[Users] Can oVirt be installed in a virtual machine?

Itamar Heim iheim at redhat.com
Sat Oct 6 20:12:48 UTC 2012


On 10/06/2012 09:48 PM, Nicolas Chenier wrote:
> Are there any issues running oVirt at a remote location than the
> oVirt-node machines?
>
> I have a site-to-site VPN, ovirt-node machines at one end and an ovirt
> machine at the other.
>
> Is there a lot of traffic (bandwidth) use between ovirt and ovirt-node
> machines? My iSCSI NAS is with my ovirt-node machines.
>
> I have 10mbit down and 1 mbit up at my remote site running the ovirt
> server... my ovirt-nodes and nas are at a colocation centre.

we have deployments running a manager on one site and nodes on the other 
site.
i recommend checking the traffic bandwidth for your case.
the node traffic is mainly affected by number of VMs per node, unless 
you have a large number of VMs per node you should be fine.
(we do need to optimize the traffic between nodes to engine a bit)

>
> Much appreciated!
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Keith Robertson <kroberts at redhat.com
> <mailto:kroberts at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 09/22/2012 05:35 PM, Nicolas Chenier wrote:
>>     *Question 1 - if oVirt goes down... do the ovirt-nodes and VMs
>>     remain up?* Can someone answer this please? :-)
>     If the oVirt manager (ie. the web application running inside AS7)
>     loses connectivity to the node, the VM's on that node will keep
>     running.  You should know; however, that the general design is for
>     the manager to remain in contact with the nodes.
>>
>>     Due to budget and space constraints, I currently have 2 servers total.
>>
>>     What if I did the following:
>>
>>     Server 1) Fedora 17 with KVM/Virt-manager... running oVirt as a VM
>>     (through virt-manager) off the iSCSI NAS.
>     Fine
>
>>     Server 2) oVirt-node machine - one and only host machine for oVirt
>>     running on Server 1).
>     Again fine.
>
>>
>>     With this setup I can run VMs from iSCSI on oVirt-node Server 2).
>     Yes, nearly identical to my setup.
>
>>
>>     In the event that oVirt-node Server 2) goes down... is anything
>>     stopping me from setting up my VMs on Server 1) with the iSCSI
>>     storage from the NAS and run my VMs without oVirt through
>>     virt-manager?
>     Yes, I don't think that will work out of the box.  It could probably
>     be done but it would require some manual steps.
>
>>
>>     This would give me some form of redundancy (requiring manual
>>     intervention) in the event that my ovirt-node went down... is this
>>     a feasible setup?
>     See previous comment.
>
>>
>>     To make it even more redundant, maybe I should do the following
>>     with Server 2)
>>
>>     Install Fedora 17 with KVM/Virt-Manager, and VDSM... in the event
>>     that Server 1) fails... I can run my VMs on Server 2) through
>>     virt-manager?
>>
>>     Should I just drop oVirt for now and run virt-manager on my 2
>>     hosts, moving VMs manually (as they are running off iSCSI NAS) if
>>     a host fails? <tear>
>     It depends on what you are trying to do.  oVirt and virt-manager
>     solve different problems.  I would say that virt-manager is probably
>     OK for a small setup, but I wouldn't deploy an enterprise solution
>     around it.
>
>     You have enough gear for a small oVirt setup.  Run with that and add
>     more nodes as you can.  My 2c.
>
>>
>>     Thank you,
>>
>>     Nic
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Keith Robertson
>>     <kroberts at redhat.com <mailto:kroberts at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         On 09/22/2012 02:28 PM, Nicolas Chenier wrote:
>>>         Question - if oVirt goes down... do the ovirt-nodes and VMs
>>>         remain up?
>>>
>>>
>>>         Keith, how would you set yourself up with these specs:
>>>
>>>         2 host servers (quad-core xeons with 32gigs of ram)
>>         Are you saying that you only have 2 machines in total, or that
>>         you have 2 machines that can be dedicated hypervisors (ie.
>>         ovirt-node) and a third machine that can be a dedicated manager?
>>
>>         If the former then one machine must run some version of *nix
>>         compatible with oVirt Manager and, the other machine in this
>>         scenario can simply run ovirt-node.
>>
>>         If the latter, then you have 1 box dedicated as a manager and
>>         2 boxes as dedicated hypervisors.  This is a fairly basic/good
>>         setup.
>>>         1 iSCSI NAS
>>>
>>>         Starting to think there is no way to achieve HA with this setup?
>>         Not with only 2 boxes.  No.
>>
>>>         oVirt requires a dedicated machine?
>>         Generally, speaking.  Yes.
>>
>>         Truly HA setups aren't cheap and people often have different
>>         ideas of what constitutes HA.  Offhand I would think that you
>>         would need...
>>
>>         - 2 boxes for the oVirt manager
>>         - Clustering software for the manager to facilitate an
>>         active/passive setup.
>>         - UPSs (at *least* 2) which can be controlled by clustering
>>         software.  Why?  Most clustering SW require a fence device.
>>         These will be your fence devices.
>>         - 2 boxes for your hypervisors (ie. ovirt-nodes).  This will
>>         facilitate fail-over from one node to the other.
>>
>>         HA isn't cheap and can't usually be done on 2 boxes, IMO
>>         unless you're failing over a single app.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>         Thank you!
>>>
>>>         Nic
>>>
>>>         PS. Could oVirt be integrated into ovirt-node on every server?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Keith Robertson
>>>         <kroberts at redhat.com <mailto:kroberts at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             On 09/22/2012 01:09 PM, Nicolas Chenier wrote:
>>>>             Hi Alan,
>>>>
>>>>             I have oVirt running in a VM off my Desktop (Fedora 17
>>>>             w/ KVM & Virt-Manager) off my iSCSI NAS.
>>>>
>>>>             I've attached Server #1 as my first host (it's running
>>>>             ovirt-node).
>>>>
>>>>             In the process of setting up my storage domains. I have
>>>>             a few questions to the experts out there:
>>>>
>>>>             1) How do I add my CD .ISOs to setup new VMs? Create
>>>>             iSCSI storage domain? But then how do I copy my ISOs to it?
>>>             Create an ISO storage domain and use the
>>>             ovirt-iso-uploader to add your ISOs and .vfd files into
>>>             that domain.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>             2) Can I run my oVirt VM from ovirt-node machine,
>>>>             without running it in oVirt (ie. setup iSCSI in
>>>>             virt-manager (as it is now) and run oVirt from
>>>>             virt-manager... then I can manage my hosts through that
>>>>             ovirt VM?
>>>             Huh?  You could run the oVirt Manager from a VM managed
>>>             by virt-manager... yes.  Running the oVirt manager inside
>>>             a VM on a hypervisor (ie. ovirt-node) controlled by that
>>>             same manager isn't supported AFAIK because the mgr. could
>>>             get fenced.
>>>
>>>             To summarize, you can pretty much run the oVirt manager
>>>             on any supported OS as long as that OS instance isn't
>>>             running on a hypervisor (ie. ovirt-node) controlled by
>>>             *that* manager.
>>>
>>>             If you haven't noticed the vocabulary to describe the
>>>             various components can get a little confusing. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Not sure if I'm making myself clear... but I'm making
>>>>             progress. I think as long as you are not managing your
>>>>             oVirt vm through oVirt itself, the solution should work
>>>>             fine! Just trying to see if I can get that done on an
>>>>             ovirt-node machine...
>>>>
>>>>             Thank you,
>>>>
>>>>             Nic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Alan Johnson
>>>>             <alan at datdec.com <mailto:alan at datdec.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Nicolas Chenier
>>>>                 <dascope at gmail.com <mailto:dascope at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     I was under the impression that my oVirt VM
>>>>                     would show up in oVirt and that I could manage
>>>>                     it through there...
>>>>                     What you're saying is that I should just run it
>>>>                     seperatly and not manage it with itself (oVirt)?
>>>>                     keep it on my shared storage so that I can run
>>>>                     it off any of the 2 servers? But not manage it
>>>>                     with oVirt (itself). I think I'm starting to get
>>>>                     it now...
>>>>                     I really appreciate your help!
>>>>                     Nic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Nic, how did you make out with this?  I'm looking to
>>>>                 do the same thing and am wondering if there is any
>>>>                 risk in running the engine on a VM managed by the
>>>>                 same engine, as you were suggesting before.  Did you
>>>>                 give this a shot?
>>>>
>>>>                 Itamar, why did you steer Nic away from this?
>>>>
>>>>                 _______________
>>>>                 Alan Johnson
>>>>                 alan at datdec.com <mailto:alan at datdec.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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