[Users] [Engine-devel] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19 misses tar at minimal setup

[Nicholas Kesick]

I did some testing with Fedora 18 (waiting for the Fedora 19 dvd to finish downloading) and I think that the behavior was the same way in Fedora 18. In Fedora 18 when installing from DVD if you select “Minimal Install”, you do not get tar.

 

However, if you select “Minimal install” and “standard” under the add-on list, you *do* get tar. And if memory serves I learned the hard way in Fedora 18 that a lot of familiar commands are missing in minimal install without the standard add-on items including “ifconfig”. Yea, you can’t even easily tell what your IP address is!... unless you are used to the ip command.


 

Is there any other commands that are missing on the “minimal” install that are needed? Would it be easier to mention in the install directions to use the standard add-on if selecting the minimal package set for host deployment?

 

Just thoughts. I also wonder if it would be possible to include tar as a dependency for the RPMs (like ovirt-engine or vdsm) so when installed using a package manager, tar would be checked for.

 

- Nick

 


From: Alon Bar-Lev
Sent: ‎August‎ ‎5‎, ‎2013 ‎6‎:‎02‎ ‎PM
To: users, arch, engine-devel
Subject: Re: [Users] [Engine-devel] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19 misses tar at minimal setup



Hello Again,

I tend to keep state as-is, require tar at host machine.

Whoever installs Fedora minimal should install tar manually.

I hope Fedora people will add tar per some of the requests, as tar is important utility in *NIX environment.

I do not think that the extra complexity is required.

If you strongly think otherwise, then I prefer to merge the self extracting python script.

Speak now, and emphasis.

Regards,
Alon Bar-Lev.

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl at redhat.com>
> To: "users" <users at ovirt.org>, "arch" <arch at ovirt.org>, "engine-devel" <engine-devel at ovirt.org>
> Cc: "Juan Hernandez" <jhernand at redhat.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Engine-devel] [Users] [Feedback required][host-deploy] Fedora-19 misses tar at minimal setup
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Starting the discussion again...
> 
> I would like to receive feedback regarding how we should cope with a state
> presented to use by Fedora.
> 
> Fedora-19 minimal setup does not install tar utility which is required to
> deploy files during the host-deploy process (Hosts->Add Host).
> 
> I guess because of 2.8M in size (including translations) -- a standard
> commonly used utility was removed.
> 
> There are three alternatives :
> 
> 1. Instruct users who are using minimal installations to manually install tar
> utility just like they configure repository, dns, etc..
> 
> Benefit: simplicity.
> Benefit: use standard tools.
> Benefit: lower payload to transmit.
> Drawback: require tar at destination machine.
> 
> 2. Do not use tar but self extracting python script, a patch is ready[1].
> 
> Benefit: ability to deploy environment in which tar is missing.
> Drawback: non standard tool at destination machine.
> Drawback: complexity within our code.
> 
> 3. Do not use tar but cpio, a patch is ready[2].
> 
> Benefit: simplicity.
> Benefit: use standard tools.
> Benefit: lower payload to transmit.
> Benefit: ability to use Fedora-19 minimal.
> Drawback: cpio is even less common than tar, even if it exists in Fedora-19
> it can be removed without anyone notice.
> Drawback: most other distributions will not have cpio in their minimal
> installation.
> 
> [[[
> There was 4rd alternative, using python tar module to deploy tar.
> However, there is a bug in that module when processing last block if empty.
> This is edge condition but happened to at least one of the users and I could
> reproduce it.
> ]]]
> 
> What option do you prefer?
> 
> Regards,
> Alon Bar-Lev
> 
> [1] http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/17295/
> [2] http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/17396/
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