[Users] so, what do you want next in oVirt?

suporte at logicworks.pt suporte at logicworks.pt
Mon Sep 9 13:09:07 UTC 2013


Hi Doron, 

But first you have to install the engine, before the VM. So, the idea is to make a backup and restore it to a VM? 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Doron Fediuck" <dfediuck at redhat.com> 
To: suporte at logicworks.pt 
Cc: users at ovirt.org 
Sent: Domingo, 8 de Setembro de 2013 23:06:20 
Subject: Re: [Users] so, what do you want next in oVirt? 

Hi Jose, 
the latter is available by hosted engine, which is a highly 
available VM which will be migrated / restarted on a different 
host if something goes wrong. 

----- Original Message ----- 
> From: suporte at logicworks.pt 
> To: users at ovirt.org 
> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 1:43:04 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Users] so, what do you want next in oVirt? 
> 
> Could be great o have on the Engine: 
> - An upload option for the ISO files 
> - A backup and restore option 
> - An high availability for the engine: install the engine on 2 platforms 
> (hardware?), than integrate them for synchronization 
> 
> Jose 
> 
> 
> From: "noc" <noc at nieuwland.nl> 
> Cc: users at ovirt.org 
> Sent: Sexta-feira, 6 de Setembro de 2013 10:28:09 
> Subject: Re: [Users] so, what do you want next in oVirt? 
> 
> On 6-9-2013 10:12, Itamar Heim wrote: 
> > On 09/05/2013 10:30 AM, noc wrote: 
> >>>> On 08/21/2013 12:11 PM, Itamar Heim wrote: 
> >>>>> On 08/21/2013 02:40 AM, Joop van de Wege wrote: 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> What I would like to see in the ! next version is pxe boot of the 
> >>>>>> nodes. 
> >>>>>> Probably not easy to achieve because of dependency on dhcp. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Joop, 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> can you please give a bit more information on the use case / how you 
> >>>>> envision this? 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> current thinking around bare metal provisioning of hosts is to extend 
> >>>>> the functionality around the foreman provider for this, but you may 
> >>>>> have other suggestions? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I think Joop means to be able to add hosts (nodes) to a cluster by 
> >>>> adding their MAC address to the dhcp list for PXE boot into ovirt-node 
> >>>> and thus join the cluster. This would make it easy to add new physical 
> >>>> nodes without any spinning disks or other local storage requirements. 
> >>> 
> >>> we started adding foreman integration in 3.3: 
> >>> http://www.ovirt.org/Features/ForemanIntegration 
> >>> 
> >>> adding ohad and oved for their thoughts on this. 
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I suppose this may not be easy with complex network connections (bonds 
> >>>> on mgmt network, mgmt network on a tagged vlan, etc), but it should be 
> >>>> possible if the management network interface is plain and physical. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> /Simon 
> >>>> 
> >>>> PS, Perhaps Joop can confirm this idea, we've talked about it IRL. 
> >>>> _______________________________________________ 
> >>>> Users mailing list 
> >>>> Users at ovirt.org 
> >>>> http://lists.ovirt.org/mailman/listinfo/users 
> >>> 
> >> This isn't about provisioning with Foreman. Its about having the compute 
> >> nodes NOT having any spinning disks. So the only way to start a node is 
> >> to pxeboot it and then let it (re)connect with the engine. Then it will 
> >> be identified by engine as either a new node or a reconnecting node and 
> >> it will get its configuration from the engine. For reference: thats how 
> >> VirtualIron works. It has a managment network, just like ovirt, and on 
> >> that it runs a tftp and dhcp server. Nodes are plugged into the 
> >> managment network, without disk, and then pxe booted after which they 
> >> appear in the webui as new unconfigured nodes. You then can set various 
> >> settings and upon rebooting the nodes will recieve these settings 
> >> because it is recognised by its mac address. The advantage of this 
> >> construct is that you can place a new server into a rack, cable it, 
> >> power on and go back to you office where you'll find the new node 
> >> waiting to be configured. No messing around with CDs to install an OS, 
> >> not being in the datacenter for hours on end, just in and out. 
> >> 
> >> Yes, disks are cheap but they brake down, need maintenance, means 
> >> downtime and in general more admin time then when you don't have them. ( 
> >> its a shame to have a raid1 of 2 1Tb disk just to install an OS of less 
> >> then 10G) 
> > 
> > just wondering, how do they prevent a rogue node/guest from 
> > masquerading as such a host, getting access/secrets/VMs to be launched 
> > on such an untrusted node (they could easily report a different mac 
> > address if the layer 2 isn't hardened against that)? 
> > 
> They would need physical access to your rack which ofcourse is locked, 
> you would need to powerdown/up which would trigger an alert, switch port 
> down/up would trigger an alert, so probably you're notified that 
> something not quite right is happening. I haven't gone through the 
> source to see if there is more then just the mac address check. 
> 
> > other than that, yes. we actually used to have this via the 
> > AutoApprovePatterns config option, which would have the engine approve 
> > a pending node as it registers (I admit i don't think anyone used this 
> > last several years, and it may be totally broken by now). 
> > 
> > please note this doesn't solve the need for a disk, just the 
> > auto-registration part (if it still works) 
> What I would like is to have the ovirt Node pxe booting and getting its 
> config from engine or autoregister. I know there is a script which 
> converts the iso into a huge pxeboot kernel but don't know how to solve 
> or if its solved the config part. 
> 
> @karli: 
> If you run your cluster in Memory Optimization=None then you won't need 
> swap. Have been doing that for years and haven't had a single problem 
> attributed to that. I just would like to have the choice, pxe boot the 
> node and know that you don't have swap. Run with disks if you really 
> need overprovisioning. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Joop 
> 
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