[Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability [ux][BZ#984737]

[Lior Vernia]

On 23/08/13 15:46, Karli Sjöberg wrote:
> fre 2013-08-23 klockan 15:42 +0300 skrev Lior Vernia:
>>
>> On 23/08/13 08:51, Karli Sjöberg wrote:
>> > tor 2013-08-22 klockan 20:43 +0300 skrev Lior Vernia:
>> >>
>> >> On 22/08/13 20:04, Einav Cohen wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> > 
>> >> > This is about attempting to address the difficulty of finding the edit-action in 
>> >> > the Setup Host Network dialog, as documented in "Bug 984737 - usability: webadmin 
>> >> > difficulty in assigning client ip, no gateway possible" in bugzilla.
>> >> > We have a suggestion from Eldan (see attached "HostSetupNetworks-HoverPopUp.png") 
>> >> > which was described in the BZ (comment #3) and seemed acceptable by the reporter 
>> >> > (comment #4), however IIUC - one of the main pain points described in the BZ was 
>> >> > the fact that the user could not find the option to Edit the connection properties 
>> >> > since he was looking in the wrong place, and needed to hover on the correct place, 
>> >> > in order to find that option.
>> >> > So although the idea is somewhat helpful, my concern is that this solution is not 
>> >> > enough (comment #5).
>> >> > 
>> >> > Another proposal from Malini (comment #6) is to add an "actions" drop-down menu in 
>> >> > the form of a small "gear" icon-button - see attached "HostSetupNetworks-DropDownMenu.png".
>> >> > This proposal addresses my concern, however I have a question about another concern 
>> >> > with this solution:
>> >> > would the actions-drop-down menu-items panel be revealed appear upon click or upon 
>> >> > hover?
>> >> > 
>> >> > if it will be upon hover, it might seem weird/be conflicted/be somewhat confusing 
>> >> > with the hover functionality that reveals the logical-network details pop-up.
>> >>
>> >> If this proposal is accepted (see my comments below about both
>> >> proposals), one solution might be to get rid of the network details
>> >> tooltip. Most people probably don't use MTU, 
>> > 
>> > Just a FYI there Lior; we do:) And when 10GbE becomes available, Jumbo
>> > Frames is going to be required to use all that bandwidth. Otherwise you
>> > are capped at about half(500MB/s as opposed to 1,2GB/s).
>>
>> And is it at all helpful to see it in the Host Setup Networks context?
>> It is set in the DC context when adding or editing a network, to my
>> understanding it doesn't have much to do with a specific host.
> 
> No I agree, it´s not helpful at all, maybe even destructive. Why allow
> admins to mess around with different MTU's on different Hosts for the
> same network. Since MTU is set in the switches, the MTU must be the same
> for all Hosts on the same network, or one could wreak all kinds of
> havoc. What I was saying is not to forget that, for admins, MTU is a big
> deal, and makes a big difference in performance, is all.
> 

Worry not :) I was only referring to the Host Setup Networks tooltip
displayed when hovering over a network, I probably should have phrased
it better.

>>
>> I'm guessing the main reason it's there is to give people a shot at
>> guessing why their network appears out-of-sync, when it's caused by the
>> MTU being configured differently on the host, but I don't think that
>> would be easy to figure out anyway.
>>
>> > 
>> > /Karli
>> > 
>> >> and the rest is just
>> >> explaining the network role icons; so maybe not that useful.
>> >>
>> >> > if it will be upon click, it means that in order to edit a logical network, two 
>> >> > clicks will be required in order to get to the edit dialog, as opposed to one click 
>> >> > in the current state and in Eldan's suggestion. 
>> >> > maybe having two clicks in order to get to the edit dialog is acceptable, however 
>> >> > there may be some solutions for that:
>> >> > 
>> >> > one possible solution would be to combine both attached suggestions, i.e. the actions 
>> >> > within the hover pop-up, as well as the actions drop-down menu, however it means that 
>> >> > there will be some redundancy of the actions availability.
>> >>
>> >> That sounds bad to me regardless of the other alternatives.
>> >>
>> >> > another possible solution is to keep only the gear + down-arrow icon (or maybe only 
>> >> > the down-arrow icon), without the actual drop-down menu there, just in order to indicate 
>> >> > that there are some options available in that area, and have Eldan's pop-up appear when 
>> >> > hovering on that icon (or even on the entire logical-network area, as happens today with 
>> >> > the current details pop-up)
>> >> > 
>> >> > thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> I like the gear icon because it's noticeable and easily recognizable.
>> >> However, keep in mind that bonds should also have the same icon to keep
>> >> a consistent design. Now imagine a configuration with several bonds on
>> >> the left-hand-side and quite a few networks on the right-hand-side; I'm
>> >> no designer, but it could get cluttered with all those gear icons.
>> >>
>> >> It MIGHT be preferable to use the other design (tooltip with action bar)
>> >> and risk the odd person not easily finding it (no disrespect intended,
>> >> Jason). I have no idea, however, if it's gonna be just the odd person or
>> >> most people. I'd love to hear others' opinions.
>> >>
>> >> > 
>> >> > ----
>> >> > Regards, 
>> >> > Einav
>> >> > 
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