[Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability [ux][BZ#984737]

Fri Aug 23 18:19:55 UTC 2013

[top posting]

Hi René, thanks for the feedback.
I will soon send an e-mail summarizing all of the feedback regarding the 
main issue.
In your particular feedback, you have mentioned a couple of potential 
improvements that are not directly related to the main issue. These are:

(1)
> So why not allowing to edit ip addresses here?
> I don't mean going back to oVirt 3.0 style but just make existing ip
> addresses changeable here already by making the existing ip address
> clickable and open the edit network window.
[IIUC: 'here' == Logical Networks sub-tab in the Hosts main tab]

Can you please file a new BZ on that issue?
[https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=oVirt]

(2)
> display the ip address (and maybe MTU) below the logical network name.
> e.g.
> ovirtmgmt (VLAN 1)
> IP: 192.168.0.1
> ---------
> logical network 1
> ---------
> logical network 2

currently, the appropriate location for this information is the details-pop-up 
that is displayed upon hovering on the logical network; however, in case we will 
decide to get rid of that pop-up, your suggestion above should be taken into 
consideration, and it would be great if you will file a new BZ on that issue as 
well. 

----
Thanks,
Einav

----- Original Message -----
> From: "René Koch (ovido)" <r.koch at ovido.at>
> To: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> Cc: "info" <info at eldanet.com>, "Eldan Hildesheim" <ehildesh at redhat.com>, "users" <users at ovirt.org>, jas at cs.yorku.ca
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:34:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability [ux][BZ#984737]
> 
> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 13:04 -0400, Einav Cohen wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > This is about attempting to address the difficulty of finding the
> > edit-action in
> > the Setup Host Network dialog, as documented in "Bug 984737 - usability:
> > webadmin
> > difficulty in assigning client ip, no gateway possible" in bugzilla.
> > We have a suggestion from Eldan (see attached
> > "HostSetupNetworks-HoverPopUp.png")
> > which was described in the BZ (comment #3) and seemed acceptable by the
> > reporter
> > (comment #4), however IIUC - one of the main pain points described in the
> > BZ was
> > the fact that the user could not find the option to Edit the connection
> > properties
> > since he was looking in the wrong place, and needed to hover on the correct
> > place,
> > in order to find that option.
> > So although the idea is somewhat helpful, my concern is that this solution
> > is not
> > enough (comment #5).
> > 
> > Another proposal from Malini (comment #6) is to add an "actions" drop-down
> > menu in
> > the form of a small "gear" icon-button - see attached
> > "HostSetupNetworks-DropDownMenu.png".
> > This proposal addresses my concern, however I have a question about another
> > concern
> > with this solution:
> > would the actions-drop-down menu-items panel be revealed appear upon click
> > or upon
> > hover?
> 
> 
> In my opinion this is the better solution but still not enough. Let me
> explain why:
> 
> There are 4 reasons (or did I forgot one?) why I want to change the network
> configuration:
> 1. Add new logical networks
> 2. Remove logical networks
> 3. Change ip addresses of 1 (or more) logical networks
> 4. Configure/change bonding options
> 
> Ad 1 and 2: In the Setup hosts networks dialog the behavior is ok -
> improvements should be done when creating new logical networks.
> I think neutron integration will improve this...
> 
> Ad 3:
> When changing (or adding) an ip address I first have to verify what's the
> current ip configuration of this host.
> If I don't use dns/static hosts entry I can see the current ip address
> of ovirtmgmt host in hosts tab, but for all other networks or when
> having hostnames configured I have to go to the "Network Interfaces"
> subtab of each host. In this tab I can already see the address I (properly)
> want to change or the interface where I want to add a new ip address.
> 
> So why not allowing to edit ip addresses here?
> I don't mean going back to oVirt 3.0 style but just make existing ip
> addresses changeable here already by making the existing ip address
> clickable and open the edit network window.
> 
> Bondings/logical networks should stay in setup host networks and there
> should also be a gear icon to edit/remove logical networks like in the
> DropDownMenu.png screenshot which reveals when clicking on it. Then you
> have the possibility to change the ip config wherever it's easier for you.
> 
> I also vote for removing the tooltip on logical networks and instead display
> the ip address (and maybe MTU) below the logical network name.
> e.g.
> ovirtmgmt (VLAN 1)
> IP: 192.168.0.1
> ---------
> logical network 1
> ---------
> logical network 2
> 
> As ip addresses will most likely be configured only for ovirtmgmt, display
> network and storage network this dialog wouldn't get floated with too many
> information...
> 
> Ad 4: Add a gear icon in the same way as for 3, but keep the ability to
> change the configuration only in "Setup hosts networks" dialog, no need imho
> in "Network Interfaces" subtab...
> 
> 
> Regards,
> René
> 
> 
> > 
> > if it will be upon hover, it might seem weird/be conflicted/be somewhat
> > confusing
> > with the hover functionality that reveals the logical-network details
> > pop-up.
> > 
> > if it will be upon click, it means that in order to edit a logical network,
> > two
> > clicks will be required in order to get to the edit dialog, as opposed to
> > one click
> > in the current state and in Eldan's suggestion.
> > maybe having two clicks in order to get to the edit dialog is acceptable,
> > however
> > there may be some solutions for that:
> > 
> > one possible solution would be to combine both attached suggestions, i.e.
> > the actions
> > within the hover pop-up, as well as the actions drop-down menu, however it
> > means that
> > there will be some redundancy of the actions availability.
> > 
> > another possible solution is to keep only the gear + down-arrow icon (or
> > maybe only
> > the down-arrow icon), without the actual drop-down menu there, just in
> > order to indicate
> > that there are some options available in that area, and have Eldan's pop-up
> > appear when
> > hovering on that icon (or even on the entire logical-network area, as
> > happens today with
> > the current details pop-up)
> > 
> > thoughts?
> > 
> > ----
> > Regards,
> > Einav
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