[Users] Package installation error

Fri Mar 22 16:08:58 UTC 2013

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl at redhat.com>
> To: "Simon Grinberg" <simon at redhat.com>
> Cc: users at ovirt.org, "Shireesh Anjal" <sanjal at redhat.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:51:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error
> 
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> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Grinberg" <simon at redhat.com>
> > To: "Shireesh Anjal" <sanjal at redhat.com>
> > Cc: users at ovirt.org, "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl at redhat.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:46:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Shireesh Anjal" <sanjal at redhat.com>
> > > To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl at redhat.com>
> > > Cc: "Simon Grinberg" <simon at redhat.com>, users at ovirt.org
> > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 8:34:40 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error
> > > 
> > > On 03/22/2013 12:11 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Simon Grinberg" <simon at redhat.com>
> > > >> To: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl at redhat.com>
> > > >> Cc: users at ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" <sabose at redhat.com>, "Dave
> > > >> Neary" <dneary at redhat.com>
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:40:17 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl at redhat.com>
> > > >>> To: "Dave Neary" <dneary at redhat.com>
> > > >>> Cc: users at ovirt.org, "Sahina Bose" <sabose at redhat.com>,
> > > >>> "Simon
> > > >>> Grinberg" <simon at redhat.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:35:56 PM
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Simon?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>> From: "Dave Neary" <dneary at redhat.com>
> > > >>>> To: "Sahina Bose" <sabose at redhat.com>
> > > >>>> Cc: "Alon Bar-Lev" <alonbl at redhat.com>, users at ovirt.org
> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:34:56 PM
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Users] Package installation error
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 03/19/2013 05:24 AM, Sahina Bose wrote:
> > > >>>>> You are right - Gluster 3.4 is only required to manage
> > > >>>>> gluster
> > > >>>>> clusters.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Currently the question asked at setup is this :
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> "The engine can be configured to present the UI in three
> > > >>>>> different
> > > >>>>> application modes. virt [Manage virtualization only],
> > > >>>>> gluster
> > > >>>>> [Manage
> > > >>>>> gluster storage only],
> > > >>>>> and both [Manage virtualization as well as gluster
> > > >>>>> storage]"
> > > >>>>> where
> > > >>>>> both
> > > >>>>> is the default.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If this is confusing to the user, we can change this
> > > >>>>> message.
> > > >>>>> Suggestions?
> > > >>>> I would either:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> (a) put "Virt" as the default, or
> > > >> I would go for this one, this keeps backwards compatibility.
> > > >> Is there an easy method to change this configuration later?
> > > > Yes, changing the cluster settings.
> > > 
> > > No - you can change the cluster settings (virt service/gluster
> > > service)
> > > only if the application mode is "both". In virt only mode, the
> > > cluster
> > > is virt only, and same with gluster-only. So if you want user to
> > > be
> > > able
> > > to change the mode *after* installation, this config
> > > (ApplicationMode)
> > > must be exposed in the engine-config tool.
> > 
> > So if I'll try to sum up (with reference to other emails on this
> > thread).
> > 1. Default should be virt only
> > 2. Keep the question and better explain what is the Gluster option
> > (preferable a link to the relevant page)
> > 3. Add a config option to easily change the selection later
> > Need to think about the implication of the third option in case the
> > change conflicts with hosts/clusters that are already configured
> > other wise.
> > Example: Initial selection was Virt and now adding dual mode -
> > always
> > OK
> > Example: Initial selection was Virt, no host in the setup, and now
> > changing to Gluster mode - OK
> > Example: Initial selection was Virt, Hosts already in the setup
> > installed in virt mode, and now changing to Gluster mode - What
> > will
> > we do?
> > 
> > My take,
> > Config option can only set to dual mode, never the other way
> > around.
> > This will save the need to add sophisticated logic
> > 
> > Sounds right?
> 
> Yes, but I am unsure that this is a single config option...
> Maybe I did not understand you properly, but I think this should be
> an option in the UI.

AFAIK, it's an option in the _options table that is not yet exposed to the -config utility
The reason it's there since it's alters the appearance and removes some GUI options in the first place.

> 
> And... if this option is in UI, then... why do we need anything at
> setup...? user can log into the system and configure the cluster in
> any way he likes.

Well that was the initial idea behind the dual mode, everything exposed and the user selects in the GUI on the cluster level what to use. This confuses users as this thread apparently exposes. Users that do not care about Glusters would like not to bother to set this up on each cluster, and vice verse. 

> 
> I am thinking into the future that when first login into the admin
> console there should be some wizard, instead of performing this at
> setup time.

If configuration options are allowed to be dynamically modified  (and we are working to have it so) this does not contradict, the wizard is just a first login graphical setup. 

> 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >>>> (b) remove this question entirely - if someone is installing
> > > >>>> oVirt,
> > > >>>> assume they want to manage virt. If someone is installing
> > > >>>> Gluster,
> > > >>>> have
> > > >>>> an option during the Gluster install to have the oVirt
> > > >>>> management
> > > >>>> console.
> > > >> We do want people to get exposed to the Gluster option.
> > > >>
> > > >>>> If someone wants to manage both their Gluster bricks and
> > > >>>> their
> > > >>>> virt
> > > >>>> with
> > > >>>> oVirt, I would make that a post-install option to oVirt -
> > > >>>> perhaps
> > > >>>> with
> > > >>>> an extra package to install (which would depend on the later
> > > >>>> version
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>> Gluster).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>> Dave.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On 03/19/2013 01:41 PM, Dave Neary wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 03/19/2013 08:16 AM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Now I am confused....
> > > >>>>>>> Do you or don't you need vdsm-gluster on your system?
> > > >>>>>> Allow me to clarify.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> There have been several messages from users since the
> > > >>>>>> oVirt
> > > >>>>>> 3.2
> > > >>>>>> release asking why they need Gluster 3.4 pre-releases to
> > > >>>>>> run
> > > >>>>>> oVirt.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> My understanding is that you don't need Gluster 3.4 unless
> > > >>>>>> you
> > > >>>>>> want to
> > > >>>>>> manage a Gluster cluster with oVirt.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> So my question is: are we sure that we are not leading
> > > >>>>>> users
> > > >>>>>> wrong,
> > > >>>>>> and confusing them during the installation & set-up
> > > >>>>>> process?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>> Dave.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Dave Neary - Community Action and Impact
> > > >>>> Open Source and Standards, Red Hat -
> > > >>>> http://community.redhat.com
> > > >>>> Ph: +33 9 50 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13
> > > >>>>
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