So, a quick non-scientific poll... Motivation: It has been suggested that adding ubuntu or debian distro support could broaden the reach of the oVirt community. To date, there has been some work towards this goal, but it is not "coming to a conclusion". Questions that comes to mind: 1) Is this still an issue?

2) Can we afford to dilute the focus we have as it is hard enough to stabilize the currently supported distro's? is it worth the potential impact? 3) Would it have maintainers catering to it so it won't be left behind / delay development? 4) Why bother with host support, ovirt-node can be used? 5) Why bother with engine support, a virtual appliance or a docker image could be used? 6) if we do it, should we focus on Ubuntu or Debian distro first?

7) if we do it, should we focus on host or engine first?

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On 17/11/14 08:41, Itamar Heim wrote: > > 1) Is this still an issue? Yes of course, or is it implemented yet? > 2) Can we afford to dilute the focus we have as it is hard enough to > stabilize the currently supported distro's? is it worth the > potential impact? In general: Software which supports multiple operating systems/distros tends to be more stable, because some bugs just get found on specific platforms. the general ovirt technology is available "everywhere" (TM): java & python > 3) Would it have maintainers catering to it so it won't be left behind > / delay development? this is a question for devel(a)ovirt.org (CC'ed ;) ) > 4) Why bother with host support, ovirt-node can be used? My impression is, that most users don't use ovirt-node, because this project has not enough dev power and lacks certain stuff > 5) Why bother with engine support, a virtual appliance or a docker > image could be used? docker is inherently insecure (a famous red hatter said: it's like download random code from the internet and run it as root), so docker is no option today, imho. > 6) if we do it, should we focus on Ubuntu or Debian distro first? well, the general rule of thumb is: if it runs on debian it runs on ubuntu. I see way more debian than ubuntu servers, but for modern deployments this changes. my personal opinion is, that ubuntu sucks as a server os. > 7) if we do it, should we focus on host or engine first? atm you are focusing host, there are some bugs open for that and it's planned for 3.6. (that's what I read at least) General note: Imho ovirt would greatly benefit from more supported distros. Not just debian and ubuntu, but you have to start somewhere. you can attract many devs, which just don't use el/fedora. furthermore, the basic technology runs on any linux distribution: java and python so these are "just" integration issues (path to configfiles, different init systems, packaging not in rpm, but deb, etc.) This is still a huge effort, but I guess canonical and various debian developers would maybe join the effort to make ovirt work on their platform.

my 2 cent

From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim(a)redhat.com&gt; To: users(a)ovirt.org Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 9:41:32 AM Subject: [ovirt-users] Ubuntu/Debian support? So, a quick non-scientific poll... Motivation: It has been suggested that adding ubuntu or debian distro support could broaden the reach of the oVirt community. To date, there has been some work towards this goal, but it is not "coming to a conclusion". Questions that comes to mind: 1) Is this still an issue?

2) Can we afford to dilute the focus we have as it is hard enough to stabilize the currently supported distro's? is it worth the potential impact?

3) Would it have maintainers catering to it so it won't be left behind / delay development?

4) Why bother with host support, ovirt-node can be used?

5) Why bother with engine support, a virtual appliance or a docker image could be used?

6) if we do it, should we focus on Ubuntu or Debian distro first?

7) if we do it, should we focus on host or engine first?

From: "Itamar Heim" <iheim(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "Yedidyah Bar David" <didi(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: users(a)ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:58:08 AM Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Ubuntu/Debian support? On 11/18/2014 03:54 AM, Yedidyah Bar David wrote: > Define "issue". iow, define what our goal is. If it's "make it possible > to easily run ovirt on debian", that's one thing, perhaps easily achieved > by your points 4-5 below. If it's "have ovirt packaged inside the Debian > archive" that's a considerably different issue. > I think we should aim for the latter, the former is a start. I'm fine with "for" not "inside" - that's the current status for fedora and we are not there yet even for centos.

> > 8. Do we have here existing users that are interested in > this? If it worked equally well, would you (re?)install on Debian? > > Because if the answer is 'No', we might be discussing this on the > wrong list, and better approach Debian lists/forums/etc. that's one of the reasons i qualified this as a "quick non-scientific poll"...