[Engine-devel] [vdsm] Getting rid of arch at ovirt.org?

[Itamar Heim]

On 07/16/2012 09:56 AM, Livnat Peer wrote:
> On 16/07/12 09:41, Itamar Heim wrote:
>> On 07/16/2012 01:46 AM, Robert Middleswarth wrote:
>>> On 07/15/2012 03:59 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
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>>>>> On 07/15/2012 01:53 AM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for cross-posting, but in this case I think it's relevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The original idea was that every time we wish to discuss a new
>>>>>> cross-component feature we should do it over arch list. However, it
>>>>>> would appear that de-facto usually engine-devel and vdsm-devel are
>>>>>> being used (cross posted). Currently engine-devel has 211
>>>>>> subscribers, arch has 160 and vdsm-devel has 128 so from this
>>>>>> perspective again, arch seems less relevant. I propose we ditch
>>>>>> arch and keep the other 2 mailing lists. I'm not sure whether new
>>>>>> cross-component features should be discussed solely on engine-devel
>>>>>> or cross-posted (there are probably people who wouldn't care about
>>>>>> engine side but would still like to know about such changes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> - -1
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't normally read engine-devel and vdsm-devel, so I hadn't
>>>>> noticed
>>>>> that discussions I would expect to be on arch@ are not happening
>>>>> here.
>>>>> I'm probably not the only person in that situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this project were 100% about Engine and VDSM, then I could
>>>>> understand your reasoning. But we've already added a few new
>>>>> incubating projects, we have subsystem teams such as documentation
>>>>> and
>>>>> infrastructure, and we all need a single location where we know we
>>>>> can
>>>>> reach *all* contributors to this project.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we try to force all that discussion on to engine-devel, not
>>>>> everyone would be interested. There is enough on engine-devel that is
>>>>> not general interest that it would become noise (as it has for me, so
>>>>> I filter it) or people would drop it all together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps what we need to do is have the discipline to cross-post *all*
>>>>> general interest discussions from the project mailing list back to
>>>>> arch@? Enforce the rule that decisions that affect the whole project
>>>>> have to be ratified on arch@ instead of whatever project list the
>>>>> discussions started on? Strongly suggest that all contributors be on
>>>>> arch@ and announce@ as a minimum?
>>>> I find that anything that should go on arch would interest anyone on
>>>> the devel lists (as it is about new features, design, etc) so I
>>>> believe that arch should have at least everyone on engine-devel and
>>>> vdsm-devel.
>>>> However, right now this is not the case as is evident by number of
>>>> subs to each list (e.g. I haven't compared to see if everyone on arch
>>>> is on engine).
>>>> So imo something needs to be done.
>>>> I'm fine with keeping arch, but as you said, that means we need to
>>>> enforce it to be *the* list for feature discussions and I'm not
>>>> exactly sure how you'd go about doing that.
>>> Maybe arch needs renamed to make it clear what if is for?
>>>
>>> Maybe something simple like ovirt-devel to make it clear it is for
>>> generally ovirt development?
>>
>> we can simply make it arch include the other mailing lists, so sending
>> to arch would be sending to all other mailing lists.
>
> What would happen if someone reply on the engine-list to a mail
> originally sent to arch?
>
> wouldn't we end-up starting a thread on arch and then loosing it to one
> of the other lists?

reply-to is not set to reply-to-list, rather to original sender/cc list, 
so shouldn't be an issue

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>> wouldn't resolve the dupes, but will resolve need of everyone to
>> subscribe to it as well.
>> (for dupes i also use a mail filter to delete emails arriving from
>> engine-devel and cc other mailing list, etc.
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