Re: [moVirt] Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin Polednik" <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
(adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt
1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get involved with moVirt. For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get soon a "monster machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. Ok, I can install ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? I don't even know how to configure browsing via the mobile device to my home network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is not a "strictly moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will ease others to start developing. I would like to know how I can start contributing to moVirt.
2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the technology? Native Java ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should encourage somehow others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc?
Cheers, Yair
Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :)
Oops, sorry for that.
1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, and may have plans to do more?
Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + router at home, how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected to the same router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see oVirt from mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It contains the sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some documentation on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But please make sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated on wiki - any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal consequences :D
Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access to the engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just need to fill the API URL, name and password. Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to have the CA cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the proper URL as stated in the cert. For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable HTTPS" - it will not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with IP) and without cert imported.
2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't being considered. Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular among server admin types? Not sure.
Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on blackberry :) Even the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - Martin? Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very insterested in porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very uncertain - not sure who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
Heya, I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've started designing the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were going with objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone only as the first iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile development overall is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or developing two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
What about porting of spice client to IOS?
there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of work porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC. And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in porting a console for it.
Ok, good to know.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin Polednik" <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
(adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > <gshereme@redhat.com> > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get involved > with > moVirt. > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get soon a > "monster > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. Ok, I > can > install > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the mobile device > to > my > home > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is not a > "strictly > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will ease others > to > start > developing. I would like to know how I can start contributing to > moVirt. > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the technology? > Native > Java > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should encourage > somehow > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc? > > > Cheers, > Yair > >
Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :)
Oops, sorry for that.
1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, and may have plans to do more?
Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + router at home, how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected to the same router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see oVirt from mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It contains the sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some documentation on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But please make sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated on wiki - any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal consequences :D
Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access to the engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just need to fill the API URL, name and password. Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to have the CA cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the proper URL as stated in the cert. For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable HTTPS" - it will not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with IP) and without cert imported.
2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't being considered. Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular among server admin types? Not sure.
Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on blackberry :) Even the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - Martin? Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very insterested in porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very uncertain - not sure who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
Heya, I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've started designing the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were going with objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone only as the first iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile development overall is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or developing two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
What about porting of spice client to IOS?
there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of work porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
Cool! I did not think about it :) Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in porting a console for it.
Ok, good to know.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin Polednik" <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
(adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > <doron@redhat.com>, > "sphoorti joglekar" > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > > <gshereme@redhat.com> > > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM > > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get involved > > with > > moVirt. > > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get soon a > > "monster > > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. Ok, I > > can > > install > > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? > > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the mobile > > device > > to > > my > > home > > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is not a > > "strictly > > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will ease > > others > > to > > start > > developing. I would like to know how I can start contributing > > to > > moVirt. > > > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the > > technology? > > Native > > Java > > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should encourage > > somehow > > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc? > > > > > > Cheers, > > Yair > > > > > > Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :)
Oops, sorry for that.
> > 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D > I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, and > may > have > plans > to do more?
Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + router at home, how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected to the same router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see oVirt from mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It contains the sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some documentation on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But please make sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated on wiki - any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal consequences :D
Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access to the engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just need to fill the API URL, name and password. Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to have the CA cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the proper URL as stated in the cert. For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable HTTPS" - it will not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with IP) and without cert imported.
> > 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't being > considered. > Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular among > server > admin types? Not sure.
Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on blackberry :) Even the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - Martin? Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very insterested in porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very uncertain - not sure who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
Heya, I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've started designing the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were going with objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone only as the first iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile development overall is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or developing two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
What about porting of spice client to IOS?
there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of work porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
Cool! I did not think about it :) Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients for iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us. But I would be very surprised if none...
And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in porting a console for it.
Ok, good to know. > > Greg >
Ok, so I'm waiting for some documentation on how I can start working on movirt - i.e - I'm at my other in law's house - we have DSL modem + wireless network at home. I have Galaxy note S4, linux machine + eclipse + android plugin. Now what? How can I "surf" from my mobile device to a local oVirt installation? Cheers, Yair ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39:14 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin Polednik" <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
(adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > <doron@redhat.com>, > "sphoorti joglekar" > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > > <doron@redhat.com>, > > "sphoorti joglekar" > > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > > > <gshereme@redhat.com> > > > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM > > > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get > > > involved > > > with > > > moVirt. > > > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get soon > > > a > > > "monster > > > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. Ok, > > > I > > > can > > > install > > > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? > > > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the mobile > > > device > > > to > > > my > > > home > > > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is not a > > > "strictly > > > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will ease > > > others > > > to > > > start > > > developing. I would like to know how I can start contributing > > > to > > > moVirt. > > > > > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the > > > technology? > > > Native > > > Java > > > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should > > > encourage > > > somehow > > > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc? > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Yair > > > > > > > > > > Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :) > > Oops, sorry for that. > > > > > 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D > > I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, and > > may > > have > > plans > > to do more? > > Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + router > at > home, > how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected to the same router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see oVirt from mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It contains the sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some documentation on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But please make sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated on wiki - any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal consequences :D
Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access to the engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just need to fill the API URL, name and password. Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to have the CA cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the proper URL as stated in the cert. For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable HTTPS" - it will not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with IP) and without cert imported.
> > > > > > 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't > > being > > considered. > > Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular > > among > > server > > admin types? Not sure.
Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on blackberry :) Even the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - Martin? Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very insterested in porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very uncertain - not sure who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
Heya, I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've started designing the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were going with objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone only as the first iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile development overall is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or developing two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
What about porting of spice client to IOS?
there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of work porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
Cool! I did not think about it :) Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients for iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us. But I would be very surprised if none...
And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in porting a console for it.
> > Ok, good to know. > > > > Greg > > >
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:50:31 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
Ok, so I'm waiting for some documentation on how I can start working on movirt
good start is this - a step by step how to setup the devel env: https://github.com/matobet/movirt
- i.e - I'm at my other in law's house - we have DSL modem + wireless network at home. I have Galaxy note S4, linux machine
this is fine
+ eclipse + android plugin. Now what?
this is not :) eclipse has been pretty much abandoned by google and setting up the devel env in it is somewhere in between impossible and totally impossible. Just follow the description from the page above - you need the http://tools.android.com/download/studio/canary/1-0-0 Than you can use this IDE to either open an emulator of the android device (if you have strong machine it is fine) or you can connect your phone using USB to the machine and deploy movirt to it directly (it supports also remote debug, logs etc).
How can I "surf" from my mobile device to a local oVirt installation?
so, if the machine with ovirt is connected to the wifi router and your mobile is connected to the same router, you are on the same network. So lets say the engine's ip is: 192.169.122.2 and it is listening on https, than in movirt in settings page fill something like this: https://192.169.122.2:443/ovirt-engine/api and in the same settings pick "Disable HTTPS" to avoid to play with the certs. Tomas
Cheers, Yair
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39:14 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" > <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, > "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin > Polednik" > <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > (adding martin and movirt list - rest inline) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > > <doron@redhat.com>, > > "sphoorti joglekar" > > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > > > <doron@redhat.com>, > > > "sphoorti joglekar" > > > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > > > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > > > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > > > > <gshereme@redhat.com> > > > > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM > > > > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > > > > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get > > > > involved > > > > with > > > > moVirt. > > > > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get > > > > soon > > > > a > > > > "monster > > > > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. > > > > Ok, > > > > I > > > > can > > > > install > > > > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? > > > > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the mobile > > > > device > > > > to > > > > my > > > > home > > > > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is not > > > > a > > > > "strictly > > > > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will ease > > > > others > > > > to > > > > start > > > > developing. I would like to know how I can start > > > > contributing > > > > to > > > > moVirt. > > > > > > > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the > > > > technology? > > > > Native > > > > Java > > > > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should > > > > encourage > > > > somehow > > > > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Yair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :) > > > > Oops, sorry for that. > > > > > > > > 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D > > > I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, > > > and > > > may > > > have > > > plans > > > to do more? > > > > Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + > > router > > at > > home, > > how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation? > > Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected to > the > same > router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see > oVirt > from > mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one. > > On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It > contains > the > sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some > documentation > on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. > Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But > please > make > sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated > on > wiki > - > any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal > consequences > :D > > Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access to > the > engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just > need > to > fill > the API URL, name and password. > Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to > have > the > CA > cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the proper > URL > as > stated in the cert. > For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable HTTPS" > - > it > will > not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with > IP) > and > without cert imported. > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't > > > being > > > considered. > > > Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular > > > among > > > server > > > admin types? Not sure. > > Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on > blackberry > :) > Even > the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) > Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - > Martin? > Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very > insterested > in > porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very uncertain > - > not > sure > who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
Heya, I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've started designing the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were going with objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone only as the first iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile development overall is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or developing two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
What about porting of spice client to IOS?
there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of work porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
Cool! I did not think about it :) Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients for iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us. But I would be very surprised if none...
And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in porting a console for it.
> > > > Ok, good to know. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > >
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:05:47 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:50:31 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
Ok, so I'm waiting for some documentation on how I can start working on movirt
good start is this - a step by step how to setup the devel env: https://github.com/matobet/movirt
- i.e - I'm at my other in law's house - we have DSL modem + wireless network at home. I have Galaxy note S4, linux machine
this is fine
+ eclipse + android plugin. Now what?
this is not :) eclipse has been pretty much abandoned by google and setting up the devel env in it is somewhere in between impossible and totally impossible. Just follow the description from the page above - you need the http://tools.android.com/download/studio/canary/1-0-0
Than you can use this IDE to either open an emulator of the android device (if you have strong machine it is fine) or you can connect your phone using USB to the machine and deploy movirt to it directly (it supports also remote debug, logs etc).
How can I "surf" from my mobile device to a local oVirt installation?
so, if the machine with ovirt is connected to the wifi router and your mobile is connected to the same router, you are on the same network. So lets say the engine's ip is: 192.169.122.2 and it is listening on https, than in movirt in settings page fill something like this: https://192.169.122.2:443/ovirt-engine/api and in the same settings pick "Disable HTTPS" to avoid to play with the certs.
Tomas
I feel so ashamed now :) I should have realized by myself about the surfing part. This is similar to how my engine connects to my host at home :)
Cheers, Yair
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39:14 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> > To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> > Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" > <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, > "sphoorti > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, > movirt@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" > > <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, > > "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin > > Polednik" > > <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > (adding martin and movirt list - rest inline) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > > > <doron@redhat.com>, > > > "sphoorti joglekar" > > > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > > > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > > > > <doron@redhat.com>, > > > > "sphoorti joglekar" > > > > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > > > > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > > > > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > > > > > <gshereme@redhat.com> > > > > > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM > > > > > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > > > > > > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get > > > > > involved > > > > > with > > > > > moVirt. > > > > > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get > > > > > soon > > > > > a > > > > > "monster > > > > > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. > > > > > Ok, > > > > > I > > > > > can > > > > > install > > > > > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? > > > > > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the > > > > > mobile > > > > > device > > > > > to > > > > > my > > > > > home > > > > > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is > > > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > "strictly > > > > > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will > > > > > ease > > > > > others > > > > > to > > > > > start > > > > > developing. I would like to know how I can start > > > > > contributing > > > > > to > > > > > moVirt. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the > > > > > technology? > > > > > Native > > > > > Java > > > > > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should > > > > > encourage > > > > > somehow > > > > > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Yair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :) > > > > > > Oops, sorry for that. > > > > > > > > > > > 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D > > > > I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, > > > > and > > > > may > > > > have > > > > plans > > > > to do more? > > > > > > Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + > > > router > > > at > > > home, > > > how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation? > > > > Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected > > to > > the > > same > > router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see > > oVirt > > from > > mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one. > > > > On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It > > contains > > the > > sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some > > documentation > > on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. > > Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But > > please > > make > > sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated > > on > > wiki > > - > > any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal > > consequences > > :D > > > > Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access > > to > > the > > engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just > > need > > to > > fill > > the API URL, name and password. > > Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to > > have > > the > > CA > > cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the > > proper > > URL > > as > > stated in the cert. > > For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable > > HTTPS" > > - > > it > > will > > not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with > > IP) > > and > > without cert imported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't > > > > being > > > > considered. > > > > Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular > > > > among > > > > server > > > > admin types? Not sure. > > > > Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on > > blackberry > > :) > > Even > > the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) > > Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - > > Martin? > > Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very > > insterested > > in > > porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very > > uncertain > > - > > not > > sure > > who could lead her and not sure about funding etc... > > Heya, > I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've > started > designing > the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were > going > with > objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone > only > as > the > first > iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible. > > But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile > development > overall > is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or > developing > two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
What about porting of spice client to IOS?
there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of work porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
Cool! I did not think about it :) Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients for iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us. But I would be very surprised if none...
And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in porting a console for it.
> > > > > > > Ok, good to know. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > >
Any reason not to take this thread to devel@ovirt.org? On 10/02/15 11:01, Yair Zaslavsky wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:05:47 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:50:31 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
Ok, so I'm waiting for some documentation on how I can start working on movirt
good start is this - a step by step how to setup the devel env: https://github.com/matobet/movirt
- i.e - I'm at my other in law's house - we have DSL modem + wireless network at home. I have Galaxy note S4, linux machine
this is fine
+ eclipse + android plugin. Now what?
this is not :) eclipse has been pretty much abandoned by google and setting up the devel env in it is somewhere in between impossible and totally impossible. Just follow the description from the page above - you need the http://tools.android.com/download/studio/canary/1-0-0
Than you can use this IDE to either open an emulator of the android device (if you have strong machine it is fine) or you can connect your phone using USB to the machine and deploy movirt to it directly (it supports also remote debug, logs etc).
How can I "surf" from my mobile device to a local oVirt installation?
so, if the machine with ovirt is connected to the wifi router and your mobile is connected to the same router, you are on the same network. So lets say the engine's ip is: 192.169.122.2 and it is listening on https, than in movirt in settings page fill something like this: https://192.169.122.2:443/ovirt-engine/api and in the same settings pick "Disable HTTPS" to avoid to play with the certs.
Tomas
I feel so ashamed now :) I should have realized by myself about the surfing part. This is similar to how my engine connects to my host at home :)
Cheers, Yair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39:14 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
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From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> > Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" > <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, > movirt@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> >> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> >> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" >> <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" >> <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, >> "sphoorti >> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, >> movirt@ovirt.org >> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM >> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> >>> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >>> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" >>> <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, >>> "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin >>> Polednik" >>> <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org >>> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >>> >>> (adding martin and movirt list - rest inline) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >>>> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> >>>> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" >>>> <doron@redhat.com>, >>>> "sphoorti joglekar" >>>> <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" >>>> <tjelinek@redhat.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> >>>>> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >>>>> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" >>>>> <doron@redhat.com>, >>>>> "sphoorti joglekar" >>>>> <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" >>>>> <tjelinek@redhat.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >>>>>> To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" >>>>>> <gshereme@redhat.com> >>>>>> Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM >>>>>> Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get >>>>>> involved >>>>>> with >>>>>> moVirt. >>>>>> For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get >>>>>> soon >>>>>> a >>>>>> "monster >>>>>> machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. >>>>>> Ok, >>>>>> I >>>>>> can >>>>>> install >>>>>> ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? >>>>>> I don't even know how to configure browsing via the >>>>>> mobile >>>>>> device >>>>>> to >>>>>> my >>>>>> home >>>>>> network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is >>>>>> not >>>>>> a >>>>>> "strictly >>>>>> moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will >>>>>> ease >>>>>> others >>>>>> to >>>>>> start >>>>>> developing. I would like to know how I can start >>>>>> contributing >>>>>> to >>>>>> moVirt. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the >>>>>> technology? >>>>>> Native >>>>>> Java >>>>>> ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should >>>>>> encourage >>>>>> somehow >>>>>> others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Yair >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :) >>>> >>>> Oops, sorry for that. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D >>>>> I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, >>>>> and >>>>> may >>>>> have >>>>> plans >>>>> to do more? >>>> >>>> Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + >>>> router >>>> at >>>> home, >>>> how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation? >>> >>> Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected >>> to >>> the >>> same >>> router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see >>> oVirt >>> from >>> mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one. >>> >>> On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It >>> contains >>> the >>> sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some >>> documentation >>> on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. >>> Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But >>> please >>> make >>> sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated >>> on >>> wiki >>> - >>> any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal >>> consequences >>> :D >>> >>> Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access >>> to >>> the >>> engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just >>> need >>> to >>> fill >>> the API URL, name and password. >>> Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to >>> have >>> the >>> CA >>> cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the >>> proper >>> URL >>> as >>> stated in the cert. >>> For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable >>> HTTPS" >>> - >>> it >>> will >>> not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with >>> IP) >>> and >>> without cert imported. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't >>>>> being >>>>> considered. >>>>> Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular >>>>> among >>>>> server >>>>> admin types? Not sure. >>> >>> Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on >>> blackberry >>> :) >>> Even >>> the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) >>> Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - >>> Martin? >>> Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very >>> insterested >>> in >>> porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very >>> uncertain >>> - >>> not >>> sure >>> who could lead her and not sure about funding etc... >> >> Heya, >> I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've >> started >> designing >> the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were >> going >> with >> objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone >> only >> as >> the >> first >> iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible. >> >> But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile >> development >> overall >> is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or >> developing >> two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :) > > What about porting of spice client to IOS?
there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of work porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
Cool! I did not think about it :) Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients for iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us. But I would be very surprised if none...
And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in porting a console for it.
> >> >>>> >>>> Ok, good to know. >>>>> >>>>> Greg >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
moving the thread to devel@ovirt.org and changing the subject ----- Original Message -----
From: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org, "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:51:04 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
Any reason not to take this thread to devel@ovirt.org?
no reason - moving
On 10/02/15 11:01, Yair Zaslavsky wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:05:47 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:50:31 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
Ok, so I'm waiting for some documentation on how I can start working on movirt
good start is this - a step by step how to setup the devel env: https://github.com/matobet/movirt
- i.e - I'm at my other in law's house - we have DSL modem + wireless network at home. I have Galaxy note S4, linux machine
this is fine
+ eclipse + android plugin. Now what?
this is not :) eclipse has been pretty much abandoned by google and setting up the devel env in it is somewhere in between impossible and totally impossible. Just follow the description from the page above - you need the http://tools.android.com/download/studio/canary/1-0-0
Than you can use this IDE to either open an emulator of the android device (if you have strong machine it is fine) or you can connect your phone using USB to the machine and deploy movirt to it directly (it supports also remote debug, logs etc).
How can I "surf" from my mobile device to a local oVirt installation?
so, if the machine with ovirt is connected to the wifi router and your mobile is connected to the same router, you are on the same network. So lets say the engine's ip is: 192.169.122.2 and it is listening on https, than in movirt in settings page fill something like this: https://192.169.122.2:443/ovirt-engine/api and in the same settings pick "Disable HTTPS" to avoid to play with the certs.
Tomas
I feel so ashamed now :) I should have realized by myself about the surfing part. This is similar to how my engine connects to my host at home :)
Cheers, Yair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39:14 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" > <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, > movirt@ovirt.org > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >> To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> >> Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" >> <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" >> <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti >> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, >> movirt@ovirt.org >> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM >> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik@redhat.com> >>> To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> >>> Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" >>> <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" >>> <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, >>> "sphoorti >>> joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, >>> movirt@ovirt.org >>> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> >>>> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >>>> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" >>>> <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, >>>> "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin >>>> Polednik" >>>> <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org >>>> Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >>>> >>>> (adding martin and movirt list - rest inline) >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >>>>> To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> >>>>> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" >>>>> <doron@redhat.com>, >>>>> "sphoorti joglekar" >>>>> <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" >>>>> <tjelinek@redhat.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> >>>>>> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >>>>>> Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" >>>>>> <doron@redhat.com>, >>>>>> "sphoorti joglekar" >>>>>> <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" >>>>>> <tjelinek@redhat.com> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> >>>>>>> To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" >>>>>>> <gshereme@redhat.com> >>>>>>> Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get >>>>>>> involved >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> moVirt. >>>>>>> For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get >>>>>>> soon >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> "monster >>>>>>> machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. >>>>>>> Ok, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> install >>>>>>> ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? >>>>>>> I don't even know how to configure browsing via the >>>>>>> mobile >>>>>>> device >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> home >>>>>>> network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> "strictly >>>>>>> moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will >>>>>>> ease >>>>>>> others >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> start >>>>>>> developing. I would like to know how I can start >>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> moVirt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the >>>>>>> technology? >>>>>>> Native >>>>>>> Java >>>>>>> ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should >>>>>>> encourage >>>>>>> somehow >>>>>>> others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Yair >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :) >>>>> >>>>> Oops, sorry for that. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D >>>>>> I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, >>>>>> and >>>>>> may >>>>>> have >>>>>> plans >>>>>> to do more? >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + >>>>> router >>>>> at >>>>> home, >>>>> how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation? >>>> >>>> Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected >>>> to >>>> the >>>> same >>>> router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see >>>> oVirt >>>> from >>>> mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one. >>>> >>>> On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It >>>> contains >>>> the >>>> sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some >>>> documentation >>>> on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. >>>> Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But >>>> please >>>> make >>>> sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated >>>> on >>>> wiki >>>> - >>>> any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal >>>> consequences >>>> :D >>>> >>>> Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access >>>> to >>>> the >>>> engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just >>>> need >>>> to >>>> fill >>>> the API URL, name and password. >>>> Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to >>>> have >>>> the >>>> CA >>>> cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the >>>> proper >>>> URL >>>> as >>>> stated in the cert. >>>> For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable >>>> HTTPS" >>>> - >>>> it >>>> will >>>> not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with >>>> IP) >>>> and >>>> without cert imported. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't >>>>>> being >>>>>> considered. >>>>>> Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular >>>>>> among >>>>>> server >>>>>> admin types? Not sure. >>>> >>>> Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on >>>> blackberry >>>> :) >>>> Even >>>> the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) >>>> Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - >>>> Martin? >>>> Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very >>>> insterested >>>> in >>>> porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very >>>> uncertain >>>> - >>>> not >>>> sure >>>> who could lead her and not sure about funding etc... >>> >>> Heya, >>> I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've >>> started >>> designing >>> the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were >>> going >>> with >>> objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone >>> only >>> as >>> the >>> first >>> iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible. >>> >>> But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile >>> development >>> overall >>> is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or >>> developing >>> two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :) >> >> What about porting of spice client to IOS? > > there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot > of > work > porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
Cool! I did not think about it :) Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients for iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us. But I would be very surprised if none...
> And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point > in > porting a console for it. > >> >>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok, good to know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek@redhat.com> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com>, "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Martin Polednik" <mpoledni@redhat.com>, movirt@ovirt.org Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
(adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > <doron@redhat.com>, > "sphoorti joglekar" > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme@redhat.com> > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" > > <doron@redhat.com>, > > "sphoorti joglekar" > > <sphoorti.joglekar@gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek" > > <tjelinek@redhat.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs@redhat.com> > > > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak@redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" > > > <gshereme@redhat.com> > > > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron@redhat.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM > > > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt > > > > > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get > > > involved > > > with > > > moVirt. > > > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get soon > > > a > > > "monster > > > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it. Ok, > > > I > > > can > > > install > > > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what? > > > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the mobile > > > device > > > to > > > my > > > home > > > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is not a > > > "strictly > > > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will ease > > > others > > > to > > > start > > > developing. I would like to know how I can start contributing > > > to > > > moVirt. > > > > > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the > > > technology? > > > Native > > > Java > > > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should > > > encourage > > > somehow > > > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc? > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Yair > > > > > > > > > > Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :) > > Oops, sorry for that. > > > > > 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D > > I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation, and > > may > > have > > plans > > to do more? > > Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem + router > at > home, > how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected to the same router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see oVirt from mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It contains the sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some documentation on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env. Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But please make sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated on wiki - any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal consequences :D
Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access to the engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just need to fill the API URL, name and password. Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to have the CA cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the proper URL as stated in the cert. For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable HTTPS" - it will not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with IP) and without cert imported.
> > > > > > 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't > > being > > considered. > > Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular > > among > > server > > admin types? Not sure.
Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on blackberry :) Even the devel env with debugger etc(!!!) Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure - Martin? Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very insterested in porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very uncertain - not sure who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
Heya, I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've started designing the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were going with objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone only as the first iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile development overall is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or developing two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
What about porting of spice client to IOS?
there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot of work porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
Cool! I did not think about it :) Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients for iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us. But I would be very surprised if none...
There are few, they work, but the best ones are >$20 so haven't tried those. I don't understand "usable for us" though, since we can only delegate the request to vnc:// to iOS, where users preferred client will be selected.
And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point in porting a console for it.
> > Ok, good to know. > > > > Greg > > >
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