[ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning

Tue Sep 16 21:34:48 EDT 2014

Hi,

Also can add multiple ips to a single (VNIC) network interface...on Guest
VM...

Thanks,
Punit

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Daniel Helgenberger <
daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de> wrote:

>
> On 16.09.2014 16:20, Antoni Segura Puimedon wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Daniel Helgenberger" <daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de>
> >> To: "Itamar Heim" <iheim at redhat.com>, "Livnat Peer" <lpeer at redhat.com>
> >> Cc: users at ovirt.org
> >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 5:17:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning
> >>
> >>
> >> On 15.09.2014 15:23, Itamar Heim wrote:
> >>> On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote:
> >>>> Hello Livnat,
> >>>> On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote:
> >>>>> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>> +1 for the iso uploader,
> >>>>>> +1 for hostusb in UI
> >>>>>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top
> of my
> >>>>>> list is:
> >>>>>> - SR-IOV
> >>>>>> - NPV
> >>>>>> - VFIO
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to
> >>>>>> have the same hardware configuration anyway.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via
> >>>>> OpenVswitch (=OVS)?
> >>>>> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS.
> >>>> I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while
> plain
> >>>> ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe
> implementing
> >>>> other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing
> >>>> (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree
> >>>> ect. on my switches).
> >>>>
> >>>> I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those
> >>>> features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do
> not
> >>>> wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to
> run
> >>>> 'plain' oVirt?
> >>> that's why we added in 3.5 a standalone, pre-configured, neutron
> virtual
> >>> appliance so you won't need "all of openstack"?
> >> Witch is certainly nice to have. But this is not the point. IMHO storage
> >> and networking are core functions for a virtualization platform. And
> >> such a platform will need to reflect the the progress made in general
> >> and in particular by the hypervisor monitor (libvirt).
> >> I am no developer and can hardly estimate the coding effort and do not
> >> want you to redo already working things. But at least in case of Ceph
> >> there is the API from libvirt, this is true for all the other things I
> >> mentioned, in my naive view they are all variations of the hostusb hook.
> >> Certainly I can deploy OVS myself and manage it from CLI, witch is what
> >> I do now.
> >> Could you share how you set it up, i.e., how you map networks to ovs
> >> and everything that you configure? Depending on the size, making a
> >> vdsm configurator for it would not be that difficult (and the fine
> >> tunning could come with hooks).
> Hello Antoni,
> I see this was very misleading, sorry. With the phrase 'witch is what
> I do now' I literally meant 'right now' witch is not (yet) oVirt/vdsm
> but plain libvirt / virsh / virt-manager.
>
> Since libvirt supports OVS directly; I just use <virtualport
> type='openvswitch'/> in my network xml; then define VLANs and QoS with
> ovs-vsctl cli. So I am used to OVS management and the flexibility it
> offers.
> I was also trying to mangle things in oVirt - but I could not get OVS to
> work with oVirt managed bridges and gave up (since I cannot use such
> 'hacks' in production environments, company and my own policy).
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS: I hope I made myself clear in my last mails, OVS is not the 'killer'
> feature witch decides whatever I deploy oVirt or not. Linux bridge and
> libvirt network QoS are well tested. But I will surely miss some things
> later on I cannot do directly. What I do with it and what I use it
> currently for - please refer to my mail to Livnat.
>
> >
> >> But in the end, I would very much like to do this via one integrated
> >> GUI, this is why I deploy oVirt (witch I see as a open source
> >> counterpart to EXi. Esp.  the concept of one engine for management - but
> >> not critical for running my VMs.)
> >> Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted
> >> in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an
> >> external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business
> >> and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and
> >> not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal
> >> sledgehammer to crack a nut.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> <
> http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/to+take+a+sledgehammer+to+crack+a+nut.html
> >
> >>
> >>>> I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features
> as
> >>>> it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business.
> I
> >>>> did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle
> >>>> import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just'
> >>>> to get OVS?).
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch
> >>>> leaves room for expansion - later on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote:
> >>>>>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to
> see in
> >>>>>>> oVirt 3.6"?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>      Itamar
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