[Users] Can oVirt be installed in a virtual machine?

Sat Sep 22 21:35:10 UTC 2012

*Question 1 - if oVirt goes down... do the ovirt-nodes and VMs remain
up?*Can someone answer this please? :-)

Due to budget and space constraints, I currently have 2 servers total.

What if I did the following:

Server 1) Fedora 17 with KVM/Virt-manager... running oVirt as a VM (through
virt-manager) off the iSCSI NAS.
Server 2) oVirt-node machine - one and only host machine for oVirt running
on Server 1).

With this setup I can run VMs from iSCSI on oVirt-node Server 2).

In the event that oVirt-node Server 2) goes down... is anything stopping me
from setting up my VMs on Server 1) with the iSCSI storage from the NAS and
run my VMs without oVirt through virt-manager?

This would give me some form of redundancy (requiring manual intervention)
in the event that my ovirt-node went down... is this a feasible setup?

To make it even more redundant, maybe I should do the following with Server
2)

Install Fedora 17 with KVM/Virt-Manager, and VDSM... in the event that
Server 1) fails... I can run my VMs on Server 2) through virt-manager?

Should I just drop oVirt for now and run virt-manager on my 2 hosts, moving
VMs manually (as they are running off iSCSI NAS) if a host fails? <tear>

Thank you,

Nic

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Keith Robertson <kroberts at redhat.com>wrote:

>  On 09/22/2012 02:28 PM, Nicolas Chenier wrote:
>
> Question - if oVirt goes down... do the ovirt-nodes and VMs remain up?
>
>
> Keith, how would you set yourself up with these specs:
>
> 2 host servers (quad-core xeons with 32gigs of ram)
>
> Are you saying that you only have 2 machines in total, or that you have 2
> machines that can be dedicated hypervisors (ie. ovirt-node) and a third
> machine that can be a dedicated manager?
>
> If the former then one machine must run some version of *nix compatible
> with oVirt Manager and, the other machine in this scenario can simply run
> ovirt-node.
>
> If the latter, then you have 1 box dedicated as a manager and 2 boxes as
> dedicated hypervisors.  This is a fairly basic/good setup.
>
> 1 iSCSI NAS
>
> Starting to think there is no way to achieve HA with this setup?
>
> Not with only 2 boxes.  No.
>
> oVirt requires a dedicated machine?
>
> Generally, speaking.  Yes.
>
> Truly HA setups aren't cheap and people often have different ideas of what
> constitutes HA.  Offhand I would think that you would need...
>
> - 2 boxes for the oVirt manager
> - Clustering software for the manager to facilitate an active/passive
> setup.
> - UPSs (at *least* 2) which can be controlled by clustering software.
> Why?  Most clustering SW require a fence device.  These will be your fence
> devices.
> - 2 boxes for your hypervisors (ie. ovirt-nodes).  This will facilitate
> fail-over from one node to the other.
>
> HA isn't cheap and can't usually be done on 2 boxes, IMO unless you're
> failing over a single app.
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Nic
>
> PS. Could oVirt be integrated into ovirt-node on every server?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Keith Robertson <kroberts at redhat.com>wrote:
>
>>  On 09/22/2012 01:09 PM, Nicolas Chenier wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> I have oVirt running in a VM off my Desktop (Fedora 17 w/ KVM &
>> Virt-Manager) off my iSCSI NAS.
>>
>> I've attached Server #1 as my first host (it's running ovirt-node).
>>
>> In the process of setting up my storage domains. I have a few questions
>> to the experts out there:
>>
>> 1) How do I add my CD .ISOs to setup new VMs? Create iSCSI storage
>> domain? But then how do I copy my ISOs to it?
>>
>>  Create an ISO storage domain and use the ovirt-iso-uploader to add your
>> ISOs and .vfd files into that domain.
>>
>>
>> 2) Can I run my oVirt VM from ovirt-node machine, without running it in
>> oVirt (ie. setup iSCSI in virt-manager (as it is now) and run oVirt from
>> virt-manager... then I can manage my hosts through that ovirt VM?
>>
>>  Huh?  You could run the oVirt Manager from a VM managed by
>> virt-manager... yes.  Running the oVirt manager inside a VM on a hypervisor
>> (ie. ovirt-node) controlled by that same manager isn't supported AFAIK
>> because the mgr. could get fenced.
>>
>> To summarize, you can pretty much run the oVirt manager on any supported
>> OS as long as that OS instance isn't running on a hypervisor (ie.
>> ovirt-node) controlled by *that* manager.
>>
>> If you haven't noticed the vocabulary to describe the various components
>> can get a little confusing. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure if I'm making myself clear... but I'm making progress. I think
>> as long as you are not managing your oVirt vm through oVirt itself, the
>> solution should work fine! Just trying to see if I can get that done on an
>> ovirt-node machine...
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Nic
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Alan Johnson <alan at datdec.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Nicolas Chenier <dascope at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was under the impression that my oVirt VM would show up in oVirt and
>>>> that I could manage it through there...
>>>>
>>>> What you're saying is that I should just run it seperatly and not
>>>> manage it with itself (oVirt)? keep it on my shared storage so that I can
>>>> run it off any of the 2 servers? But not manage it with oVirt (itself). I
>>>> think I'm starting to get it now...
>>>>
>>>> I really appreciate your help!
>>>>
>>>> Nic
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Nic, how did you make out with this?  I'm looking to do the same thing
>>> and am wondering if there is any risk in running the engine on a VM managed
>>> by the same engine, as you were suggesting before.  Did you give this a
>>> shot?
>>>
>>>  Itamar, why did you steer Nic away from this?
>>>
>>> _______________
>>> Alan Johnson
>>> alan at datdec.com
>>>
>>>
>>
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