when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
Hey All, we have an interesting bug report from Sandro [1] which says that after the connection between engine and moVirt goes down, moVirt does not notify the user about this and keeps showing the old data in the UI as if nothing happened even they are weeks old. This is obviously not correct but not exactly clear how should it behave. I see this options: - if the connection fails during the refresh, set all the statuses of everything to "unknown" (I would not do this since this would generate the notifications and may be temporal (e.g. phone in tunnel or something)) - leave the data as they are and have some top bar or something saying how old the data are. This would be updated at every poll (Not sure, would occupy place and would make it hard for partial updates. And track this for each entity is costy) - leave the data as they are and if some server communication fails add a top bar with a warning that the connection to server is lost and the data are old - maybe with some note when was the last successful connection. (this seems simple enough and my favorite but still not convinced I like it...) Any more ideas? Thanx, Tomas [1]: https://github.com/matobet/moVirt/issues/66
On May 26, 2015, at 11:04 , Tomas Jelinek <tjelinek@redhat.com> wrote:
Hey All,
we have an interesting bug report from Sandro [1] which says that after the connection between engine and moVirt goes down, moVirt does not notify the user about this and keeps showing the old data in the UI as if nothing happened even they are weeks old. This is obviously not correct but not exactly clear how should it behave. I see this options:
- if the connection fails during the refresh, set all the statuses of everything to "unknown" (I would not do this since this would generate the notifications and may be temporal (e.g. phone in tunnel or something))
- leave the data as they are and have some top bar or something saying how old the data are. This would be updated at every poll (Not sure, would occupy place and would make it hard for partial updates. And track this for each entity is costy)
- leave the data as they are and if some server communication fails add a top bar with a warning that the connection to server is lost and the data are old - maybe with some note when was the last successful connection. (this seems simple enough and my favorite but still not convinced I like it…)
how about greying out the outdated data a little, after some period?
Any more ideas?
Thanx, Tomas
[1]: https://github.com/matobet/moVirt/issues/66 _______________________________________________ moVirt mailing list moVirt@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/movirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Martin Beták" <matobet@gmail.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:06:46 AM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
On May 26, 2015, at 11:04 , Tomas Jelinek <tjelinek@redhat.com> wrote:
Hey All,
we have an interesting bug report from Sandro [1] which says that after the connection between engine and moVirt goes down, moVirt does not notify the user about this and keeps showing the old data in the UI as if nothing happened even they are weeks old. This is obviously not correct but not exactly clear how should it behave. I see this options:
- if the connection fails during the refresh, set all the statuses of everything to "unknown" (I would not do this since this would generate the notifications and may be temporal (e.g. phone in tunnel or something))
- leave the data as they are and have some top bar or something saying how old the data are. This would be updated at every poll (Not sure, would occupy place and would make it hard for partial updates. And track this for each entity is costy)
- leave the data as they are and if some server communication fails add a top bar with a warning that the connection to server is lost and the data are old - maybe with some note when was the last successful connection. (this seems simple enough and my favorite but still not convinced I like it…)
how about greying out the outdated data a little, after some period?
This would require tracking of "last updated" timestamp for each tracked entity and as Tomas mentioned this would be somewhat costly (but maybe not prohibitively). My suggestion would probably be a single global timestamp (last successful request) and have this displayed *always* as a little non-obtrusive footer in each activity. In case a request fails we can make it more prominent (bigger and with cause of last error) so the user knows what is going on. Having always readily available how old the data is will also serve as a simple check that the periodic refresh is working.
Any more ideas?
Thanx, Tomas
[1]: https://github.com/matobet/moVirt/issues/66 _______________________________________________ moVirt mailing list moVirt@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/movirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com> To: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:35:22 PM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
When I read the problem first that I thought was your last option. I think it's more then intuituve. Why don't you like it?
just not sure how much space can we use on a small mobile display. But still the best thing I can imagine so far
It also could be combined with greying item if connection reports an error while updating entity.
yes, combining it with the greying out all the items seems as a good option
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Martin Beták" <matobet@gmail.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:06:46 AM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
On May 26, 2015, at 11:04 , Tomas Jelinek <tjelinek@redhat.com> wrote:
Hey All,
we have an interesting bug report from Sandro [1] which says that after the connection between engine and moVirt goes down, moVirt does not notify the user about this and keeps showing the old data in the UI as if nothing happened even they are weeks old. This is obviously not correct but not exactly clear how should it behave. I see this options:
- if the connection fails during the refresh, set all the statuses of everything to "unknown" (I would not do this since this would generate the notifications and may be temporal (e.g. phone in tunnel or something))
- leave the data as they are and have some top bar or something saying how old the data are. This would be updated at every poll (Not sure, would occupy place and would make it hard for partial updates. And track this for each entity is costy)
- leave the data as they are and if some server communication fails add a top bar with a warning that the connection to server is lost and the data are old - maybe with some note when was the last successful connection. (this seems simple enough and my favorite but still not convinced I like it…)
how about greying out the outdated data a little, after some period?
This would require tracking of "last updated" timestamp for each tracked entity and as Tomas mentioned this would be somewhat costly (but maybe not prohibitively).
My suggestion would probably be a single global timestamp (last successful request) and have this displayed *always* as a little non-obtrusive footer in each activity.
not sure how much non-obtrusive it will be if it will be there all the time changing after each action you do...
In case a request fails we can make it more prominent (bigger and with cause of last error) so the user knows what is going on.
I would show it only when there is an error and show the specific error only after the user clicks it.
Having always readily available how old the data is will also serve as a simple check that the periodic refresh is working.
yeah, but this is useful for development and not so much for the user I'd say.
Any more ideas?
Thanx, Tomas
[1]: https://github.com/matobet/moVirt/issues/66 _______________________________________________ moVirt mailing list moVirt@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/movirt
Hey, top posting for conclude: - have in the DB a field which will mark that the last connection failed and reason or that it succeeded - all the screens will have a small top bar showing only when the last call failed. It will tell that the connection is lost and that the data are old - fire a notification when you loose the connection - only first time. Ideally make this configurable because you not always want this - if the connection is lost, the data should be somehow grey and the actions should be disabled This should be 4 different tasks since they bring value one by one and not only when fully implemented. Is this what we all agree on? Thanx, Tomas ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com> Cc: movirt@ovirt.org, "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:19:56 PM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com> To: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:35:22 PM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
When I read the problem first that I thought was your last option. I think it's more then intuituve. Why don't you like it?
just not sure how much space can we use on a small mobile display. But still the best thing I can imagine so far
It also could be combined with greying item if connection reports an error while updating entity.
yes, combining it with the greying out all the items seems as a good option
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Martin Beták" <matobet@gmail.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:06:46 AM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
On May 26, 2015, at 11:04 , Tomas Jelinek <tjelinek@redhat.com> wrote:
Hey All,
we have an interesting bug report from Sandro [1] which says that after the connection between engine and moVirt goes down, moVirt does not notify the user about this and keeps showing the old data in the UI as if nothing happened even they are weeks old. This is obviously not correct but not exactly clear how should it behave. I see this options:
- if the connection fails during the refresh, set all the statuses of everything to "unknown" (I would not do this since this would generate the notifications and may be temporal (e.g. phone in tunnel or something))
- leave the data as they are and have some top bar or something saying how old the data are. This would be updated at every poll (Not sure, would occupy place and would make it hard for partial updates. And track this for each entity is costy)
- leave the data as they are and if some server communication fails add a top bar with a warning that the connection to server is lost and the data are old - maybe with some note when was the last successful connection. (this seems simple enough and my favorite but still not convinced I like it…)
how about greying out the outdated data a little, after some period?
This would require tracking of "last updated" timestamp for each tracked entity and as Tomas mentioned this would be somewhat costly (but maybe not prohibitively).
My suggestion would probably be a single global timestamp (last successful request) and have this displayed *always* as a little non-obtrusive footer in each activity.
not sure how much non-obtrusive it will be if it will be there all the time changing after each action you do...
In case a request fails we can make it more prominent (bigger and with cause of last error) so the user knows what is going on.
I would show it only when there is an error and show the specific error only after the user clicks it.
Having always readily available how old the data is will also serve as a simple check that the periodic refresh is working.
yeah, but this is useful for development and not so much for the user I'd say.
Any more ideas?
Thanx, Tomas
[1]: https://github.com/matobet/moVirt/issues/66 _______________________________________________ moVirt mailing list moVirt@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/movirt
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 9:33:14 AM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
Hey,
top posting for conclude: - have in the DB a field which will mark that the last connection failed and reason or that it succeeded - all the screens will have a small top bar showing only when the last call failed. It will tell that the connection is lost and that the data are old
we could also show the last successful poll, but not sure it will not occupy too much place. We can try how will it look like.
- fire a notification when you loose the connection - only first time. Ideally make this configurable because you not always want this - if the connection is lost, the data should be somehow grey and the actions should be disabled
This should be 4 different tasks since they bring value one by one and not only when fully implemented.
Is this what we all agree on?
Thanx, Tomas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com> Cc: movirt@ovirt.org, "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:19:56 PM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com> To: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:35:22 PM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
When I read the problem first that I thought was your last option. I think it's more then intuituve. Why don't you like it?
just not sure how much space can we use on a small mobile display. But still the best thing I can imagine so far
It also could be combined with greying item if connection reports an error while updating entity.
yes, combining it with the greying out all the items seems as a good option
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michal Skrivanek" <michal.skrivanek@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Martin Beták" <matobet@gmail.com>, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" <yixin_1992_cia@126.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:06:46 AM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
On May 26, 2015, at 11:04 , Tomas Jelinek <tjelinek@redhat.com> wrote:
Hey All,
we have an interesting bug report from Sandro [1] which says that after the connection between engine and moVirt goes down, moVirt does not notify the user about this and keeps showing the old data in the UI as if nothing happened even they are weeks old. This is obviously not correct but not exactly clear how should it behave. I see this options:
- if the connection fails during the refresh, set all the statuses of everything to "unknown" (I would not do this since this would generate the notifications and may be temporal (e.g. phone in tunnel or something))
- leave the data as they are and have some top bar or something saying how old the data are. This would be updated at every poll (Not sure, would occupy place and would make it hard for partial updates. And track this for each entity is costy)
- leave the data as they are and if some server communication fails add a top bar with a warning that the connection to server is lost and the data are old - maybe with some note when was the last successful connection. (this seems simple enough and my favorite but still not convinced I like it…)
how about greying out the outdated data a little, after some period?
This would require tracking of "last updated" timestamp for each tracked entity and as Tomas mentioned this would be somewhat costly (but maybe not prohibitively).
My suggestion would probably be a single global timestamp (last successful request) and have this displayed *always* as a little non-obtrusive footer in each activity.
not sure how much non-obtrusive it will be if it will be there all the time changing after each action you do...
In case a request fails we can make it more prominent (bigger and with cause of last error) so the user knows what is going on.
I would show it only when there is an error and show the specific error only after the user clicks it.
Having always readily available how old the data is will also serve as a simple check that the periodic refresh is working.
yeah, but this is useful for development and not so much for the user I'd say.
Any more ideas?
Thanx, Tomas
[1]: https://github.com/matobet/moVirt/issues/66 _______________________________________________ moVirt mailing list moVirt@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/movirt
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agreed Понедельник, 1 июня 2015, 3:57 -04:00 от Tomas Jelinek <tjelinek@redhat.com>:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" < tjelinek@redhat.com > To: movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 9:33:14 AM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
Hey,
top posting for conclude: - have in the DB a field which will mark that the last connection failed and reason or that it succeeded - all the screens will have a small top bar showing only when the last call failed. It will tell that the connection is lost and that the data are old
we could also show the last successful poll, but not sure it will not occupy too much place. We can try how will it look like.
- fire a notification when you loose the connection - only first time. Ideally make this configurable because you not always want this - if the connection is lost, the data should be somehow grey and the actions should be disabled
This should be 4 different tasks since they bring value one by one and not only when fully implemented.
Is this what we all agree on?
Thanx, Tomas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" < tjelinek@redhat.com > To: "Martin Betak" < mbetak@redhat.com > Cc: movirt@ovirt.org, "Michal Skrivanek" < michal.skrivanek@redhat.com >, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" < yixin_1992_cia@126.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:19:56 PM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Betak" < mbetak@redhat.com > To: "Michal Skrivanek" < michal.skrivanek@redhat.com > Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" < tjelinek@redhat.com >, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" < yixin_1992_cia@126.com >, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:35:22 PM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
When I read the problem first that I thought was your last option. I think it's more then intuituve. Why don't you like it?
just not sure how much space can we use on a small mobile display. But still the best thing I can imagine so far
It also could be combined with greying item if connection reports an error while updating entity.
yes, combining it with the greying out all the items seems as a good option
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michal Skrivanek" < michal.skrivanek@redhat.com > To: "Tomas Jelinek" < tjelinek@redhat.com > Cc: "Martin Betak" < mbetak@redhat.com >, "Martin Beták" < matobet@gmail.com >, bolya2003@bk.ru, "Yixin Zhang" < yixin_1992_cia@126.com >, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:06:46 AM Subject: Re: [moVirt] when connection fails, user does not know the data are old
On May 26, 2015, at 11:04 , Tomas Jelinek < tjelinek@redhat.com > wrote:
Hey All,
we have an interesting bug report from Sandro [1] which says that after the connection between engine and moVirt goes down, moVirt does not notify the user about this and keeps showing the old data in the UI as if nothing happened even they are weeks old. This is obviously not correct but not exactly clear how should it behave. I see this options:
- if the connection fails during the refresh, set all the statuses of everything to "unknown" (I would not do this since this would generate the notifications and may be temporal (e.g. phone in tunnel or something))
- leave the data as they are and have some top bar or something saying how old the data are. This would be updated at every poll (Not sure, would occupy place and would make it hard for partial updates. And track this for each entity is costy)
- leave the data as they are and if some server communication fails add a top bar with a warning that the connection to server is lost and the data are old - maybe with some note when was the last successful connection. (this seems simple enough and my favorite but still not convinced I like it…)
how about greying out the outdated data a little, after some period?
This would require tracking of "last updated" timestamp for each tracked entity and as Tomas mentioned this would be somewhat costly (but maybe not prohibitively).
My suggestion would probably be a single global timestamp (last successful request) and have this displayed *always* as a little non-obtrusive footer in each activity.
not sure how much non-obtrusive it will be if it will be there all the time changing after each action you do...
In case a request fails we can make it more prominent (bigger and with cause of last error) so the user knows what is going on.
I would show it only when there is an error and show the specific error only after the user clicks it.
Having always readily available how old the data is will also serve as a simple check that the periodic refresh is working.
yeah, but this is useful for development and not so much for the user I'd say.
Any more ideas?
Thanx, Tomas
[1]: https://github.com/matobet/moVirt/issues/66 _______________________________________________ moVirt mailing list moVirt@ovirt.org http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/movirt
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