[Engine-devel] [vdsm] Getting rid of arch at ovirt.org?

[Livnat Peer]

On 16/07/12 10:01, Itamar Heim wrote:
> On 07/16/2012 09:56 AM, Livnat Peer wrote:
>> On 16/07/12 09:41, Itamar Heim wrote:
>>> On 07/16/2012 01:46 AM, Robert Middleswarth wrote:
>>>> On 07/15/2012 03:59 PM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> On 07/15/2012 01:53 AM, Ayal Baron wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for cross-posting, but in this case I think it's relevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The original idea was that every time we wish to discuss a new
>>>>>>> cross-component feature we should do it over arch list. However, it
>>>>>>> would appear that de-facto usually engine-devel and vdsm-devel are
>>>>>>> being used (cross posted). Currently engine-devel has 211
>>>>>>> subscribers, arch has 160 and vdsm-devel has 128 so from this
>>>>>>> perspective again, arch seems less relevant. I propose we ditch
>>>>>>> arch and keep the other 2 mailing lists. I'm not sure whether new
>>>>>>> cross-component features should be discussed solely on engine-devel
>>>>>>> or cross-posted (there are probably people who wouldn't care about
>>>>>>> engine side but would still like to know about such changes).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>> - -1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't normally read engine-devel and vdsm-devel, so I hadn't
>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>> that discussions I would expect to be on arch@ are not happening
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>> I'm probably not the only person in that situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this project were 100% about Engine and VDSM, then I could
>>>>>> understand your reasoning. But we've already added a few new
>>>>>> incubating projects, we have subsystem teams such as documentation
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> infrastructure, and we all need a single location where we know we
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> reach *all* contributors to this project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we try to force all that discussion on to engine-devel, not
>>>>>> everyone would be interested. There is enough on engine-devel that is
>>>>>> not general interest that it would become noise (as it has for me, so
>>>>>> I filter it) or people would drop it all together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps what we need to do is have the discipline to cross-post *all*
>>>>>> general interest discussions from the project mailing list back to
>>>>>> arch@? Enforce the rule that decisions that affect the whole project
>>>>>> have to be ratified on arch@ instead of whatever project list the
>>>>>> discussions started on? Strongly suggest that all contributors be on
>>>>>> arch@ and announce@ as a minimum?
>>>>> I find that anything that should go on arch would interest anyone on
>>>>> the devel lists (as it is about new features, design, etc) so I
>>>>> believe that arch should have at least everyone on engine-devel and
>>>>> vdsm-devel.
>>>>> However, right now this is not the case as is evident by number of
>>>>> subs to each list (e.g. I haven't compared to see if everyone on arch
>>>>> is on engine).
>>>>> So imo something needs to be done.
>>>>> I'm fine with keeping arch, but as you said, that means we need to
>>>>> enforce it to be *the* list for feature discussions and I'm not
>>>>> exactly sure how you'd go about doing that.
>>>> Maybe arch needs renamed to make it clear what if is for?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe something simple like ovirt-devel to make it clear it is for
>>>> generally ovirt development?
>>>
>>> we can simply make it arch include the other mailing lists, so sending
>>> to arch would be sending to all other mailing lists.
>>
>> What would happen if someone reply on the engine-list to a mail
>> originally sent to arch?
>>
>> wouldn't we end-up starting a thread on arch and then loosing it to one
>> of the other lists?
> 
> reply-to is not set to reply-to-list, rather to original sender/cc list,
> so shouldn't be an issue
> 

ok so if reply to such mail de-facto I'll send a mail to the arch list -
shouldn't I be register to the arch list (or I need someone to approve
the mail)?


>>
>>
>>> wouldn't resolve the dupes, but will resolve need of everyone to
>>> subscribe to it as well.
>>> (for dupes i also use a mail filter to delete emails arriving from
>>> engine-devel and cc other mailing list, etc.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Arch mailing list
>>> Arch at ovirt.org
>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/arch
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