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--_000_1DA0132AE68A4110B189E34426BCB310ifufrjbr_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again, Setting the folder permissions to vdsm:kvm (36:36) done the trick to make N= FS work. I wasn't expecting this to work since it does not make sense to me= , making a parallel with the iSCSI problem. I'm starting to believe that's something just bad. Perhaps the Storage syst= em is running with something broken or the host machine is just unstable. I will consider this as solved, since further inside the oVirt Engine panel= I was able to mount and use the same iSCSI sharing. But let me ask for sincere answers here: 1. oVirt is feature complete comparing to RHEV? 2. Should I migrate from XenServer to oVirt? This is biased, I know, but I = would like to hear opinions. The folks with @redhat.com email addresses wil= l know how to advocate in favor of oVirt. 3. Some "journalists" says that oVirt is like Fedora in comparison to RHEL,= is this really true? Or it's more aligned with a CentOS-like release? Beca= use Fedora isn't really an Enterprise OS, and I was looking for an Enterpri= se Hypervisor. I'm aware that oVirt is the upstream from RHEV. 4. There is any good SPICE client for macOS? Or should I just use the HTML5= version instead? Thanks, V. Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul@redhat.com<mailto:ykaul@redhat.= com>> wrote: On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Vin=EDcius Ferr=E3o <ferrao(a)if.ufrj.br&lt;ma= ilto:ferrao@if.ufrj.br>> wrote: Hello Adam and Karli, I will remap uid and gid of NFS to 36 and try again with NFS sharing. But this does not make much sense, because on iSCSI this should not happen.= There are no permissions involved and when oVirt runs the hosted-engine se= tup it creates the ext3 filesystem on the iSCSI share without any issue. He= re=92s a photo of the network bandwidth during the OVF deployment: http://w= ww.if.ufrj.br/~ferrao/ovirt/bandwidth-iscsi-ovf.jpg So it=92s appears to be working. Something happens after the deployment tha= t brokes the connections and kills vdsm. Indeed - may be two different issues. Let us know how the NFS works first, = then let's try with iSCSI. Y. Thanks, V. On 23 Jun 2017, at 17:47, Adam Litke <alitke@redhat.com<mailto:alitke@redha= t.com>> wrote: On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Karli Sj=F6berg <karli(a)inparadise.se&lt;mailt= o:karli@inparadise.se>> wrote: Den 23 juni 2017 21:08 skrev Vin=EDcius Ferr=E3o <ferrao@if.ufrj.br<mailto:= ferrao(a)if.ufrj.br&gt;&gt;: Hello oVirt folks. I=92m a traitor of the Xen movement and was looking for some good alternati= ves for XenServer hypervisors. I was aware of KVM for a long time but I was= missing a more professional and appliance feeling of the product, and oVir= t appears to deliver exactly what I=92m looking for. Don=92t get me wrong, I=92m not saying that Xen is not good, I=92m looking = for equal or better alternatives, but I=92m starting to get frustrated with= oVirt. Firstly I=92ve tried to install the oVirt Node on a VM in VMware Fusion on = my notebook, it was a no go. For whatever reasons I don=92t know vdsmd.serv= ice and libvirtd failed to start. I make sure that I was running with EPT s= upport enabled to achieve nested virtualization, but as I said: it was a no= go. So I=92ve decommissioned a XenServer machine that was in production just to= try oVirt. The hardware is not new, but=92s it=92s very capable: Dual Xeon= E5506 with 48GB of system RAM, but I can=92t get the hosted engine to work= , it always insults my hardware: --- Hosted Engine deployment failed: this = system is not reliable, please check the issue,fix and redeploy. It=92s definitely a problem on the storage subsystem, the error is just ran= dom, at this moment I=92ve got: [ ERROR ] Failed to execute stage 'Misc configuration': [-32605] No respons= e for JSON-RPC StorageDomain.detach request. But on other tries it came up with something like this: No response for JSON-RPC Volume.getSize request. I was thinking that the problem was on the NFSv3 server on our FreeNAS box,= so I=92ve changed to an iSCSI backend, but the problem continues. Can't say anything about your issues without the logs but there's nothing w= rong with FreeNAS (FreeBSD) NFS, I've been running oVirt with FreeBSD's NFS= since oVirt 3.2 so... Could you share your relevant exports configuration to make sure he's using= something that you know works? "You're holding it wrong":) Sorry, I know you're frustrated but that's what= I can add to the conversation. /K This happens at the very end of the ovirt-hosted-engine-setup command, whic= h leads me to believe that=92s an oVirt issue. The OVA was already copied a= nd deployed to the storage: [ INFO ] Starting vdsmd [ INFO ] Creating Volume Group [ INFO ] Creating Storage Domain [ INFO ] Creating Storage Pool [ INFO ] Connecting Storage Pool [ INFO ] Verifying sanlock lockspace initialization [ INFO ] Creating Image for 'hosted-engine.lockspace' ... [ INFO ] Image for 'hosted-engine.lockspace' created successfully [ INFO ] Creating Image for 'hosted-engine.metadata' ... [ INFO ] Image for 'hosted-engine.metadata' created successfully [ INFO ] Creating VM Image [ INFO ] Extracting disk image from OVF archive (could take a few minutes d= epending on archive size) [ INFO ] Validating pre-allocated volume size [ INFO ] Uploading volume to data domain (could take a few minutes dependin= g on archive size) [ INFO ] Image successfully imported from OVF [ ERROR ] Failed to execute stage 'Misc configuration': [-32605] No respons= e for JSON-RPC StorageDomain.detach request. [ INFO ] Yum Performing yum transaction rollback [ INFO ] Stage: Clean up [ INFO ] Generating answer file '/var/lib/ovirt-hosted-engine-setup/answers= /answers-20170623032541.conf' [ INFO ] Stage: Pre-termination [ INFO ] Stage: Termination [ ERROR ] Hosted Engine deployment failed: this system is not reliable, ple= ase check the issue,fix and redeploy Log file is located at /var/log/ovirt-hosted-engine-setup/ovirt-hosted-engi= ne-setup-20170623023424-o9rbt0.log At this point I really don=92t know what I should try. And the log file is = too verborragic (hoping this word exists) to look for errors. Any guidance? Thanks, V. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org<mailto:Users@ovirt.orghttp://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org<mailto:Users@ovirt.orghttp://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- Adam Litke _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@ovirt.org<mailto:Users@ovirt.orghttp://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users --_000_1DA0132AE68A4110B189E34426BCB310ifufrjbr_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html<head<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"</head<body dir=3D"auto"<div><span></span></div<div<div><span></span></div<div<div>Hello again,</div<div><br</div<div>Setting the folder permissions to vdsm:kvm (36:36) done the trick to m= ake NFS work. I wasn't expecting this to work since it does not make sense = to me, making a parallel with the iSCSI problem.</div<div><br</div<div>I'm starting to believe that's something just bad. Perhaps the Storage= system is running with something broken or the host machine is just unstab= le.</div<div><br</div<div>I will consider this as solved, since further inside the oVirt Engine = panel I was able to mount and use the same iSCSI sharing.</div<div><br</div<div>But let me ask for sincere answers here:</div<div><br</div<div>1. oVirt is feature complete comparing to RHEV?</div<div><br</div<div>2. Should I migrate from XenServer to oVirt? This is biased, I know, b= ut I would like to hear opinions. The folks with @redhat.com email addresse= s will know how to advocate in favor of oVirt.</div<div><br</div<div>3. Some &quot;journalists&quot; says that oVirt is like Fedora in comp= arison to RHEL, is this really true? Or it's more aligned with a CentOS-lik= e release? Because Fedora isn't really an Enterprise OS, and I was looking = for an Enterprise Hypervisor. I'm aware that oVirt is the upstream from RHEV.</div<div><br</div<div>4. There is any good SPICE client for macOS? Or should I just use the = HTML5 version instead?</div<div><br</div<div>Thanks,</div<div>V.<br<br<div>Sent from my iPhone</div</div<div><brOn 23 Jun 2017, at 18:50, Yaniv Kaul &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ykaul@redhat.com= &quot;&gt;ykaul(a)redhat.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:<br<br</div<blockquote type=3D"cite"<div<div dir=3D"ltr"><br<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Vin=EDcius Fer= r=E3o <span dir=3D"ltr"&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ferrao@if.ufrj.br" target=3D&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;ferrao(a)if.ufrj.b= r</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hello Adam and Karli, <div><br</div<div>I will remap uid and gid of NFS to 36 and try again with NFS sharing.<= /div<div><br</div<div>But this does not make much sense, because on iSCSI this should not ha= ppen. There are no permissions involved and when oVirt runs the hosted-engi= ne setup it creates the ext3 filesystem on the iSCSI share without any issu= e. Here=92s a photo of the network bandwidth during the OVF deployment: <a href=3D"http://www.if.ufrj.br/~fer= rao/ovirt/bandwidth-iscsi-ovf.jpg" target=3D"_blank"http://www.if.ufrj.br/~ferrao/<wbr>ovirt/bandwidth-iscsi-ovf.jpg<...<div><br</div<div>So it=92s appears to be working. Something happens after the deploymen= t that brokes the connections and kills vdsm.</div</div</blockquote<div><br</div<div>Indeed - may be two different issues. Let us know how the NFS works fi= rst, then let's try with iSCSI.</div<div>Y.</div<div>&nbsp;</div<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"<div><br</div<div>Thanks,</div<div>V.</div<div<div class=3D"h5"<div><br<div<blockquote type=3D"cite"<div>On 23 Jun 2017, at 17:47, Adam Litke &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alitke@redh= at.com" target=3D&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;alitke(a)redhat.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:</div<br class=3D"m_-5224729437101941227Apple-interchange-newline"<div<div dir=3D"ltr"><br<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Karli Sj=F6berg= <span dir=3D"ltr"&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:karli@inparadise.se" target=3D"_blank">karli@inparadi= se.se</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"<div dir=3D"auto"><span<div><br<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Den 23 juni 2017 21:08 skrev Vin=EDcius Ferr=E3o= &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ferrao@if.ufrj.br" target=3D&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;ferrao(a)if.ufrj.= br</a>&gt;:<br type=3D"attribution"<blockquote class=3D"m_-5224729437101941227m_2441733278705948361quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"<div>Hello oVirt folks.<br<brI=92m a traitor of the Xen movement and was looking for some good alternati= ves for XenServer hypervisors. I was aware of KVM for a long time but I was= missing a more professional and appliance feeling of the product, and oVir= t appears to deliver exactly what I=92m looking for.<br<brDon=92t get me wrong, I=92m not saying that Xen is not good, I=92m looking = for equal or better alternatives, but I=92m starting to get frustrated with= oVirt.<br<brFirstly I=92ve tried to install the oVirt Node on a VM in VMware Fusion on = my notebook, it was a no go. For whatever reasons I don=92t know vdsmd.serv= ice and libvirtd failed to start. I make sure that I was running with EPT s= upport enabled to achieve nested virtualization, but as I said: it was a no go.<br<brSo I=92ve decommissioned a XenServer machine that was in production just to= try oVirt. The hardware is not new, but=92s it=92s very capable: Dual Xeon= E5506 with 48GB of system RAM, but I can=92t get the hosted engine to work= , it always insults my hardware: --- Hosted Engine deployment failed: this system is not reliable, please check the is= sue,fix and redeploy.<br<brIt=92s definitely a problem on the storage subsystem, the error is just ran= dom, at this moment I=92ve got:<br<br[ ERROR ] Failed to execute stage 'Misc configuration': [-32605] No respons= e for JSON-RPC StorageDomain.detach request.<br<brBut on other tries it came up with something like this:<br<brNo response for JSON-RPC Volume.getSize request.<br<brI was thinking that the problem was on the NFSv3 server on our FreeNAS box,= so I=92ve changed to an iSCSI backend, but the problem continues.</div</blockquote</div</div</div<div dir=3D"auto"><br</div</span<div dir=3D"auto">Can't say anything about your issues without the logs but= there's nothing wrong with FreeNAS (FreeBSD) NFS, I've been running oVirt = with FreeBSD's NFS since oVirt 3.2 so...</div</div</blockquote<div><br</div<div>Could you share your relevant exports configuration to make sure he's = using something that you know works?</div<div>&nbsp;</div<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"<div dir=3D"auto"<div dir=3D"auto"><br</div<div dir=3D"auto">&quot;You're holding it wrong&quot;:) Sorry, I know you'r= e frustrated but that's what I can add to the conversation.</div<span class=3D"m_-5224729437101941227HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"<div dir=3D"auto"><br</div<div dir=3D"auto">/K</div</font></span<div<div class=3D"m_-5224729437101941227h5"<div dir=3D"auto"><br</div<div dir=3D"auto"<div class=3D"gmail_extra"<div class=3D"gmail_quote"<blockquote class=3D"m_-5224729437101941227m_2441733278705948361quote" styl= e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"<div>This happens at the very end of the ovirt-hosted-engine-setup command,= which leads me to believe that=92s an oVirt issue. The OVA was already cop= ied and deployed to the storage:<br<br[ INFO ] Starting vdsmd<br[ INFO ] Creating Volume Group<br[ INFO ] Creating Storage Domain<br[ INFO ] Creating Storage Pool<br[ INFO ] Connecting Storage Pool<br[ INFO ] Verifying sanlock lockspace initialization<br[ INFO ] Creating Image for 'hosted-engine.lockspace' ...<br[ INFO ] Image for 'hosted-engine.lockspace' created successfully<br[ INFO ] Creating Image for 'hosted-engine.metadata' ...<br[ INFO ] Image for 'hosted-engine.metadata' created successfully<br[ INFO ] Creating VM Image<br[ INFO ] Extracting disk image from OVF archive (could take a few minutes d= epending on archive size)<br[ INFO ] Validating pre-allocated volume size<br[ INFO ] Uploading volume to data domain (could take a few minutes dependin= g on archive size)<br[ INFO ] Image successfully imported from OVF<br[ ERROR ] Failed to execute stage 'Misc configuration': [-32605] No respons= e for JSON-RPC StorageDomain.detach request.<br[ INFO ] Yum Performing yum transaction rollback<br[ INFO ] Stage: Clean up<br[ INFO ] Generating answer file '/var/lib/ovirt-hosted-engine-<wbr>setup/an= swers/answers-20170623<wbr>032541.conf'<br[ INFO ] Stage: Pre-termination<br[ INFO ] Stage: Termination<br[ ERROR ] Hosted Engine deployment failed: this system is not reliable, ple= ase check the issue,fix and redeploy<brLog file is located at /var/log/ovirt-hosted-engine-s<wbr>etup/ovirt-hosted= -engine-setup<wbr>-20170623023424-o9rbt0.log<br<brAt this point I really don=92t know what I should try. And the log file is = too verborragic (hoping this word exists) to look for errors.<br<brAny guidance?<br<brThanks,<brV.<br<br______________________________<wbr>_________________<brUsers mailing list<br<a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Users(a)ovirt.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br= <a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" target=3D"_blank"= >http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman<wbr>/listinfo/users</a><br</div</blockquote</div<br</div</div</div</div</div<br______________________________<wbr>_________________<brUsers mailing list<br<a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Users(a)ovirt.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br= <a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" rel=3D"noreferrer= " target=3D"_blank">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman<wbr>/... br<br</blockquote</div<br<br clear=3D"all"<div><br</div-- <br<div class=3D"m_-5224729437101941227gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmai= l_signature"<div dir=3D"ltr">Adam Litke</div</div</div</div</div</blockquote</div<br</div</div</div</div<br______________________________<wbr>_________________<brUsers mailing list<br<a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org">Users@ovirt.org</a><br<a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" rel=3D"noreferrer= " target=3D"_blank">http://lists.ovirt.org/<wbr>mailman/... br<br</blockquote</div<br</div</div</div</blockquote</div</div</body</html --_000_1DA0132AE68A4110B189E34426BCB310ifufrjbr_--

--Apple-Mail=_14C264AE-EDD9-4816-8521-9283CF06EB7F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HTML5 version instead? There is one spice client, RemoveViewer, but I will not call it good, = it's very slow. So I tend to use the embedded vnc viewer. --Apple-Mail=_14C264AE-EDD9-4816-8521-9283CF06EB7F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div = class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid = rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">4. There is any good SPICE = client for macOS? Or should I just use the HTML5 version = instead?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I'm afraid not.</div><div = class=3D"">Y.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br = class=3D""></div><div>There is one spice client, RemoveViewer, but I = will not call it good, it's very slow. So I tend to use the embedded vnc = viewer.</div><br class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_14C264AE-EDD9-4816-8521-9283CF06EB7F--

in term of reliability, better stay with xenserver

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Yaniv Kaul <ykaul(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: And probably not surprisingly, oVirt is running oVirt in production: https://engine-phx.ovirt.org/ovirt-engine/ for all the oVirt Ci infrastructure (13 hosts, 200 VMs). For what it's worth, I'm on Fedora 26 since April 14th and works like a charm for me. -- SANDRO BONAZZOLA ASSOCIATE MANAGER, SOFTWARE ENGINEERING, EMEA ENG VIRTUALIZATION R&D Red Hat EMEA <https://www.redhat.com/> <https://red.ht/sig> TRIED. TESTED. TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:51:52AM +0200, InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: Seriously, you should have provided some more insights to support your statement. What reliability issues did you encounter in oVirt that are not present in Xenserver? I have deployed *several* oVirt setups since 2012 and haven't found a single realibility issue since then. Of course, there have been some bugs, but the oVirt project made *tremendous* progress since 2012. Regards - Frank

Are we running the same code? I applaud the amount of effort, but I cant image there is a depth of testing. Oh thats right we are the testers for rhel On 29 June 2017 at 21:27, Frank Wall <fw(a)moov.de&gt; wrote:

--Apple-Mail=_17C188C1-8A28-4AEC-A39D-46D97240560E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 <mailto:bdeluca@gmail.com>> wrote: searched and not found. :/=20 I also could not find it. Your best bet would be to configure VM = templates and set the console to vnc there. The default is an OS type setting, you can change/override that in = osinfo[1]. Another alternative is to just use a template with it (including a = system-wide change via Blank template) You can also use the combined display of SPICE+VNC which allows you to = connect with either protocol For the client it=E2=80=99s a user=E2=80=99s preference setting (to use = remote-viewer or novnc/spice-html5) As for the original question, none of the existing MacOS SPICE clients = are enterprise quality(that=E2=80=99s subjective of course:), but = configuring both gives you an easy way how to switch to vnc for = particular user or in case of problems Thanks, michal [1] = http://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/virt/os-info/ <fabrice.bacchella(a)orange.fr <mailto:fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr>> = wrote: HTML5 version instead? it's very slow. So I tend to use the embedded vnc viewer. <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users> <http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users> --Apple-Mail=_17C188C1-8A28-4AEC-A39D-46D97240560E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On 26 Jun 2017, at 15:17, Adam Litke &lt;<a = href=3D"mailto:alitke@redhat.com" class=3D&quot;&quot;&gt;alitke(a)redhat.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:04 AM, = Ben De Luca <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a = href=3D"mailto:bdeluca@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D&quot;&quot;&gt;bdeluca(a)gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/span&gt; wrote:<br = class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div = dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Is there some way to make vnc/web the default = for each vk. Oh I have searched and not found. = :/&nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div= class=3D"">I feel like there used to be a way to do this at the cluster = level but I also could not find it.&nbsp; Your best bet would be to = configure VM templates and set the console to vnc = there.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br = class=3D""></div>The default is an OS type setting, you can = change/override that in osinfo[1].</div><div>Another alternative is to = just use a template with it (including a system-wide change via Blank = template)</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>You can also use the = combined display of SPICE+VNC which allows you to connect with either = protocol</div><div>For the client it=E2=80=99s a user=E2=80=99s = preference setting (to use remote-viewer or = novnc/spice-html5)</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>As for the = original question, none of the existing MacOS SPICE clients are = enterprise quality(that=E2=80=99s subjective of course:), but = configuring both gives you an easy way how to switch to vnc for = particular user or in case of problems</div><div><br = class=3D""></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>michal</div><div><br = class=3D""></div><div>[1]&nbsp;<a = href=3D"http://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/features/vir... nfo/" = class=3D"">http://www.ovirt.org/develop/release-management/f... s-info/</a></div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div = class=3D"">&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div = class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D""><div = class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"">On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 at 8:35 am, Fabrice = Bacchella &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fabrice.bacchella@orange.fr" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D&quot;&quot;&gt;fabrice.bacchella(a)orange.fr&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; = wrote:<br class=3D""></div></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc = solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><div = style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px = solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div= class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">4. There is any good SPICE = client for macOS? Or should I just use the HTML5 version = instead?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I'm afraid not.</div><div = class=3D"">Y.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br = class=3D""></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D""><div= class=3D"">There is one spice client, RemoveViewer, but I will not call = it good, it's very slow. So I tend to use the embedded vnc = viewer.</div><br class=3D""></div></div></div><span = class=3D"">______________________________<wbr = class=3D"">_________________<br class=3D""> Users mailing list<br class=3D""> <a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D&quot;&quot;&gt;Users(a)ovirt.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br class=3D""> <a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://lists.ovirt.org/<wbr = class=3D"">mailman/listinfo/users</a><br class=3D""> </span></blockquote></div></div> <br class=3D"">______________________________<wbr = class=3D"">_________________<br class=3D""> Users mailing list<br class=3D""> <a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" class=3D&quot;&quot;&gt;Users(a)ovirt.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br = class=3D""> <a href=3D"http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://lists.ovirt.org/<wbr = class=3D"">mailman/listinfo/users</a><br class=3D""> <br class=3D""></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><br clear=3D"all" = class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>-- <br class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Adam Litke</div></div> </div></div> _______________________________________________<br class=3D"">Users = mailing list<br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:Users@ovirt.org" = class=3D&quot;&quot;&gt;Users(a)ovirt.org&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br = class=3D"">http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users<br = class=3D""></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_17C188C1-8A28-4AEC-A39D-46D97240560E--