frank.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Nicholas Kesick" <cybertimber2000@hotmail.com
>>>>>>  <mailto:cybertimber2000@hotmail.com>>
>>>>>>> To: "oVirt Mailing List" <users@ovirt.org =
<mailto:users@ovirt.org>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 11:09:14 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Users] Understanding Console Options
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I'm trying to understand the various console options for a wiki
>>>>>>  page. Can someone make sure what I have in the attachments are =
right?
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Also when a VM is set to Spice and I open Console Options (at
>>>>>>  least in IE 10 for me, need to test further), it opens to Remote
>>>>>>  Desktop. Are these active yet? I don't see RDP as an option =
under
>>>>>>  Edit > Console.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Finally, is there any way to get the VNC option that we had in
>>>>>>  oVirt 3.2 that would pop up with a port number and password to =
use
>>>>>>  with a local client?
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> - Nick
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>>> Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>  Users mailing list
>>>>>>  Users@ovirt.org <mailto:Users@ovirt.org>
>>>>>>  http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Users mailing list
>>>>>> Users@ovirt.org
>>>>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>>>>=20
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
"><br><div><div>On 4 Oct 2013, at 20:31, H. Haven Liu wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Diso-8859-1"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I =
don't mean to appear argumentative, but these suggestions sounds like =
non-answers:<div><br></div><div>1. my "favorite" VNC viewer is the =
"Screen Sharing" app in Mac (which is the default VNC viewer that comes =
with every OS X installation). It does not take input files (AFAIK). The =
previous solution was good in that it just presents the password, which =
I can copy/paste into "Screen =
Sharing;</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Have you tried SPICE =
with <a =
href=3D"http://www.spice-space.org/page/OSX_Client">http://www.spice-space=
.org/page/OSX_Client</a> ?</div><div>Have you tried noVNC support new in =
3.3?</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>2. the problem with =
"downloading" a file is that I have to open it (with =
yet <i>another</i> application), and delete the file =
afterwards.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>indeed, that's not =
very convenient :-/</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Again, I'm =
not even saying the .vv file does not have benefits or that the option =
should not be there, as I'm sure those that use virt-viewer can enjoy =
it. But not everyone uses virt-viewer, and not all popular VNC viewer =
supports file inputs.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>well, =
the file contains all the info needed for connection so with a simple =
wrapper every single VNC client which accepts a host/pwd on cmdline will =
work just fine.</div><div>regarding your favorite app, there seems to be =
way how to open it without asking for anything, see <a =
href=3D"http://superuser.com/questions/217425/is-there-a-way-to-launch-scr=
eensharing-from-the-terminal">http://superuser.com/questions/217425/is-the=
re-a-way-to-launch-screensharing-from-the-terminal</a></div><div>so how =
about writing a simple bash wrapper to parse out the host&password =
and launch "open <a =
href=3D"vnc://user@pass:server:port">vnc://user@pass:server:port</a>" =
?</div><div>If you succeed it would be great if you can share your =
wrapper script</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap:=
 break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>You can't possibly be telling =
me that using a VNC client such as mine is benefited by the "download =
.vv file method" as compared to the previous method. Anyway you slice =
it, it sounds just like "well, too bad. deal with =
it"</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I hope one of the three =
solutions above would work for =
you=85</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>michal</div><div><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
"><div><br></div><div>On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Michal Skrivanek =
<<a =
href=3D"mailto:michal.skrivanek@redhat.com">michal.skrivanek@redhat.com</a=
>> wrote:</div><div><div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>On 4 =
Oct 2013, at 17:12, Itamar Heim wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On=
 10/04/2013 06:09 PM, Haoyang Haven Liu wrote:<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">I can appreciate the .vv file for certain platforms in =
which virt-viewer provides additional benefits, but my point was I (and =
I suspect at least some other) use existing VNC clients in =
Mac/Windows/Linux, and perhaps don't want to use virt-viewer. In those =
cases, that the  "download .vv file method" is more needlessly =
cumbersome as compared to the "popup with host/port/password" method, =
whether it involves writing a wrapper, or just open the downloaded text =
file.<br><br>As I said, perhaps instead of the two console options =
scheme currently, it should be a three console option scheme with "VNC", =
"virt-viewer", "SPICE", because the "download .vv file method" is not at =
all (generic) VNC clients friendly.<br></blockquote><br>it is missing a =
script for you to associate with your browser, which will get the .vv =
file and launch your favorite vnc client with the info from the .vv =
file?<br></blockquote><br>or, if you prefer, associate it with your =
favorite text editor so you can copy&paste the same info as =
before.<br>It's a browser's association you have to =
set/change<br><br>Thanks,<br>michal<br><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br><br><br>On Oct 4, 2013, =
at 4:49 AM, Itamar Heim <<a =
href=3D"mailto:iheim@redhat.com">iheim@redhat.com</a>> =
wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 10/03/2013 02:29 AM, =
Christian Hernandez wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Since virt-viewer appears to be =
a linux-only tool, and VNC clients<br></blockquote></blockquote>from =
Windows or OS X do not recognize the file formats, opening a<br>console =
to a VM just became more cumbersome for not apparent >> =
benefit.<br>There should at least be an option for those that don't use =
virt-viewer<br>to still get the popup.<br><br>Agreed<br><br>Maybe this =
is just a ploy to get everyone to use Spice?<br><br>...if that's the =
case; when are we going to get Spice plugin for Mac =
OSX?<br></blockquote><br>to answer both.<br>1. its not a ploy, its =
actually to solve the problem for platforms without plugins for spice or =
vnc (no platform has a plugin for vnc).<br><br>2. virt-viewer supports =
both windows and linux<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.spice-space.org/download.html">http://www.spice-space.o=
rg/download.html</a><br><br>i remember there is a client for mac as well =
actually, i suggest asking on:<br><a =
href=3D"http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/spice-devel">http://=
lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/spice-devel</a><br><br>3. you can =
write a small wrapper script and associate it with the .vv file =
(hopefully, someone will do this and attach an example for =
others).<br>this will work for both vnc of your choice and spice on any =
platform<br><br>HTH,<br> Itamar<br><br><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br><br>Thank you,<br><br>Christian Hernandez<br>1225 Los =
Angeles Street<br>Glendale, CA 91204<br>Phone: 877-782-2737 ext. =
4566<br>Fax: 818-265-3152<br>christianh@4over.com =
<mailto:christianh@4over.com><br><mailto:christianh@4over.com =
<mailto:christianh@4over.com>><br>www.4over.com =
<http://www.4over.com/> =
<http://www.4over.com<br><http://www.4over.com/>><br><br><br>O=
n Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Haoyang Haven Liu =
<haven.liu@ucla.edu<br><mailto:haven.liu@ucla.edu>> =
wrote:<br><br>  The replacement of VNC popup with a .vv file =
download seems like a<br>  (or several) step backward. Since =
virt-viewer appears to be a<br>  linux-only tool, and VNC clients =
from Windows or OS X do not<br>  recognize the file formats, =
opening a console to a VM just became<br>  more cumbersome for not =
apparent benefit. There should at least be<br>  an option for those =
that don't use virt-viewer to still get the popup.<br><br> =
 Haven<br><br>  On Sep 30, 2013, at 2:08 AM, Frantisek Kobzik =
<fkobzik@redhat.com<br>  <mailto:fkobzik@redhat.com>> =
wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hello Nick,<br><br>concerning =
the 3rd screenshot - that was a bug in oVirt, but the<br></blockquote> =
 fix has been already merged.<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>About =
the VNC popup - indeed, it has been removed. The only =
way<br></blockquote>  to get the VNC connection information is =
using 'Native' mode in<br>  Console options dialog and then open =
incoming .vv file (e.g. using<br>  text editor, script...). I =
suppose the virt-viewer association with<br>  .vv file must be =
turned off (otherwise virt-viewer will pop up<br> =
 instantly).<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br>Regards,<br>Frank.<br><br>----- Original Message =
-----<br>From: "Nicholas Kesick" =
<cybertimber2000@hotmail.com<br></blockquote> =
 <mailto:cybertimber2000@hotmail.com>><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">To: "oVirt Mailing List" <users@ovirt.org =
<mailto:users@ovirt.org>><br>Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 =
11:09:14 PM<br>Subject: [Users] Understanding Console Options<br><br>I'm =
trying to understand the various console options for a =
wiki<br></blockquote>  page. Can someone make sure what I have in =
the attachments are right?<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>Also when a =
VM is set to Spice and I open Console Options (at<br></blockquote> =
 least in IE 10 for me, need to test further), it opens to =
Remote<br>  Desktop. Are these active yet? I don't see RDP as an =
option under<br>  Edit > Console.<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br>Finally, is there any way to get the VNC option that =
we had in<br></blockquote>  oVirt 3.2 that would pop up with a port =
number and password to use<br>  with a local client?<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br>- =
Nick<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Users =
mailing list<br>Users@ovirt.org =
<mailto:Users@ovirt.org><br>http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/=
users<br>_______________________________________________<br>Users =
mailing list<br>Users@ovirt.org =
<mailto:Users@ovirt.org><br>http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/=
users<br></blockquote><br> =
 _______________________________________________<br>  Users =
mailing list<br>  Users@ovirt.org =
<mailto:Users@ovirt.org><br> =
 http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users<br><br><br><br><br>___=
____________________________________________<br>Users mailing =
list<br>Users@ovirt.org<br>http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users<b=
r><br></blockquote><br></blockquote><br></blockquote><br></blockquote><br>=
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