[ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning

Tue Sep 16 14:20:47 UTC 2014

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Helgenberger" <daniel.helgenberger at m-box.de>
> To: "Itamar Heim" <iheim at redhat.com>, "Livnat Peer" <lpeer at redhat.com>
> Cc: users at ovirt.org
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 5:17:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] [RFI] oVirt 3.6 Planning
> 
> 
> On 15.09.2014 15:23, Itamar Heim wrote:
> > On 09/15/2014 04:10 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote:
> >> Hello Livnat,
> >> On 15.09.2014 14:46, Livnat Peer wrote:
> >>> On 09/15/2014 03:15 PM, Daniel Helgenberger wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> +1 for the iso uploader,
> >>>> +1 for hostusb in UI
> >>>> +1 EL 7 (on the roadmap anyway?)
> >>>>
> >>>> With hostusb some more host-dev virtualization could be added. Top of my
> >>>> list is:
> >>>> - SR-IOV
> >>>> - NPV
> >>>> - VFIO
> >>>>
> >>>> These things could be handled on cluster level - hypervisors need to
> >>>> have the same hardware configuration anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, I think its time to add official support for OpenVswitch?
> >>>>
> >>> Are you looking for a specific functionality that is available via
> >>> OpenVswitch (=OVS)?
> >>> also we have the Neutron integration where we use OVS.
> >> I think its sufficient to say OVS is a 'real' modern switch while plain
> >> ol' linux bridge is not (so much any more). Of curse, maybe implementing
> >> other things like macvtap and / or SR-IOV achieves just the same thing
> >> (at least for me, as I then mange vlans/trunks and QoS, Spanning Tree
> >> ect. on my switches).
> >>
> >> I know you can point on OpenStack integration because you get those
> >> features for 'free' (see Ceph). But what about users like me who do not
> >> wish / can / should implement the whole OpenStack but rather want to run
> >> 'plain' oVirt?
> > that's why we added in 3.5 a standalone, pre-configured, neutron virtual
> > appliance so you won't need "all of openstack"?
> Witch is certainly nice to have. But this is not the point. IMHO storage
> and networking are core functions for a virtualization platform. And
> such a platform will need to reflect the the progress made in general
> and in particular by the hypervisor monitor (libvirt).
> I am no developer and can hardly estimate the coding effort and do not
> want you to redo already working things. But at least in case of Ceph
> there is the API from libvirt, this is true for all the other things I
> mentioned, in my naive view they are all variations of the hostusb hook.
> Certainly I can deploy OVS myself and manage it from CLI, witch is what
> I do now.

Could you share how you set it up, i.e., how you map networks to ovs
and everything that you configure? Depending on the size, making a
vdsm configurator for it would not be that difficult (and the fine
tunning could come with hooks).

> 
> But in the end, I would very much like to do this via one integrated
> GUI, this is why I deploy oVirt (witch I see as a open source
> counterpart to EXi. Esp.  the concept of one engine for management - but
> not critical for running my VMs.)
> Please allow me a 'heretic' question, will oVirt make itself obsoleted
> in the future because all of the core functionality is moved to an
> external provider? Is it better for my use case (small/medium business
> and not in the telco sector) to deploy OpenStack in the first place and
> not to use oVirt at all? ATM OpenStack seems to me like the literal
> sledgehammer to crack a nut.
> 
> Thanks,
> <http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/to+take+a+sledgehammer+to+crack+a+nut.html>
> 
> >
> >> I think this might not be a desirable way to add / modernize features as
> >> it creates a huge overhead (at least in my use case, medium business. I
> >> did this once for Glance 'just' to get a way to more easily handle
> >> import / export of image files, now I need to implement Neutron 'just'
> >> to get OVS?).
> >>
> >> Don't get me wrong - OpenStack integration is a wonderful thing witch
> >> leaves room for expansion - later on.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12.09.2014 14:23, Itamar Heim wrote:
> >>>>> With oVirt 3.5 nearing GA, time to ask for "what do you want to see in
> >>>>> oVirt 3.6"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>      Itamar
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> >>>>>
> >
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