[Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability [ux][BZ#984737]

Sun Aug 25 08:21:28 UTC 2013

Hi Einav,

I think that the dropdown menu that is always visible (option 1.a) is better - it's more clear.
Also, not related to the raised issue - the 2 icons of 'usage' ('management' and 'VM') also resemble buttons because of their black frame , especially since they are located close to the "gear" icon (which opens the edit/remove). I suggest to remove the black frame and leave just the icons to reduce the confusion.

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>
> To: "users" <users at ovirt.org>
> Cc: "info" <info at eldanet.com>, "Eldan Hildesheim" <ehildesh at redhat.com>, jas at cs.yorku.ca
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:23:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability [ux][BZ#984737]
> 
> [top posting]
> 
> Many thanks, everyone, for your valuable input - it is highly appreciated!
> I would like to do an interim summary of our conclusions / open issues so
> far, towards converging to a concrete solution.
> 
> your feedback will be highly appreciated.
> 
> (1) [open issue] actions availability indication:
> 
>   (a) always visible (e.g. as a gear icon, see attached
>   HostSetupNetworks-DropDownMenu.png)
>   (b) visible only upon hover (see attached HostSetupNetworks-HoverPopUp.png)
>   (c) combination (see attached
>   SetupHostNetworks-StaticAndHoverCombination.png)
> 
> [ignore the exact design details for now (e.g. hover solution contains /
> doesn't
> contain some network details, gear icon drop-down items panel opens upon
> hover /
> upon click, etc.]
> 
> I think we all agree that (c) is a bad redundancy;
> (a) may somewhat clutter the existing view, however it best resolves the
> original pain point mentioned in the BZ/this thread, which is not fully
> resolved in solution (b).
> according to the input provided in this thread, it seems that most of the
> people are in favor of adding the gear icon, which implies that they support
> (a) [I could be wrong, please correct me if I am].
> 
> (2) [open issue] displaying a details-pop-up upon hover on a logical network
> is needed / not needed.
> we received here a couple of opinions that it isn't needed, I would like
> to verify that everyone are comfortable with that; also need to keep in
> mind that we currently have a details pop-up when hovering on a NIC, and I
> assume that we have one for hovering on a Bond - are everyone comfortable
> with getting rid of all of these?
> 
> (3) [open issue] actions availability upon click vs. upon hover.
> [note: this is not about the indication mentioned in (1) (e.g. gear icon),
> but about actually showing the available actions (edit, remove, etc.).
> revealing the available actions upon click would mean that two clicks will
> be needed in order to edit a logical network, for example, vs. one click
> that will be needed in the current state / hover solution.
> moreover, if everyone are comfortable with removing the details-pop-up upon
> hover (see (2)), then there would be no hover conflicts in that sense.
> [even if we decide to keep the details-pop-up - we can include the actions
> in it, just like demonstrated in HostSetupNetworks-HoverPopUp.png, so there
> will be only one consistent "behavior" upon hovering on the logical network
> area]
> 
> my suggestion:
> 
> add a static action indication (e.g. gear icon), and upon hovering on it
> (or hovering on the logical network rectangle in general), the actions-pop
> -up (which may or may not contain also some network details - again, see (2))
> will appear [see attached HostSetupNetworks-EinavSuggestion.png]
> 
> * NOTE: Although we are discussing mainly logical networks, the solution (or
> the relevant parts of it) should be applied also to Bonds and NICs within
> the same dialog.
> 
> "+1"s / "-1"s / comments / additional suggestions are welcome.
> 
> ----
> Thanks,
> Einav
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karli Sjöberg" <Karli.Sjoberg at slu.se>
> > To: "Lior Vernia" <lvernia at redhat.com>
> > Cc: "Einav Cohen" <ecohen at redhat.com>, "info" <info at eldanet.com>, "Eldan
> > Hildesheim" <ehildesh at redhat.com>,
> > jas at cs.yorku.ca, "users" <users at ovirt.org>
> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:46:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Users] Setup Host Network dialog - actions availability
> > [ux][BZ#984737]
> > 
> > fre 2013-08-23 klockan 15:42 +0300 skrev Lior Vernia:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 23/08/13 08:51, Karli Sjöberg wrote:
> > > tor 2013-08-22 klockan 20:43 +0300 skrev Lior Vernia:
> > >>
> > >> On 22/08/13 20:04, Einav Cohen wrote:
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > This is about attempting to address the difficulty of finding the
> > >> > edit-action in
> > >> > the Setup Host Network dialog, as documented in "Bug 984737 -
> > >> > usability:
> > >> > webadmin
> > >> > difficulty in assigning client ip, no gateway possible" in bugzilla.
> > >> > We have a suggestion from Eldan (see attached
> > >> > "HostSetupNetworks-HoverPopUp.png")
> > >> > which was described in the BZ (comment #3) and seemed acceptable by
> > >> > the
> > >> > reporter
> > >> > (comment #4), however IIUC - one of the main pain points described in
> > >> > the BZ was
> > >> > the fact that the user could not find the option to Edit the
> > >> > connection
> > >> > properties
> > >> > since he was looking in the wrong place, and needed to hover on the
> > >> > correct place,
> > >> > in order to find that option.
> > >> > So although the idea is somewhat helpful, my concern is that this
> > >> > solution is not
> > >> > enough (comment #5).
> > >> >
> > >> > Another proposal from Malini (comment #6) is to add an "actions"
> > >> > drop-down menu in
> > >> > the form of a small "gear" icon-button - see attached
> > >> > "HostSetupNetworks-DropDownMenu.png".
> > >> > This proposal addresses my concern, however I have a question about
> > >> > another concern
> > >> > with this solution:
> > >> > would the actions-drop-down menu-items panel be revealed appear upon
> > >> > click or upon
> > >> > hover?
> > >> >
> > >> > if it will be upon hover, it might seem weird/be conflicted/be
> > >> > somewhat
> > >> > confusing
> > >> > with the hover functionality that reveals the logical-network details
> > >> > pop-up.
> > >>
> > >> If this proposal is accepted (see my comments below about both
> > >> proposals), one solution might be to get rid of the network details
> > >> tooltip. Most people probably don't use MTU,
> > >
> > > Just a FYI there Lior; we do:) And when 10GbE becomes available, Jumbo
> > > Frames is going to be required to use all that bandwidth. Otherwise you
> > > are capped at about half(500MB/s as opposed to 1,2GB/s).
> > 
> > And is it at all helpful to see it in the Host Setup Networks context?
> > It is set in the DC context when adding or editing a network, to my
> > understanding it doesn't have much to do with a specific host.
> > 
> > 
> > No I agree, it´s not helpful at all, maybe even destructive. Why allow
> > admins
> > to mess around with different MTU's on different Hosts for the same
> > network.
> > Since MTU is set in the switches, the MTU must be the same for all Hosts on
> > the same network, or one could wreak all kinds of havoc. What I was saying
> > is not to forget that, for admins, MTU is a big deal, and makes a big
> > difference in performance, is all.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm guessing the main reason it's there is to give people a shot at
> > guessing why their network appears out-of-sync, when it's caused by the
> > MTU being configured differently on the host, but I don't think that
> > would be easy to figure out anyway.
> > 
> > >
> > > /Karli
> > >
> > >> and the rest is just
> > >> explaining the network role icons; so maybe not that useful.
> > >>
> > >> > if it will be upon click, it means that in order to edit a logical
> > >> > network, two
> > >> > clicks will be required in order to get to the edit dialog, as opposed
> > >> > to one click
> > >> > in the current state and in Eldan's suggestion.
> > >> > maybe having two clicks in order to get to the edit dialog is
> > >> > acceptable, however
> > >> > there may be some solutions for that:
> > >> >
> > >> > one possible solution would be to combine both attached suggestions,
> > >> > i.e. the actions
> > >> > within the hover pop-up, as well as the actions drop-down menu,
> > >> > however
> > >> > it means that
> > >> > there will be some redundancy of the actions availability.
> > >>
> > >> That sounds bad to me regardless of the other alternatives.
> > >>
> > >> > another possible solution is to keep only the gear + down-arrow icon
> > >> > (or
> > >> > maybe only
> > >> > the down-arrow icon), without the actual drop-down menu there, just in
> > >> > order to indicate
> > >> > that there are some options available in that area, and have Eldan's
> > >> > pop-up appear when
> > >> > hovering on that icon (or even on the entire logical-network area, as
> > >> > happens today with
> > >> > the current details pop-up)
> > >> >
> > >> > thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> I like the gear icon because it's noticeable and easily recognizable.
> > >> However, keep in mind that bonds should also have the same icon to keep
> > >> a consistent design. Now imagine a configuration with several bonds on
> > >> the left-hand-side and quite a few networks on the right-hand-side; I'm
> > >> no designer, but it could get cluttered with all those gear icons.
> > >>
> > >> It MIGHT be preferable to use the other design (tooltip with action bar)
> > >> and risk the odd person not easily finding it (no disrespect intended,
> > >> Jason). I have no idea, however, if it's gonna be just the odd person or
> > >> most people. I'd love to hear others' opinions.
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > ----
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > Einav
> > >> >
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