[moVirt] Some thoughts about moVirt

Tue Feb 10 09:01:27 UTC 2015

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> movirt at ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:05:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > movirt at ovirt.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 8:50:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > 
> > Ok, so I'm waiting for some documentation on how I can start working on
> > movirt
> 
> good start is this - a step by step how to setup the devel env:
> https://github.com/matobet/movirt
> 
> > - i.e - I'm at my other in law's house - we have DSL modem  +
> > wireless network at home.
> > I have Galaxy note S4, linux machine
> 
> this is fine
> 
> > + eclipse  + android plugin. Now what?
> 
> this is not :) eclipse has been pretty much abandoned by google and setting
> up the devel env in it is somewhere in between impossible and totally
> impossible.
> Just follow the description from the page above - you need the
> http://tools.android.com/download/studio/canary/1-0-0
> 
> Than you can use this IDE to either open an emulator of the android device
> (if you have strong machine it is fine) or you can connect your phone using
> USB to the machine and
> deploy movirt to it directly (it supports also remote debug, logs etc).
> 
> > How can I "surf" from my mobile device to a local oVirt installation?
> 
> so, if the machine with ovirt is connected to the wifi router and your mobile
> is connected to the same router, you are on the same network. So lets say
> the engine's ip is:
> 192.169.122.2
> and it is listening on https, than in movirt in settings page fill something
> like this:
> https://192.169.122.2:443/ovirt-engine/api
> and in the same settings pick "Disable HTTPS" to avoid to play with the
> certs.
> 
> Tomas

I feel so ashamed now :) I should have realized by myself about the surfing part. This is similar to how my engine connects to my host at home :)

> 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Yair
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39:14 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:21:18 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > Cc: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:56:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > To: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>
> > > > > > Cc: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>, "sphoorti
> > > > > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > > > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 2:31:08 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Martin Polednik" <mpolednik at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > > "sphoorti
> > > > > > > joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>,
> > > > > > > movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:58:36 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Tomas Jelinek" <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > Cc: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>, "Martin Betak"
> > > > > > > > <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > > > "sphoorti joglekar" <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Martin
> > > > > > > > Polednik"
> > > > > > > > <mpoledni at redhat.com>, movirt at ovirt.org
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 8:03:19 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (adding martin and movirt list - rest inline)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> > > > > > > > > <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > > > > "sphoorti joglekar"
> > > > > > > > > <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
> > > > > > > > > <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 3:37:46 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Greg Sheremeta" <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Doron Fediuck"
> > > > > > > > > > <doron at redhat.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > "sphoorti joglekar"
> > > > > > > > > > <sphoorti.joglekar at gmail.com>, "Tomas Jelinek"
> > > > > > > > > > <tjelinek at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 4:27:22 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "Yair Zaslavsky" <yzaslavs at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: "Martin Betak" <mbetak at redhat.com>, "Greg Sheremeta"
> > > > > > > > > > > <gshereme at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: "Doron Fediuck" <doron at redhat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:12:20 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Some thoughts about moVirt
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. I will be glad to see a wiki page on how I can get
> > > > > > > > > > > involved
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > moVirt.
> > > > > > > > > > > For example, I have a new galaxy note4 phone. I will get
> > > > > > > > > > > soon
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > "monster
> > > > > > > > > > > machine" with 16 gigs, and some SSD, and 1 TB disk on it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Ok,
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > install
> > > > > > > > > > > ovirt all-in-one on it, now what?
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't even know how to configure browsing via the
> > > > > > > > > > > mobile
> > > > > > > > > > > device
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > home
> > > > > > > > > > > network (i.e - access my mahcine) - yes, i know this is
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > "strictly
> > > > > > > > > > > moVirt" problem, but if you provide this info it will
> > > > > > > > > > > ease
> > > > > > > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > > > developing. I would like to know how I can start
> > > > > > > > > > > contributing
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > moVirt.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Maybe I missed it - what is the decision about the
> > > > > > > > > > > technology?
> > > > > > > > > > > Native
> > > > > > > > > > > Java
> > > > > > > > > > > ? Cordova? Something else? If native, maybe we should
> > > > > > > > > > > encourage
> > > > > > > > > > > somehow
> > > > > > > > > > > others to start porting to IOS/ Windows Phone, etc?
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > Yair
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Adding Sphoorti and Tomas, as they are running this show :)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Oops, sorry for that.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 1. 16 GB is not "monster" -- better put 32 or 64 in it :D
> > > > > > > > > > I think Sphoorti has already worked on some documentation,
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > plans
> > > > > > > > > > to do more?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Yeah, so as I wrote down, if I have let's say some modem +
> > > > > > > > > router
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > home,
> > > > > > > > > how can I work against my "all-in-one" ovirt installation?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Well, if both your phone and your monster machine is connected
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > router you are both on the same network. So if you can not see
> > > > > > > > oVirt
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > mobile, there is some problem with firewall on the all-in-one.
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > On https://github.com/matobet/moVirt is the project page. It
> > > > > > > > contains
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > sources, an unsigned build you can install to play with, some
> > > > > > > > documentation
> > > > > > > > on how to setup movirt and also how to setup the devel env.
> > > > > > > > Ping us all the time if you have any issues setting it up. But
> > > > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > > sure you are using exactly the versions of everything as stated
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > wiki
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > any change in gradle or android-studio can have fatal
> > > > > > > > consequences
> > > > > > > > :D
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Connecting to your environment - well, you need to have access
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > engine's REST API from your phone. Than in the moVirt you just
> > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > fill
> > > > > > > > the API URL, name and password.
> > > > > > > > Connecting securely using https is a bit tricky - you need to
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > CA
> > > > > > > > cert imported to your phone and connect to REST using the
> > > > > > > > proper
> > > > > > > > URL
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > stated in the cert.
> > > > > > > > For devel env you can use the HTTPS and pick the "Disable
> > > > > > > > HTTPS"
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > not check the cert and will work without proper url (e.g. with
> > > > > > > > IP)
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > without cert imported.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 2. The decision was native Java. For now, afaik, iOS isn't
> > > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > considered.
> > > > > > > > > > Windows Phone is not popular, but it might be more popular
> > > > > > > > > > among
> > > > > > > > > > server
> > > > > > > > > > admin types? Not sure.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Currently Android and surprisingly it works nice as-is on
> > > > > > > > blackberry
> > > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > > Even
> > > > > > > > the devel env with debugger etc(!!!)
> > > > > > > > Martin (Polednik) was considering to port it to iOS, not sure -
> > > > > > > > Martin?
> > > > > > > > Also a friend of Sphoorti (the current OPW intern) is very
> > > > > > > > insterested
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > porting it to iOS as a different OPW. But this is very
> > > > > > > > uncertain
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > > who could lead her and not sure about funding etc...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Heya,
> > > > > > > I'm looking into building native iOS oVirt app, so far I've
> > > > > > > started
> > > > > > > designing
> > > > > > > the storyboard (UI) and interaction. Some of the decisions were
> > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > objective-C (due to internal hate for swift) and going iPhone
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > iteration target in order to get the UI as iOSy as possible.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But I have to admit that my experience with iOS or mobile
> > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > overall
> > > > > > > is quite limited, so I see no issues with either joint efforts or
> > > > > > > developing
> > > > > > > two apps and seeing which one is more suited for iVirt. :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What about porting of spice client to IOS?
> > > > > 
> > > > > there are issues even on android with it :) I'd say it would be a lot
> > > > > of
> > > > > work
> > > > > porting it for not too much gain - we have the option of VNC.
> > > > 
> > > > Cool! I did not think about it :)
> > > > Is there a VNC project for IOS that can be used? has anyone checked?
> > > 
> > > Honestly not :) I have only googled it and there are tons of VNC clients
> > > for
> > > iOS so I hope some of them are usable for us.
> > > But I would be very surprised if none...
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > And until we don't have the client itself, I don't see too much point
> > > > > in
> > > > > porting a console for it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Ok, good to know.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Greg
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